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5/14/2014 4:32:37 PM EDT
Do you have to bring the course completion certificate when you renew?

One place says yes and another says no.

This is for Wake County.

Thanks
5/14/2014 4:53:53 PM EDT
[#1]
The answer is NO but what do you mean by "one place says yes and the other says no?"
5/14/2014 4:57:17 PM EDT
[#2]
Check out "SHERIFF USE ONLY item #4.

NC DOJ CWP Application

Course it is Wake County. I'm not a lawyer but I'd say you don't need the certificate for renewal unless you get some liberal who doesn't know (or care) about the law.
5/14/2014 4:59:11 PM EDT
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The answer is NO but what do you mean by "one place says yes and the other says no?"
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Might be that they take applications and renewals in multiple locations throughout the county. I know mine does.
5/14/2014 5:01:24 PM EDT
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Do you have the certificate? In Meck Co they take the original when the permit is initially issued (and luckily I knew that ahead if time and made a copy).
5/14/2014 5:26:34 PM EDT
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Well the problem is that the "Renewal Application Packet" says to bring
"ORIGINAL certificate of completion of approved firearms safety course"

One of the pages on the wakegov website says
"Note: A certificate is not required for renewals"

And of course the reason I'm asking this is I do not have said certificate.

I have a large envelope marked concealed carry, so I thought it was in there but my mistake, it wasn't.
Unfortunately I waited until the last minute to find this out.  

Thanks for the answers guys!

I will find out what they say the correct answer is tomorrow at 9:45.
5/15/2014 5:21:42 AM EDT
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It used to be required.  Chances are, forms were not updated.  They removed that requirement a few years back.
5/15/2014 7:24:19 AM EDT
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In for your results. I was going to say, I hope it isn't, because the Sheriff's Dept kept my certificate when I got my permit. Mine is expiring in about 5 months.



You guys who have renewed their permits, did you get the letter in the mail telling you it was expiring and to come in to renew, or did you just go in to do the renewal? I've heard both ways.
5/15/2014 7:37:29 AM EDT
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Success!

She ask for my drivers license and Concealed Handgun Permit(card), I signed some papers, addressed the envelope for them to send me the card and was out the door in 5 minutes.

Answering an above question.  I got a card from the sheriff about 4 months before expiration advising me that the CHP was expiring and where I needed to go on line to start the renewal process.  Actually I got two cards for some reason.  Filled out the forms on line and paid $81.  Got a confirmation email and then scheduled the appointment on line.  Other than the confusing email everything was easy.  Driving and parking in downtown Raleigh was the hardest part!.

Thanks for the help everyone.
5/16/2014 4:38:30 AM EDT
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In for your results. I was going to say, I hope it isn't, because the Sheriff's Dept kept my certificate when I got my permit. Mine is expiring in about 5 months.

You guys who have renewed their permits, did you get the letter in the mail telling you it was expiring and to come in to renew, or did you just go in to do the renewal? I've heard both ways.
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I got a letter in the mail here in Duplin County.  Just filled out the paperwork, had it notarized and met with the clerk on Wednesday. Should have a new one in less than 45 days.

When I did my original permit they made a copy of my certificate. Didn't need it this time.
5/16/2014 7:24:24 AM EDT
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In for your results. I was going to say, I hope it isn't, because the Sheriff's Dept kept my certificate when I got my permit. Mine is expiring in about 5 months.

You guys who have renewed their permits, did you get the letter in the mail telling you it was expiring and to come in to renew, or did you just go in to do the renewal? I've heard both ways.
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Yes I got a letter from the Sheriff that my permit was getting reading to expire and I no longer have my course cert. as the Sheriff keep it when they issued my permit. By law the sheriff is suppose to send you a renewal letter at least 45 days before your permit expires.  

§ 14-415.16.  Renewal of permit.

(a)        At least 45 days prior to the expiration date of a permit, the sheriff of the county where the permit was issued shall send a written notice to the permittee explaining that the permit is about to expire and including information about the requirements for renewal of the permit. The notice shall be sent by first class mail to the last known address of the permittee.
Failure to receive a renewal notice shall not relieve a permittee of requirements imposed in this section for renewal of the permit.

(b)        The holder of a permit shall apply to renew the permit within the 90-day period prior to its expiration date by filing with the sheriff of the county in which the person resides a renewal form provided by the sheriff's office, an affidavit stating that the permittee remains qualified under the criteria provided in this Article, a newly administered full set of the permittee's fingerprints, and a renewal fee.

(c)        Upon receipt of the completed renewal application and the appropriate payment of fees, the sheriff shall determine if the permittee remains qualified to hold a permit in accordance with the provisions of G.S. 14-415.12. The permittee's criminal history shall be updated, including with another inquiry of the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS), and the sheriff may waive the requirement of taking another firearms safety and training course. If the permittee applies for a renewal of the permit within the 90-day period prior to its expiration date and if the permittee remains qualified to have a permit under G.S. 14-415.12, the sheriff shall renew the permit. The permit of a permittee who complies with this section shall remain valid beyond the expiration date of the permit until the permittee either receives a renewal permit or is denied a renewal permit by the sheriff.

(d)        No fingerprints shall be required for a renewal permit if the applicant's fingerprints were submitted to the State Bureau of Investigation after June 30, 2001, on the Automated Fingerprint Information System (AFIS) as prescribed by the State Bureau of Investigation.

(e)        If the permittee does not apply to renew the permit prior to its expiration date, but does apply to renew the permit within 60 days after the permit expires, the sheriff may waive the requirement of taking another firearms safety and training course. This subsection does not extend the expiration date of the permit.  (1995, c. 398, s. 1; c. 507, s. 22.2(b); 2000-140, s. 103; 2000-191, s. 1; 2009-307, s. 1; 2011-268, s. 18.)
5/17/2014 7:29:06 AM EDT
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§ 14-415.16. Renewal of permit.

(a) At least 45 days prior to the expiration date of a permit, the sheriff of the county where the permit was issued shall send a written notice to the permittee explaining that the permit is about to expire and including information about the requirements for renewal of the permit. The notice shall be sent by first class mail to the last known address of the permittee. Failure to receive a renewal notice shall not relieve a permittee of requirements imposed in this section for renewal of the permit.
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That means it's still your fault if you don't get a notice.  They don't penalize the sheriff because it's an unfunded mandate.  I didn't get a renewal notice, nor did my wife.
5/17/2014 8:51:31 AM EDT
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That means it's still your fault if you don't get a notice.  They don't penalize the sheriff because it's an unfunded mandate.  I didn't get a renewal notice, nor did my wife.
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§ 14-415.16. Renewal of permit.

(a) At least 45 days prior to the expiration date of a permit, the sheriff of the county where the permit was issued shall send a written notice to the permittee explaining that the permit is about to expire and including information about the requirements for renewal of the permit. The notice shall be sent by first class mail to the last known address of the permittee. Failure to receive a renewal notice shall not relieve a permittee of requirements imposed in this section for renewal of the permit.


That means it's still your fault if you don't get a notice.  They don't penalize the sheriff because it's an unfunded mandate.  I didn't get a renewal notice, nor did my wife.



Actually it is funded per statute 14-415.19 Fees

If you look where it says  "The remaining thirty-five dollars ($35.00) of each application or renewal fee shall be used by the sheriff to pay the costs of administering this Article and for other law enforcement purposes. The county shall expend the restricted funds for these purposes only."

The reason it's not a strike against the sheriff is the final responsibility for getting you the notice is that of the Post Office since the method of notice is first class mail.

This doesn't mean that every sheriff is following the requirements of the statutes but it does give them an out if the Post Office loses your notice.
5/17/2014 10:39:34 AM EDT
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My issue with the Meck Co SO (and this may be uniform statewide) is the postcards that are sent out. Zero privacy considerations given. I know for notification that CHP was ready to be picked up was a simple card like this:



I know I've posted that before. Can't remember if I got a renewal notice or not, but it would've been similar.

My other complaint is we received that notice postmarked somewhere around 2/22. When she picked up the permit, it was dated 1/9. Haven't dealt with the new online option, yet...so we'll see how that goes in a couple years (and a new sheriff).
5/17/2014 11:31:42 AM EDT
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I got an actual letter from the Ashe sheriff's office and it came like 3 months before my permit expired.
5/17/2014 2:08:49 PM EDT
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Oh, didn't read that  first.
5/22/2014 2:46:03 PM EDT
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Coincidentally, I got the letter today telling me my permit is expiring. Iredell sent a nice packet with a cover letter and all the forms, so all I have to do is fill them out, get them notarized, and drop them off. Pretty slick
6/17/2014 10:15:17 AM EDT
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Just to close the loop on this:

On line application filed 4/28

Appointment at Sheriff's office 5/15

Received Permit 6/17

I'm in Wake County

6/17/2014 4:53:57 PM EDT
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It used to be required.  Chances are, forms were not updated.  They removed that requirement a few years back.
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I've never seen that, especially since you submit the course certificate when you apply...  Was this before 2004?
6/17/2014 4:54:41 PM EDT
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In for your results. I was going to say, I hope it isn't, because the Sheriff's Dept kept my certificate when I got my permit. Mine is expiring in about 5 months.


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You guys who have renewed their permits, did you get the letter in the mail telling you it was expiring and to come in to renew, or did you just go in to do the renewal? I've heard both ways.




 
Gotten a letter.  Both times.
6/20/2014 6:09:24 AM EDT
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Coincidentally, I got the letter today telling me my permit is expiring. Iredell sent a nice packet with a cover letter and all the forms, so all I have to do is fill them out, get them notarized, and drop them off. Pretty slick
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I'll close my loop also, just got the call this morning that my permit was ready for pickup, 3.5 week turnaround time; impressively quick.

 
6/30/2014 3:11:42 PM EDT
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Dropped off my renewal on 5/14, got the call on Friday 6/28, picked it up today as my current expired.