NFA in NC. (Page 3 of 5)
| My M10/45 was approved on 2/14/2013. I had a MG permit from my sheriff though, so I can't offer any fresh input on the process of getting a MG in NC without a permit from the sheriff. By the time I can afford another I'll probably be living in Missouri though. |
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Originally Posted By ramairthree:
So this was without any reference to the MG permit thing here in NC that is gone according to the letter by Dana Pickles?
I am very impressed. 5320.20 for MG for permanent change of address mailed the 5th Signed the 11th Back on the 19th |
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Originally Posted By KVegasAK:
Originally Posted By ramairthree:
So this was without any reference to the MG permit thing here in NC that is gone according to the letter by Dana Pickles?
I am very impressed. 5320.20 for MG for permanent change of address mailed the 5th Signed the 11th Back on the 19th I hope so, that is the impression I got. That would be fantastic news for NC folks in less than friendly NFA counties. |
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Originally Posted By KVegasAK:
Originally Posted By ramairthree:
So this was without any reference to the MG permit thing here in NC that is gone according to the letter by Dana Pickles?
I am very impressed. 5320.20 for MG for permanent change of address mailed the 5th Signed the 11th Back on the 19th Correct. NC is one state I may become a permanent resident of. I wanted to make sure I was good to go. |
| im about to submit my SBR paperwork and need to make sure that i have my ducks in a row. i am from onslow county and had my sherriff sign two copies of my form 1, and i used examples to help fill it out and i think that i am good there. i am looking for somewhere to do my engraving and need to have it done in the next few weeks if possible. i have my two pictures and i am going to get fingerprinted tomorrow (how many copies do i need) and then will send the package off. I have heard to either send it to WV or GA and was wondering which was best? any further help is greatly appreciated and if i missed something please let me know. |
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read in the armory/class 3 forum, need 2x copies of fingerprints, (get more since you will want another) The NFA Branch’s address in Martinsburg, W.Va. for all correspondence EXCEPT Form 4's is: Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives National Firearms Act Branch 244 Needy Road Martinsburg, West Virginia 25405 I suggest you read the faq there |
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Ok, I've read all 5 pages but still a bit unclear on one point:
If my CLEO will not sign (form 1 for SBR), is it legal to circumvent the state system by using a trust? I know I can go the trust route but its been brought up that certain items may be legal in Federal law but illegal at a state law (example: 30 rnd mags in NY, MASS, etc.). |
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Originally Posted By Armatus:
Ok, I've read all 5 pages but still a bit unclear on one point: If my CLEO will not sign (form 1 for SBR), is it legal to circumvent the state system by using a trust? I know I can go the trust route but its been brought up that certain items may be legal in Federal law but illegal at a state law (example: 30 rnd mags in NY, MASS, etc.). |
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Originally Posted By Armatus:
Ok, I've read all 5 pages but still a bit unclear on one point: If my CLEO will not sign (form 1 for SBR), is it legal to circumvent the state system by using a trust? I know I can go the trust route but its been brought up that certain items may be legal in Federal law but illegal at a state law (example: 30 rnd mags in NY, MASS, etc.). |
| I would like to start building an SBR soon. While it may take a while, since it's a long term project, I can get the lower set up and build from there. I currently live in Wake County, which means not sheriff signature. Setting up a trust will take longer and costs more. It's something I would do later when funds are more stable and I want to put all my guns in a trust for the future. I know it is a long shot, but does anybody know if the Cary PD chief will sign? I doubt they have even seen an attempt, since most people only think of sheriff signatures. Please PM me with any responses, as a public statement rarely helps the situation. |
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Originally Posted By kmc123:
What lawyer would you guys recommend for a firearms trust in NC? Another member on here recommended John M. Friguglietti, Jr. who is in the Lake Norman area. No experience with him personally but I plan on calling him asap http://gunrightsattorneys.com/john-m-friguglietti-jr-p-a-north-carolina-permit-denial-attorney-north-carolina-firearms-lawyer-north-carolina-criminal-defense-attorney-north-carolina-civil-litigation-attorney/ |
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Originally Posted By Range_Officer:
Anyone able to PM me their experience getting the Chatham County Sheriff to sign for an NFA item? No PM, that info should be public., I don't have an answer for you as I'm now working on a trust to register an SBR lower and start shopping for a can. Anyway, A good friend of mine is a deputy with the Sheriff's Office and a gun guy (He has a part time job teaching and working with a new gun dealer in Chatham). The word I got from inside the department is that the sheriff does NOT sign off on anything. I cant vouch for the accuracy of the story, but the story goes that someone tried registering something a while back and Roy Cooper told the Sheriff that the Sheriff could be personally responsible if he signed off on an NFA item and that item was ever used in a crime :/ utter bullshit, but that's the back story I was told. Your best bet is to go the trust route, which doesn't need the Sheriff's sign off. |
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Originally Posted By BlackOps_1:
pm sent Originally Posted By BlackOps_1:
Originally Posted By RebelAR-15:
Thinking of going the SBR route. Does anyone know if the sherrif of Forsyth County will sign? pm sent Will he sign for a can? |
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| Hey guys. So I'm finally graduating from WCU and was wanting to celebrate by building a MK18 clone. Does anyone have any leads on a good attorney to use in the western/foothills area to set up a trust? Or possibly any good lawyers that I could set up one online with? Thanks. |
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Originally Posted By alphajaguars:
Will he sign for a can? Originally Posted By alphajaguars:
Originally Posted By BlackOps_1:
Originally Posted By RebelAR-15:
Thinking of going the SBR route. Does anyone know if the sherrif of Forsyth County will sign? pm sent Will he sign for a can? Schatzman won't sign for anything, last time I checked. I doubt he's changed his stance, even in light of recent legislation. I hope I'm wrong. |
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Originally Posted By golfroot:
Schatzman won't sign for anything, last time I checked. I doubt he's changed his stance, even in light of recent legislation. I hope I'm wrong. Originally Posted By golfroot:
Originally Posted By alphajaguars:
Originally Posted By BlackOps_1:
Originally Posted By RebelAR-15:
Thinking of going the SBR route. Does anyone know if the sherrif of Forsyth County will sign? pm sent Will he sign for a can? Schatzman won't sign for anything, last time I checked. I doubt he's changed his stance, even in light of recent legislation. I hope I'm wrong. What an asshole. 
Can someone pm the name of who I can get to sign for a can in Forsyth Co? |
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Originally Posted By alphajaguars:
What an asshole.
Can someone pm the name of who I can get to sign for a can in Forsyth Co? Originally Posted By alphajaguars:
Originally Posted By golfroot:
Originally Posted By alphajaguars:
Originally Posted By BlackOps_1:
Originally Posted By RebelAR-15:
Thinking of going the SBR route. Does anyone know if the sherrif of Forsyth County will sign? pm sent Will he sign for a can? Schatzman won't sign for anything, last time I checked. I doubt he's changed his stance, even in light of recent legislation. I hope I'm wrong. What an asshole.
Can someone pm the name of who I can get to sign for a can in Forsyth Co? Anyone? |
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Originally Posted By golfroot:
I'm still an asshole and Schatzman still won't sign off. Go the Trust route. Originally Posted By golfroot:
Originally Posted By alphajaguars:
Anyone? I'm still an asshole and Schatzman still won't sign off. Go the Trust route. Schatzman is the only one who can sign for suppressors? Fuck that dick.
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Since I bought a single NFA gun 20 years ago and did an approval for a state move with it,
a buddy considers me an expert. That is not the case. He wants to know if I have ever bought from Silencer Shop (nope, I have not) and who a good SOT/Class 3 guy near Fort Bragg that is currently doing transfers is and how much. (I have no idea, never even bought a gun there) Anyone here that can provide the information? Thank you. |
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Originally Posted By ramairthree:
Since I bought a single NFA gun 20 years ago and did an approval for a state move with it, a buddy considers me an expert. That is not the case. He wants to know if I have ever bought from Silencer Shop (nope, I have not) and who a good SOT/Class 3 guy near Fort Bragg that is currently doing transfers is and how much. (I have no idea, never even bought a gun there) Anyone here that can provide the information? Thank you. I bought a can from Silencer Shop. Very easy transaction. I had it transferred to NC Silencer. Then, I bought my next one directly from NC Silencer. Hank and Eric are extremely helpful. You don't have to live near them, everything can be handled over the phone, online and through the mail. |
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Originally Posted By Landric:
Any CLEO that has jurisdiction where you live can sign. That means the sheriff of your county, the DA of your judicial district, a judge in your judicial district, or a chief of police of a city or town where you live. If you live outside the PDs jurisdiction (1+ mile outside the city limits) then the chief of the PD cannot sign. The only NFA item that is "sheriff only" is a machinegun. That is because NC law requires a permit from the sheriff for a machinegun (or at least it did, and the NFA branch has not revised its opinion on that since the law change on 12/01/2011). Originally Posted By Landric:
Originally Posted By doubleshot00:
Originally Posted By rcassettyjr:
Anyone know if the Sheriff of Brunswick county will sign? I was told by a local shop he wont sign but i never have tried to ask. I too am intrested in building a sbr but this is my hurdle in my way. I dont want to go the trust route. Any CLEO that has jurisdiction where you live can sign. That means the sheriff of your county, the DA of your judicial district, a judge in your judicial district, or a chief of police of a city or town where you live. If you live outside the PDs jurisdiction (1+ mile outside the city limits) then the chief of the PD cannot sign. The only NFA item that is "sheriff only" is a machinegun. That is because NC law requires a permit from the sheriff for a machinegun (or at least it did, and the NFA branch has not revised its opinion on that since the law change on 12/01/2011). I see a lot of questions here similar to "will the sheriff in XXXX county sign a Form 1?" I want to make sure none of you missed the post above. The Sheriff is not your only CLEO option. Directly from the NFA Handbook: 6.2.4 Law enforcement certification. As provided by the regulations, the law enforcement certification located on the back of Form 1 must be completed and signed by the local chief of police or county sheriff, the head of the State police, the State or local district attorney or prosecutor, “or such other person whose certificate may in a particular case be acceptable to the Director.”97 Examples of certifying officials, other than those specifically mentioned in the regulations, who have been found to be acceptable are State attorneys general, heads of district State police offices and certain State court judges. Judges’ certifications have been accepted if the judges preside over courts of general jurisdiction having original jurisdiction in all civil and criminal cases or the authority to conduct criminal jury trials in felony cases. Generally, State magistrates and constables do not have such authority. NOTE: no official’s certification will be accepted unless the official has jurisdiction over the place where the applicant resides. The signature on each copy of the certification must be an original signature in ink. NOTE: if the Form 1 being submitted is to reactivate a properly registered unserviceable firearm, the law enforcement certification is not required. See Section 6.6. 6.2.4.1 What if the proposed maker is unable to find any official in his or her jurisdiction willing to sign the law enforcement certification? The inability to find any official to sign the certification will not excuse the requirement for the certification. In that event, the proposed maker will not be able to obtain an approved Form 1 to lawfully make an NFA firearm. |
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| With the Trust aspect all aflutter due to O's EO. I have become more curious as to what counties are friendly. I am looking to get some where less urban, and NFA friendliness will be a factor. If folks would pm me some friendly counties I would appreciate it greatly. |
| I see one of the few ways you can have NFA in NC is "scientific experiment." When I first got into NFA I lived in NC and my forms say that on them. Now I'm looking at possibly getting a job there again but all I put on my forms for my more recent NFA stuff is "collection." Is this going to be an issue? Do I need to re-register those items? |
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Originally Posted By bruh44:
I see one of the few ways you can have NFA in NC is "scientific experiment." When I first got into NFA I lived in NC and my forms say that on them. Now I'm looking at possibly getting a job there again but all I put on my forms for my more recent NFA stuff is "collection." Is this going to be an issue? Do I need to re-register those items? Nope, they got rid of that. |
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Originally Posted By golfroot:
Schatzman won't sign for anything, last time I checked. I doubt he's changed his stance, even in light of recent legislation. I hope I'm wrong. The NRA also fails to note that Schatzman refuses to sign Form 4's for Title II weapons such as suppressors and short-barreled rifles, which are required by the BATF to own these firearms, despite GRNC-initiated legislation in 2011 which makes them perfectly legal to own. And Schatzman has a history of requiring more information on CCW applicants than is allowed under State Law. And his the office hours for the CCW permitting office are narrow. Vote for a real pro-gun Sheriff Candidate, Dave Griffith. BTW, I live in Kernersville. |
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Originally Posted By bruh44:
I see one of the few ways you can have NFA in NC is "scientific experiment." When I first got into NFA I lived in NC and my forms say that on them. Now I'm looking at possibly getting a job there again but all I put on my forms for my more recent NFA stuff is "collection." Is this going to be an issue? Do I need to re-register those items? Here's a pretty good read on that subject: New Federal Rules for NC NFA Transfers |
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Originally Posted By BigWaylon:
Here's a pretty good read on that subject: New Federal Rules for NC NFA Transfers Originally Posted By BigWaylon:
Originally Posted By bruh44:
I see one of the few ways you can have NFA in NC is "scientific experiment." When I first got into NFA I lived in NC and my forms say that on them. Now I'm looking at possibly getting a job there again but all I put on my forms for my more recent NFA stuff is "collection." Is this going to be an issue? Do I need to re-register those items? Here's a pretty good read on that subject: New Federal Rules for NC NFA Transfers Good news! Thanks for this article. |
