Posted: 12/4/2008 9:46:13 PM EDT
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Please clear up this debate at work...(and for the record, this place of work is a police dept.)
Open carry is legal, but you have to have a permit, the same permit that you would need to conceal carry???? |
Thanks for link. I needed to educate one of my fellow officers about open carry. He was under the impression that you don't need a permit to open carry. He frequents this site often, so if you're reading this please don't let this be a factor on my next performance evaluation.....
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Thanks for link. I needed to educate one of my fellow officers about open carry. He was under the impression that you don't need a permit to open carry. He frequents this site often, so if you're reading this please don't let this be a factor on my next performance evaluation..... Hopefully, knowing the laws of the state wouldn't reflect poorly on you during evaluation. 16-11-128 criminalizes carry without a license (OC) 16-11-126 criminalizes concealed carry without a license |
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Thanks for link. I needed to educate one of my fellow officers about open carry. He was under the impression that you don't need a permit to open carry. He frequents this site often, so if you're reading this please don't let this be a factor on my next performance evaluation..... Hopefully, knowing the laws of the state wouldn't reflect poorly on you during evaluation. 16-11-128 criminalizes carry without a license (OC) 16-11-126 criminalizes concealed carry without a license I hope not....I was nice about it when I told him he was wrong... |
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Please clear up this debate at work...(and for the record, this place of work is a police dept.) Open carry is legal, but you have to have a permit, the same permit that you would need to conceal carry???? It always gives one a warm feeling to know that the local PD don't know the laws of the state they are supposed to be enforcing. |
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Please clear up this debate at work...(and for the record, this place of work is a police dept.) Open carry is legal, but you have to have a permit, the same permit that you would need to conceal carry???? It always gives one a warm feeling to know that the local PD don't know the laws of the state they are supposed to be enforcing. Take a look at the Georgia Code book, its un-Godly huge. There's no way anyone can know every single law |
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Please clear up this debate at work...(and for the record, this place of work is a police dept.) Open carry is legal, but you have to have a permit, the same permit that you would need to conceal carry???? It always gives one a warm feeling to know that the local PD don't know the laws of the state they are supposed to be enforcing. Take a look at the Georgia Code book, its un-Godly huge. There's no way anyone can know every single law And yet, ignorance is no excuse for breaking the law. Seems kind of contradictory, doesn't it? |
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Please clear up this debate at work...(and for the record, this place of work is a police dept.) Open carry is legal, but you have to have a permit, the same permit that you would need to conceal carry???? It always gives one a warm feeling to know that the local PD don't know the laws of the state they are supposed to be enforcing. Take a look at the Georgia Code book, its un-Godly huge. There's no way anyone can know every single law And yet, ignorance is no excuse for breaking the law. Seems kind of contradictory, doesn't it? In this case, the ingnorance of an officer benefits the one breaking the law. |
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Please clear up this debate at work...(and for the record, this place of work is a police dept.) Open carry is legal, but you have to have a permit, the same permit that you would need to conceal carry???? There is no permit in Georgia. It is a Georgia Firearms License. |
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Thanks for link. I needed to educate one of my fellow officers about open carry. He was under the impression that you don't need a permit to open carry. He frequents this site often, so if you're reading this please don't let this be a factor on my next performance evaluation..... I wish he was correct, and, in the majority of states (27, to be exact), he would be. Maybe one day this will be true in Georgia, again, like it was before 1910, when the Georgia General Assembly decided it did not want black people carrying pistols or revolvers any more. |
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Please clear up this debate at work...(and for the record, this place of work is a police dept.) Open carry is legal, but you have to have a permit, the same permit that you would need to conceal carry???? It always gives one a warm feeling to know that the local PD don't know the laws of the state they are supposed to be enforcing. Take a look at the Georgia Code book, its un-Godly huge. There's no way anyone can know every single law Officers are expected to know the usually encountered portions of Title 16 and title 40. Title 16, chapter 11, article 4 is one of those portions that should be known. |
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Please clear up this debate at work...(and for the record, this place of work is a police dept.) Open carry is legal, but you have to have a permit, the same permit that you would need to conceal carry???? It always gives one a warm feeling to know that the local PD don't know the laws of the state they are supposed to be enforcing. Take a look at the Georgia Code book, its un-Godly huge. There's no way anyone can know every single law Officers are expected to know the usually encountered portions of Title 16 and title 40. Title 16, chapter 11, article 4 is one of those portions that should be known. I personally know the law, he didn't. Now he does, you're safe now |
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Please clear up this debate at work...(and for the record, this place of work is a police dept.) Open carry is legal, but you have to have a permit, the same permit that you would need to conceal carry???? It always gives one a warm feeling to know that the local PD don't know the laws of the state they are supposed to be enforcing. Take a look at the Georgia Code book, its un-Godly huge. There's no way anyone can know every single law And yet, ignorance is no excuse for breaking the law. Seems kind of contradictory, doesn't it? In this case, the ingnorance of an officer benefits the one breaking the law. Not really. See somebody would ask that officer about the law and base their actions upon what he said. Then they get arrested by a officer that actually DID know the law and their in a world of hurt. Ignorance benefits nobody. |
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Please clear up this debate at work...(and for the record, this place of work is a police dept.) Open carry is legal, but you have to have a permit, the same permit that you would need to conceal carry???? It always gives one a warm feeling to know that the local PD don't know the laws of the state they are supposed to be enforcing. Take a look at the Georgia Code book, its un-Godly huge. There's no way anyone can know every single law And yet, ignorance is no excuse for breaking the law. Seems kind of contradictory, doesn't it? In this case, the ingnorance of an officer benefits the one breaking the law. Not really. See somebody would ask that officer about the law and base their actions upon what he said. Then they get arrested by a officer that actually DID know the law and their in a world of hurt. Ignorance benefits nobody. True...I did my part in telling him he was wrong, even though he's my supervisor! |
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OK lets tear into the guy because he didn’t know the law. I also wish every officer knew every law but that is a little bit ridicules. He did his part in trying too find out the correct information for himself and his fellow officer. Lets cut him some slack.
You ever seen all those big books in your doctor’s office? That’s because they cant remember everything and need to look stuff up in books. No body can remember it all. And yes I would be really pissed if I got arrested for something when I wasn’t even braking the law. But that’s when I call DKing. 
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OK lets tear into the guy because he didn’t know the law. I also wish every officer knew every law but that is a little bit ridicules. He did his part in trying too find out the correct information for himself and his fellow officer. Lets cut him some slack. You ever seen all those big books in your doctor’s office? That’s because they cant remember everything and need to look stuff up in books. No body can remember it all. And yes I would be really pissed if I got arrested for something when I wasn’t even braking the law. But that’s when I call DKing.
Yet you are required to know every law and obey them as a citizen. |
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OK lets tear into the guy because he didn’t know the law. I also wish every officer knew every law but that is a little bit ridicules. He did his part in trying too find out the correct information for himself and his fellow officer. Lets cut him some slack. You ever seen all those big books in your doctor’s office? That’s because they cant remember everything and need to look stuff up in books. No body can remember it all. And yes I would be really pissed if I got arrested for something when I wasn’t even braking the law. But that’s when I call DKing.
Yet you are required to know every law and obey them as a citizen. I agree with you 100%. It is not fair and the odds are stacked against us. But lets not blame that on this guy that is trying to improve his knowledge base so he can do a better job. That’s all I am saying. |
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JACE did the right thing, he requested the assistance in solving a legal issue so he could properly present it to a peer who was less knowledgeable in the field on open carry as it pertains to GA law..kudos to him. As for the supervisor, it isn't a good thing that he didn't know the answer but he has be brought up to speed on the most recent laws.
I can honestly tell you I have a good working knowledge of most of the laws, but it is absurd to say I know everything about every law on the books, I don't. We have had this debate over and over in here. As for the citizen being expected to know every law, no that's not correct either. Most of the people I arrest for ignorance of the law are for things like : Armed Robbery (didn't know I couldn't use a gun to take someone's money/property) Family Violence Offenses (didn't know I couldn't hit her) Marijuana Possession (well its legal in CA and I have cataracts) etc...you get the point. Most people know what they need to, and what they need to keep themselves outta jail. Is it a police officers duty to educate you on the law? I don't necessarily agree that it is. I have been asked questions by citizens before where I didn't have the answer immediately, so I researched it, called them and read the law verbatim from the code section. I am not perfect at everything I do, and I challenge anyone who says they are in their given profession! |
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I'm not bashing I'm pointing out that ignorance does not benefit anybody. Never has never will. He made the statement that it did. I pointed out why it was untrue. I agree with you completely on that one...I am just glad that JACE helped unfuck his supervisor...lol |
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I'm not bashing I'm pointing out that ignorance does not benefit anybody. Never has never will. He made the statement that it did. I pointed out why it was untrue. I agree with you completely on that one...I am just glad that JACE helped unfuck his supervisor...lol heheh, yes, and that can be a delicate matter based on rank. 
also, it is not the duty or responsibility of LEO's to educate on the law...only to ENFORCE it. as i have said before, we LEO's have no duty to speak the truth unless under oath on the stand. do not ask an LEO a question and rely on it any more than asking a stranger on the street. there are appropriate persons to consult for advice on the law. |
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OK lets tear into the guy because he didn’t know the law. I also wish every officer knew every law but that is a little bit ridicules. He did his part in trying too find out the correct information for himself and his fellow officer. Lets cut him some slack. You ever seen all those big books in your doctor’s office? That’s because they cant remember everything and need to look stuff up in books. No body can remember it all. And yes I would be really pissed if I got arrested for something when I wasn’t even braking the law. But that’s when I call DKing.
Yet you are required to know every law and obey them as a citizen. I agree with you 100%. It is not fair and the odds are stacked against us. But lets not blame that on this guy that is trying to improve his knowledge base so he can do a better job. That’s all I am saying. I am not blaming anyone. I am not bashing anyone. I am merely pointing out the reality of the situation. |
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I'm not bashing I'm pointing out that ignorance does not benefit anybody. Never has never will. He made the statement that it did. I pointed out why it was untrue. I agree with you completely on that one...I am just glad that JACE helped unfuck his supervisor...lol heheh, yes, and that can be a delicate matter based on rank. 
also, it is not the duty or responsibility of LEO's to educate on the law...only to ENFORCE it. as i have said before, we LEO's have no duty to speak the truth unless under oath on the stand. do not ask an LEO a question and rely on it any more than asking a stranger on the street. there are appropriate persons to consult for advice on the law. So you just pointed out to never trust a police officer unless they are in court under oath, How nice. |
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I'm not bashing I'm pointing out that ignorance does not benefit anybody. Never has never will. He made the statement that it did. I pointed out why it was untrue. I agree with you completely on that one...I am just glad that JACE helped unfuck his supervisor...lol heheh, yes, and that can be a delicate matter based on rank.
also, it is not the duty or responsibility of LEO's to educate on the law...only to ENFORCE it. as i have said before, we LEO's have no duty to speak the truth unless under oath on the stand. do not ask an LEO a question and rely on it any more than asking a stranger on the street. there are appropriate persons to consult for advice on the law. So you just pointed out to never trust a police officer unless they are in court under oath, How nice. Give it a rest man. Its obvious how you feel about LEO's. If you want to bash, take to the GD. |
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I am a Deputy and had no clue about the open carry law. Have you seen a GA code book lately? There is no way in hell any officer could know all that. The only thing I ask is that they don't arrest people if they don't know it. It is impossible to know every code section and it works both ways. "We the people" don't know it to follow and the officer don't know it to enforce it. |