Posted: 5/12/2011 6:53:24 AM EDT
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I know that the ATF supposedly has declared the "full auto" BCG to be legal without an NFA, but does anybody know where North Carolina
law stands on this? |
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Does Colt sell them to individuals directly or ship them to distributers only?  you can get them shipped right to your mail box.....
http://www.coltsmfg.com/ShopOnline/tabid/62/ProdID/304/Default.aspx . |
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With ATF's ruling that possession of any full auto parts and an AR is a chargeable offense, and their current favorite charge being "conspiracy" I think you need to contact one of the many class three licensed dealers in the area and ask him these questions. This is a good idea. And, no, I do not want to be a test case. I called Colt and Daniel Defense today to ask them about this issue. Colt said that full auto BCG's are the industry standard now and Daniel Defense said that it's ok as long as you don't install other full auto parts. However, if its the industry standard, I wonder why Bushmaster, RRA, DPMS, Stag, Les Baer, and others haven't switched to full auto BCGs. Some won't even sell them to you without NFA compliance. Brownells tech department told me that its an NFA item and although some people are using them in their AR's its still a grey area and its better to be safe than sorry. Maybe if all companies switched to full auto BCGs I would feel comfortable about using one. Until then, though... |
I wish I had the confidence that you have. 
I can imagine that a lot of people use them judging by the speed with which BCM sells out. From a purely practical standpoint, I can see the value in the M16 BCG because it's probably ideal for the smoothest and most reliable function in an AR. But, it's still a machine gun part from a legal standpoint. It still has that tainted description despite probably being the most practical for use in the AR platform. |
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I have FA BCG's in all my AR's Same here. Never once heard of an issue with FA BCG's and semi-auto AR's. Hell, I even had them in my AR's when I lived in the oppressive state of NY. It's not something I'd personally worry about. But as always; YMMV. I'm no lawyer. Quoted:
How can those parts be illegal when colt ships them from the factory? Just for sake of discussion......... Colt shipping their rifles with full-auto BCG's doesn't really mean anything, since the OP was asking if NC had some sort of issue with them. Not everything legal on a federal level is legal at state level. NY is a perfect example. Many factory-configured guns that are legal in the "free" parts of the US are illegal in NY. |
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an older post on the same subject:
http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=6&t=147440 . |
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Steve_in_Va posted a condensed version of this thread. In it he stated that he, as well as the ATF, advises against installing any full auto parts in an AR-15 although it isn't illegal. This, especially from the ATF, leaves the door open for possible trouble if some gov. agency wants to make your life hell. Oh well, BCM recommended to me an LMT semi-auto bolt carrier as a substitute. |
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I run M16 bolt carriers in a few of my ARs. A couple years back, CDNN had new take out Colt M16 BCGs for $99 each. They were even Colt packaging. I bought "a few".  I like how you updated your avatar.  I give thanks to MarkNH for the avatar in my sig line. He made it for me. I'm sure Lauren's lawyer (her brother in law) doesn't like it. F*#k him, too.  See you both in court soon, you effin douchebags. She'll be paying me enough to buy a Super 1050, with all the accessories I need.
I've been running M16 BCGs in semi auto ARs for years. Never had a problem with it. Nobody's ever checked them. If and when they do, I may or may not be the test case. The M16 BCG does not make the AR15 fire more than one round per trigger pull. Firing more than one round per trigger pull is the definition of a machine gun. None of my non Title II rifles fires more than one round per pull of the trigger. I think I might make a call to an ATF agent that lives about 5 miles away from me sometime soon. I've known him for over 20 years, and he's a decent fellow. Hi, Ted! 
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Sounds good. I'd be interested to know what he has to say. I doubt he'll have any input on this. He's not a Class 3 firearms guy. The DEA, the IRS, and the ATF skip hand in hand down the aisle together going toward convictions on the same case. They work together to make morons go to prison. |
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.....This, especially from the ATF, leaves the door open for possible trouble if some gov. agency wants to make your life hell. They could do that even if you didn't even own a single gun at all. Like I said, a full-auto BCG is not something I'd worry about. But it seems you had your mind made up before you even started this thread. IMO, if you get into hot water over an M16 BCG.........there's a 99.99% chance you're already in hot water for something much more serious, and they're looking for tack-on charges. If someone can find a case where someone was nabbed just for having an M16 BCG in their semi-auto AR, I'll give them 2 free PMags. |
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Quoted: Quoted: How MANY people have been sent to prison for possessing a legal BCG? IF it were so ILLEGAL, then Colt would not include them in their civilian rifle sales. End of thread. ^This^ Sometimes folks way over think this stuff. Don't forget Spike's Tactical sells ALL of their rifles with M16 BCG's. This isn't an issue at all, anywhere. |
