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2/25/2008 7:51:49 PM EDT
OK, I have committed myself to SBR'ing and suppressing my 9mm AR.  What all do I need to do, and how long can I expect it to take?  Thanks!
2/25/2008 7:52:31 PM EDT
[#1]
Paging Bookhound & DKing (trust)...
2/25/2008 7:56:00 PM EDT
[#2]
I too have always been curious as to how this process works. I would like to do my .17
2/25/2008 8:03:35 PM EDT
[#3]
While I wouldn't be the best one to walk you through it, check these FAQ's...

www.politesocietyinc.com/cgi-bin/imcart/read.cgi?domain=politesocietyinc.com&sub=9

www.advanced-armament.com/owners.asp

Both local company's in ATL.


2/26/2008 4:08:37 AM EDT
[#4]
very helpful. So it looks like a trust is the way to go. But it said you can add people to a trust, does that mean you could add your dad or son and they could buy silencers? Anyway how much does it cost to set up trust and where/who should i go to. Thanks
2/26/2008 5:09:48 AM EDT
[#5]

Quoted:
very helpful. So it looks like a trust is the way to go. But it said you can add people to a trust, does that mean you could add your dad or son and they could buy silencers? Anyway how much does it cost to set up trust and where/who should i go to. Thanks


Good question. The trust owns the NFA item. The executor has rights to use it. Trustees/benficiaries can use it. My opinion is it would be a gray area for others to buy under the trust since it's typically called "The John Doe revocable living trust". That's what is on the form 4 as owner. If you're John Doe, your good to go, but if Harold Doe has a can owned by John Doe's trust, it might not be too kosher or easy to explain.


On the trust, buy Willmaker. I got mine on Ebay for around $20. It take all of 10 minutes, or 20 minutes when you get nervous about how it seems too easy. After you complete the trust, it'll need to be notorized, and after your complete your form 4, the item will need to be added to the schedule A to be under the trust. On Willmaker, use Revocable, since it can be modified after the fact to add more items or remove items. It will not need notarized after each item, or if you remove something. In fact, the nortay has no explicit right to see your schedule A. I'd advise keeping hush hush about what it's for.
2/26/2008 5:23:16 AM EDT
[#6]
An executor is only involved in a testamentary trust.  Can't imagine that an executor would ever come into play in a living trust.
2/26/2008 6:50:24 AM EDT
[#7]
With a Revocable Living Trust you can specify who (trustees) can do what with Trust assets.  I'm not the lawyer.  For more info you might want to ask DKing.  But I can tell you Willmaker does create an appropriate Trust for NFA items and you can later change most parts of the Trust (add/remove assets, trustees, etc.).

If you want to SBR a lower, you can do one of the following two:

1. Fill out a Form 1 and send to ATF.  Engrave your lower (you are now the manufacturer of the NFA item).  When the Form is approved you can now put on the short barrel.  Transfer tax is $200 for the Form 1.

2. Find an already SBRed lower and pay a $200 transfer fee to have it transferred to you.

Both ways cost $200.  One way requires you to engrave the lower.  Engraving must be to ATF specs.

Mark
2/26/2008 8:03:04 AM EDT
[#8]

Quoted:
With a Revocable Living Trust you can specify who (trustees) can do what with Trust assets.  I'm not the lawyer.  For more info you might want to ask DKing.  But I can tell you Willmaker does create an appropriate Trust for NFA items and you can later change most parts of the Trust (add/remove assets, trustees, etc.).

If you want to SBR a lower, you can do one of the following two:

1. Fill out a Form 1 and send to ATF.  Engrave your lower (you are now the manufacturer of the NFA item).  When the Form is approved you can now put on the short barrel.  Transfer tax is $200 for the Form 1.

2. Find an already SBRed lower and pay a $200 transfer fee to have it transferred to you.

Both ways cost $200.  One way requires you to engrave the lower.  Engraving must be to ATF specs.

Mark


Who can engrave a carbon15 lower?
2/26/2008 8:44:54 AM EDT
[#9]
Carbon 15?  I couldn't tell you.  That is the biggest problem with having receivers engraved - finding someone who can do it to spec.

Mark
2/26/2008 1:47:23 PM EDT
[#10]
OK, I am a little confused.  What's the benefit or using a trust?
2/26/2008 2:09:53 PM EDT
[#11]

Quoted:
OK, I am a little confused.  What's the benefit or using a trust?



Primary reasons for using the Revocable Living Trust:
1. No Fingerprint Cards needed.
2. No Passport Photos needed.
3. No CLEO Signoff needed.


Other reasons:
1. List other people on the Trust, such as a spouse or other family member, so that they can have access to the NFA item.
2/26/2008 2:17:11 PM EDT
[#12]
Sounds pretty good.  Are there any drawbacks to using a trust?
2/26/2008 2:19:14 PM EDT
[#13]

Quoted:
Sounds pretty good.  Are there any drawbacks to using a trust?



It might become a problem if you were to move to another state.
2/26/2008 2:22:21 PM EDT
[#14]
This thread makes the wee-people happy.


2/26/2008 5:00:30 PM EDT
[#15]

Quoted:
Carbon 15?  I couldn't tell you.  That is the biggest problem with having receivers engraved - finding someone who can do it to spec.

Mark



Bookhound
what are the specs for the engraving??
2/26/2008 6:20:05 PM EDT
[#16]

Quoted:
what are the specs for the engraving??



I believe the requirements are a minimum depth of .003 inch and print size no smaller
than 1/16 inch.
2/26/2008 6:25:50 PM EDT
[#17]
7.4.1 Serial numbers. Each manufacturer of a firearm must legibly identify it by engraving, stamping
(impressing), or otherwise conspicuously placing on the firearm’s frame or receiver an individual serial
number not duplicating any serial number placed by the manufacturer on any other firearm.120 The
requirement that the marking be “conspicuously” placed on the firearm means that the marking must be
wholly unobstructed from plain view. For firearms manufactured on or after January 30, 2002, the serial
number must be to a minimum depth of .003 inch and in a print size no smaller than 1/16 inch.
3/4/2008 2:46:45 PM EDT
[#18]
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Quoted:
With a Revocable Living Trust you can specify who (trustees) can do what with Trust assets.  I'm not the lawyer.  For more info you might want to ask DKing.  But I can tell you Willmaker does create an appropriate Trust for NFA items and you can later change most parts of the Trust (add/remove assets, trustees, etc.).

If you want to SBR a lower, you can do one of the following two:

1. Fill out a Form 1 and send to ATF.  Engrave your lower (you are now the manufacturer of the NFA item).  When the Form is approved you can now put on the short barrel.  Transfer tax is $200 for the Form 1.

2. Find an already SBRed lower and pay a $200 transfer fee to have it transferred to you.

Both ways cost $200.  One way requires you to engrave the lower.  Engraving must be to ATF specs.

Mark


Email inbound
3/4/2008 5:09:34 PM EDT
[#19]
Hope that e-mail answers your questions.

Mark