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8/19/2007 10:44:34 AM EDT
I'm looking at an H&K P7 (squeeze-cocker). Cost is about $650.

Up sides. I've shot one and the trigger is amazing. I didn't find the squeeze to be cumbersome and accuracy was more then acceptable. It's light weight and unique.

Downsides. It's a 9mm so I won't carry it. (Sorry 9mm guys too many crime scene photos). Also...(What else?)

8/19/2007 11:17:38 AM EDT
[#1]
It has heat issues.

The gun is TOO HOT TO HOLD WITHOUT GLOVES after a few quick magazines.

That along with the 8 round magazine was a deal killer for me...
8/19/2007 11:31:28 AM EDT
[#2]
The heat issues stem from the anti-blowback piston being situated right above the trigger.  Newer models (basically all of them for the last couple decades at least) have a plastic heat shield.  It helps, but yes, it still gets hot.

Still, you'll be able to sustain fire for at least several magazines, plenty for whatever you might be carrying, should you decide to do so.

Also on the upside:

* Completely ambidextrous
* If you drop it, it's safe before it leaves your hand
* No tilt barrel, so if you get it refit for a threaded, a sound suppressor will not need a recoil booster
* It will function without an extractor
* You can easily take out the firing pin for storage, if there's any question about security
* Most people will have no idea what to do with one, should it be taken from you
* It's quite happy with +p+ ammo, of course in moderation.


On the downside:

* The design makes it about impossible to scale up to larger calibers, without it turning into a hugenormous brick of steel.  There were some made in .40, but the .45 was easily as big as a USP Tactical, minus plastic weight savings, and with only 7 rounds.


Interesting side info:

* A lot of them look sort of purple under the right light.  Just the way some batches of the park came out.


I love mine, and I'm thinking of getting it set for jogging/walking carry, instead of the current S&W revolver I'm packing.
8/19/2007 12:26:51 PM EDT
[#3]
If it's in good shape, 650 is a hell of a deal considering I paid 800 for mine several years ago (now it's gone )

If I could come across another one for a price like this, I would pick it up for a full time carry gun. I won't start the whole caliber debate, but it is an extremely good carry gun.

Plus, even if someone WERE to get it away from you, the question mark look on their face would be priceless while they figure out how to use the thing.
8/19/2007 12:32:56 PM EDT
[#4]
I don't buy into that. I'd never seen one before a few weeks ago. The owner let me shoot it and I got the first shot off instantly without any questions. Course I've always been a gorilla grip shooter. In a high adrenaline situation i think most people would be squeezing the heck out anything they took away from me anyway.

I just find it interesting. That price is an advertised price from a national retailer...
8/19/2007 12:48:13 PM EDT
[#5]
Not to get on an ammo debate but pack extreme shock...9mm x-shock will drop anything...DRT.  That stuff is the best frag ammo going and no over pen- issues.  Nasty nasty wound channel....It'll make you re-think the whole 9mm debate.  

The P7 is ok but I think I'd rather carry a P2000SK if you hell bent on an H&K.

8/19/2007 4:42:34 PM EDT
[#6]

Quoted:
Not to get on an ammo debate but pack extreme shock...9mm x-shock will drop anything...DRT.  That stuff is the best frag ammo going and no over pen- issues.  Nasty nasty wound channel....It'll make you re-think the whole 9mm debate.  

The P7 is ok but I think I'd rather carry a P2000SK if you hell bent on an H&K.



please tell me your not talking about this type of ammo....


8/19/2007 4:47:47 PM EDT
[#7]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Not to get on an ammo debate but pack extreme shock...9mm x-shock will drop anything...DRT.  That stuff is the best frag ammo going and no over pen- issues.  Nasty nasty wound channel....It'll make you re-think the whole 9mm debate.  

The P7 is ok but I think I'd rather carry a P2000SK if you hell bent on an H&K.



please tell me your not talking about this type of ammo....


www.extremeshockusa.com/gfx_splash/top_2.jpg


The White guy photoshopped Black always cracks me up...

8/19/2007 4:56:03 PM EDT
[#8]
Yeah, I just rethought the whole thing.
8/19/2007 5:24:08 PM EDT
[#9]

Quoted:
Not to get on an ammo debate but pack extreme shock...9mm x-shock will drop anything...DRT.  That stuff is the best frag ammo going and no over pen- issues.  Nasty nasty wound channel....It'll make you re-think the whole 9mm debate.  


Step away from the computer Lad, I think Mom wants you to take out the trash before you get ready for school tomorrow.

Stupid fucking statements like that are just that-stupid. I'll bet the reason Police Departments and others who know don't make use of the stuff is because "it causes so much damage".

"Drop anything, DRT"-that's a gem of a statement.......
8/19/2007 5:29:10 PM EDT
[#10]
Easy there lawman it's just ammo. It's not like it's a life or death decision.

.177 pellets are what all the snipers use I'll stick with that.

just looking at that ad hurts my eyes.
8/20/2007 2:55:35 AM EDT
[#11]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:
Not to get on an ammo debate but pack extreme shock...9mm x-shock will drop anything...DRT.  That stuff is the best frag ammo going and no over pen- issues.  Nasty nasty wound channel....It'll make you re-think the whole 9mm debate.  

The P7 is ok but I think I'd rather carry a P2000SK if you hell bent on an H&K.



please tell me your not talking about this type of ammo....


www.extremeshockusa.com/gfx_splash/top_2.jpg


The White guy photoshopped Black always cracks me up...



Somebody forgot to shop his hands.  That's funny.
8/20/2007 5:02:48 AM EDT
[#12]

Quoted:
I thought it was the cover to a new rap cd or something...


I thought it was an ad for the newest power rangers "RICO" squad
8/20/2007 12:06:20 PM EDT
[#13]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Not to get on an ammo debate but pack extreme shock...9mm x-shock will drop anything...DRT.  That stuff is the best frag ammo going and no over pen- issues.  Nasty nasty wound channel....It'll make you re-think the whole 9mm debate.  


Step away from the computer Lad, I think Mom wants you to take out the trash before you get ready for school tomorrow.

Stupid fucking statements like that are just that-stupid. I'll bet the reason Police Departments and others who know don't make use of the stuff is because "it causes so much damage".

"Drop anything, DRT"-that's a gem of a statement.......


I'm a 32 Year old cop and not a kid.  It's not a stupid statement.  It's great ammo.  The next time you decide to open your cock holster RE-THINK IT.  If you have a beef with me send an IM.  I'll be more than happy to settle it for you.
8/20/2007 12:18:17 PM EDT
[#14]

Quoted:
I'm a 32 Year old cop and not a kid.  It's not a stupid statement.  It's great ammo.  The next time you decide to open your cock holster RE-THINK IT.  If you have a beef with me send an IM.  I'll be more than happy to settle it for you.



Making a statement like "9mm x-shock will drop anything....DRT" is very stupid-as a cop, you should know that. Making a statement like that when there are so many variables to getting someone DRT is reminiscent of a high school kid who's read too many gun magazines, which is why I made the initial statement. If you've got a problem with that-oh frigging well.

I'm 32y/o, a cop and a combat veteran myself, so save the settling for someone who gives a crap. For the record, I don't have a problem with the 9mm myself and don't need any super duper ammo with cheesy advertisements to change any opinions.
8/20/2007 12:25:51 PM EDT
[#15]

Quoted:
I'm a 32 Year old cop and not a kid.  It's not a stupid statement.  It's great ammo.  The next time you decide to open your cock holster RE-THINK IT.  If you have a beef with me send an IM.  I'll be more than happy to settle it for you.


wow, your e-penis is huge.
8/20/2007 12:27:37 PM EDT
[#16]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:
Not to get on an ammo debate but pack extreme shock...9mm x-shock will drop anything...DRT.  That stuff is the best frag ammo going and no over pen- issues.  Nasty nasty wound channel....It'll make you re-think the whole 9mm debate.  


Step away from the computer Lad, I think Mom wants you to take out the trash before you get ready for school tomorrow.

Stupid fucking statements like that are just that-stupid. I'll bet the reason Police Departments and others who know don't make use of the stuff is because "it causes so much damage".

"Drop anything, DRT"-that's a gem of a statement.......


I'm a 32 Year old cop and not a kid.  It's not a stupid statement.  It's great ammo.  The next time you decide to open your cock holster RE-THINK IT.  If you have a beef with me send an IM.  I'll be more than happy to settle it for you.


www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot23.htm


8/20/2007 2:12:34 PM EDT
[#17]

Quoted:

Quoted:
I'm a 32 Year old cop and not a kid.  It's not a stupid statement.  It's great ammo.  The next time you decide to open your cock holster RE-THINK IT.  If you have a beef with me send an IM.  I'll be more than happy to settle it for you.


wow, your e-penis is huge.


8/20/2007 3:41:02 PM EDT
[#18]
I ask a simple H&K question and the cops turn it into an obscenity case. Do people with big e-penises need 9mm H&K's?
8/20/2007 8:27:31 PM EDT
[#19]

Quoted:
I ask a simple H&K question and the cops turn it into an obscenity case. Do people with big e-penises need 9mm H&K's?



I thought that they are professional enough for....oh hell what are those damn things called again.......

crock,  


block


smock,



dock


oh yeah glock.



Oh I remember now,  a glock fawty.


Aw hell german, austrian.  what ever.  




Just kidding.


8/21/2007 7:41:25 AM EDT
[#20]

Quoted:
I ask a simple H&K question and the cops turn it into an obscenity case. Do people with big e-penises need 9mm H&K's?


Hey, while I'm a hands on kind of guy (don't worry, I wash my hands before shaking hands)-I didn't mention anything about e-penises
8/21/2007 9:57:34 AM EDT
[#21]
Dking - Bullseye in Lville had them in stock as well.
8/21/2007 6:09:28 PM EDT
[#22]
I had the chance to fire one at a local IDPA match a few months ago. I liked it enough to buy one for myself. Trigger, recoil, and overall feel was a big suprise. It shoots much better than it looks.  The only down side was mags. I bought two off gunbroker for around 95 shipped in almost new condition.  That being said it'll be a safe queen for my son due end of Oct.
8/21/2007 6:24:03 PM EDT
[#23]
CDNN Mags $54 Midwayusa $52 I'm floored.
8/23/2007 4:57:45 PM EDT
[#24]

Quoted:
CDNN Mags $54 Midwayusa $52 I'm floored.


You looking at a P7M8 thats the one I had.  And thats why I only got one mag

the PSP that it sounds like your looking at is abit diffrent, but much though.  Its mags are closer to $35


If its a P7M8 in that ~$600 pricerange, grab it and run
8/23/2007 5:27:19 PM EDT
[#25]
It was a psp but I no longer have funds for a gun purchase.
8/23/2007 6:23:45 PM EDT
[#26]

Quoted:
It was a psp but I no longer have funds for a gun purchase.


Im waiting to find one thats easy to pickup.  Not that I need it, just for the hell of it
8/24/2007 9:34:17 AM EDT
[#27]
If you get a P7, are you going to grow the beard and go around as Hans Gruber?
8/24/2007 9:43:45 AM EDT
[#28]

Quoted:
If you get a P7, are you going to grow the beard and go around as Hans Gruber?



Yipee-Ki-A Matha Facka....
8/24/2007 10:45:49 AM EDT
[#29]
I already have a Alan Rickman-esque goatee. That man is a fabulous actor. Quigley Down Under, Harry Potter, Galaxy Quest...
8/24/2007 11:43:27 AM EDT
[#30]

Quoted:
I already have a Alan Rickman-esque goatee. That man is a fabulous actor. Quigley Down Under, Harry Potter, Galaxy Quest...


Galaxy Quest is funny..."Miners, not MINORS".

Oh yeah, P7s are cool. (Does that qualify as not hijacking?)
8/24/2007 5:26:57 PM EDT
[#31]
Certainly not! I quote that line often. Great movie.


Does the rolling help?