Posted: 1/26/2010 10:54:50 AM EDT
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If you're a member of SSI and you enjoyed shooting your registered NFA items at the SSI range don't bother to open your renewal letter when you get home.
"3. No NFA or class III registered weapons will be allowed on the property. This includes SBRs and suppressors, no exceptions regardless of having your tax stamp with you or not." If you're an SSI member who has complained about NFA items at the SSI range I'm very interested in hearing what the safety or nuisance issues were. I called the range safety officer and he said there have been too many complaints to go into it. The board decided to ban all NFA items all together to take care of the problem. Here's a reminder: when a gun goes off it makes a loud noise. If a gun goes off with a suppressor attached to it it's quieter. The neighbors that SSI is barely getting along with will be happy that EVIL suppressors are no longer allowed in their back yard. Rant off - good shootin folks. edited 
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You all are welcome at ENC . . . Do you have an address for ENC? I need to get a mileage on that one. http://www.encfiringrange.com 2253 Highway 581 South Dudley, NC 28333 |
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"he said there have been too many complaints to go into it" Translated doesn't this mean he hasn't a clue? SBR's and suppressors are always welcome at my range as long as it's legal.  FlatFrog - is your range open for memberships? If so location? That was cruel on my part. When I said my range it was literal. Sorry about that. But if you're ever in the foothills, Hickory / Lenoir area and want to shoot a little let me know. |
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"he said there have been too many complaints to go into it" Translated doesn't this mean he hasn't a clue? SBR's and suppressors are always welcome at my range as long as it's legal. FlatFrog - is your range open for memberships? If so location? That was cruel on my part. When I said my range it was literal. Sorry about that. But if you're ever in the foothills, Hickory / Lenoir area and want to shoot a little let me know. cruel and unusual punishment! And they say waterboarding is rough. 
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For grins and giggles, here's the new rules: SSI Range Safety Rules/Procedures/Etiguette Safety is Our Number One Priority! Safety is Everyone's Responsibility! Please note: These rules apply from the time you leave the state road until you are back on it. Any questions about the rules ask a Range Safety Officer or call assistant club secretary xxxx at xxxxx. Revised 1-4-10 1. NO alcoholic beverages or drug use is allowed on SSI property at any time. 2. NO hunting is allowed on SSI property at any time. 3. NFA or Class III weapons may NOT be used or possessed on range property. This includes select fire or full auto weapons, short barrel rifles/shotguns, destructive devices, "any other weapon" category arms or suppressed weapons whether or not the owner has the required tax stamps and permits — no exceptions! 4. Range hours are 9:00 AM Eastern time until sundown (as determined by the National Weather Service not until it is too dark to see) seven days per week. Night firing is NOT allowed at any time. 5. Drive slowly on all roads, particularly the entry drive where our neighbor's children play. Fifteen (15) miles per hour is the maximum speed allowed on all range property. Five (5) miles per hour is the speed limit from the SSI sign on the state road to the SSI gate. Please drive slowly to the yellow gate, read and follow the instructions on the sign and close the yellow gate behind you. 6. Club members must LOCK the gate when entering or exiting the range. Members are required to open the gate for guests and follow them to the range. Do NOT give the gate combination to nonmembers - members have been expelled for doing this. This is a security and safety issue! Members are required to brief their family members and guests on the range rules and speed limits and insure that they are followed. The maximum number of guests per member at any one time is three. 7. Park only in designated parking areas. Do not drive vehicles onto the rifle range. Walk downrange to set up, check or retrieve targets. Designated parking areas include: a) the hill behind the picnic table shelter, b) behind the rifle range firing positions, c) uprange (behind the shooters) on range numbers 1, 2, 4 and 5 (there is no parking on range 3). 8. Calibers allowed are those between .17 and .58 including muzzleloaders but excluding .50 BMG (and like type rounds). 9. Ammunition permitted includes all types except tracer, incendiary and armor-piercing round,, 10. This is a COLD range. ALL WEAPONS are to be empty, magazines out of gun, and actions open when not in use. Note: Personal defense handguns may be loaded if holstered and carried on your person. 11. Eye protection is required at all times on range property when shooting is in progress. This includes shooters, family members, visitors and guests. 12. Ear protection is required for all minors (under 18 years of age) and is strongly recommend€ for all others when shooting is in progress. You only get one set of eyes and ears so protect them. 13. Shooting is only allowed in designated range areas. All targets must be placed so that all bullets fired are captured by the impact berms. The impact of all projectiles fired must be below the bullet impact line signs on the berms but above the base of the berm (exception i; the shotgun target area with birdshot only). 14. You may shoot rimfire or centerfire handgun type cartridges (from either handguns or rifles), airguns, BB guns, airsoft guns, muzzleloading pistols, and shotguns with birdshot loads on ranges number 1, 2, 3, 4 or 5. Centerfire rifle type cartridges (fired from a rifle or a handgun; muzzleloading rifle (with patched round ball, conical, sabot or other type projectile), or shotguns with buckshot or slug loads must be used on range number 3 or the rifle range only — no exceptions! 15. There are two rifle range firing positions - one at 100 yards and the second at 200 yards. Shoot only from one of these two locations and not anywhere else. Only one firing position to be used at any one time (i.e. no person can be forward of the muzzle of your rifle when firing for obvious safety reasons). Raise the range flag at the firing position currently in use and lower it when you are done. If someone else wants to shoot at the same position you must share the range. If another member wants to shoot at a different position he/she mu: wait until the first shooter is finished and closes the position, lowers the range flag and leave the range before raising the range flag at the new position and commencing fire. NO firing from the hip is allowed on the rifle range at any time. NOTE: If BOTH range flags are raised at the same time it means that the entire rifle range is CLOSED (e.g. mowing, maintenance, etc.) so please use another range. Anyone wishing to shoot a rifle with rifle type centerfire rounds, a muzzleloading rifle (with patched round ball, conical, sabot or other type projectile), or a shotgun with buckshot or sit loads at less than 100 yards must use range number 3 only. 16. Steel targets are NOT allowed on the rifle range. No targets other than paper or cardboar are allowed on the rifle range (exception - clay birds may be used if placed directly on the impact berm itself not at the base). No cans, TV's, laptop computers, satellite dishes or otr junk may be used as targets on the rifle range at any time. Commercially manufactured ste swinging targets are allowed on the pistol ranges (range #1-5) when set directly in front of base of the berm. All cans (NO beer cans allowed), plastic bottles etc. used on the pistol ranges must be cleaned up by the user when finished shooting. NOlg ass objects may be used as targets at SSI on any range either rifle or pistol or shotgun target area at any time. 17. NO climbing is allowed on range berms or impact areas. Do not enter the area behind th impact berms as this may place you in grave danger if someone else arrives and starts shooting. 18. Clean up all trash, targets, target stands, and brass/steel cases from all ranges when finishe shooting. Put pistol range target stands and uprights back on the racks provided — do not leave out on the range. 19. Club members are responsible for the actions of family members, guests and pets etc. at al! times. Members must insure that guests and family members are aware of all range rules (especially concerning safe speed limits) and that they follow the rules. Guests (maximum three at any one time) and family members are not allowed on club property unless accompanied by a member. Guests, family members and pets must remain on club properl when at the range. Be a good neighbor don't let children or pets wander away. Members ar responsible for the actions and conduct of guests and family members from the time they leave the state road until they return to it. Safety is everyone's responsibility! 20. Use of the range is restricted only during special events that require prior approval by the S Board of Directors (e.g., Boy Scouts, Franklin County 4H, Franklin County Hunter Safety Course etc.). If a range is closed for maintenance or other reason please be patient and use another open range. 21. The conduct of training (including Concealed Handgun Permit courses), classes, seminars, exhibitions or other events for profit or not-for-profit is expressly forbidden without the prior approval of the board of directors. Such conduct without approval is grounds for immediate dismissal from the club and expulsion from range property for life. 22. Please report any safety violations or range problems to a Range Safety Officer or an assistant Range Safety Officer identified by their badges. If an officer is not present, contact assistant club secretary xxxx at xxxxx from 10-6 Mon-Fri and 10-3 on Sa leave a message on the answering machine. SAFETY IS OUR NUMBER ONE PRIORITY! Safety is Everyone's Responsibility! |
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The guest fee of $10.00 has been affect since at least 1982. The big change is the ban on Class III. That and the total ban on classes anything that isn't a fudd gun. Fixed it for ya. No reason for us to be upset though, we already found a better range. Just spreading the word that if you were considering SSI, its become useless to many of us now. Their range, their rules, but my money and my guns will be going elsewhere. |
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They're arrogant pricks that run the range but they own it so they can set the rules. That doesn't change the fact that they're arrogant pricks. If there were safety issues with the NFA gear it seems as if the rule change would have come before the end of year payment letter. Either way I need to quit whining about this and find another range.
If anybody wants to talk about trying to open a range North of Raleigh out side of Wake county let me know. Who know what we might be able to come up with if 5 or 10 guys get together and get the right folks involved. There has got to be a way to do this. No NFA stuff allowed but the rules say nothing about bump firing from the hip at the 100 yard line! OK, I'm done now. 
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The guest fee of $10.00 has been affect since at least 1982. The big change is the ban on Class III. That and the total ban on classes anything that isn't a fudd gun. Fixed it for ya. No reason for us to be upset though, we already found a better range. Just spreading the word that if you were considering SSI, its become useless to many of us now. Their range, their rules, but my money and my guns will be going elsewhere. I checked the mileage down to that range from house and it's 85 miles. I've driven further to shoot but I know I'll go much less often at that distance. hmmmmm |
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They're arrogant pricks that run the range but they own it so they can set the rules. That doesn't change the fact that they're arrogant pricks. If there were safety issues with the NFA gear it seems as if the rule change would have come before the end of year payment letter. Either way I need to quit whining about this and find another range. If anybody wants to talk about trying to open a range North of Raleigh out side of Wake county let me know. Who know what we might be able to come up with if 5 or 10 guys get together and get the right folks involved. There has got to be a way to do this. No NFA stuff allowed but the rules say nothing about bump firing from the hip at the 100 yard line! OK, I'm done now. You know some of us actually live SOUTH of Raleigh. North Raleigh is like an entire other country away from us. 
Now, if you want to get a 'team' together to buy land SOUTH of Raleigh somewhere outside of Wake County I'm in.
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SSI does not compare with ENC at all. I guess if you live in Wake Forest it may be the closest, but with the lame rules and high cost, SSI is just not worth it. Under the current rules I would never go there and steer everyone away. Here's a funny story. I used to live about five minutes walk from Davi's, back when I first started shooting. I have walked to Davi's many times to shoot. They closed their range. Eagle 1 opened, but at the time I didn't own any handguns and didn't want to shoot my .22's in the dark. No darn good to me. I moved out to Louisburg, within spitting distance of SSI. Even though their membership procedures were BS, I was going to make a go of it. I wanted somewhere to shoot my AK's, Mosins etc. Doh. I worry that if I head out to ENC (and hour and a half away!) they are going to get hit by a farking asteroid strike or something. Problem is, I need to find SOMEWHERE to shoot. I can shoot at my bosses place, but with the schedule thing I went shooting three or four times last year, total. |
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I admit I'm biased because I've been a member for years and now work there, but anyone within driving distance of Range 37 needs to come check us out. The place is perfect for ARFCOMMERS... low restriction outdoor range, covered shooting positions, berms at 25 and 100 yards, there are two training bays to run through carbine drills and transitions, and the 10 room shoothouse will be ready for live fire very soon. To top that off the pro shop is full of AR parts and accessories and lots of tac gear. The owner and many of the guys on staff are SOF guys who love to help shooters when asked.
I'm going to try and talk the owner into an 'ar15' day where everyone can get together to shoot and BBQ sometime in the spring, but in the meantime come check us out. –– Gary |
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I can still shoot my AR pistol, but not my SBR? NO EXCEPTIONS means NO EXCEPTIONS! SBR's will scare that little kid that keeps running out in the road between the two gates Isn't that great!!!!! Can shoot the AR pistol and bump fire the sks from the hip but can't shoot the SBR from the shoulder with a SOUND SUPPRESSOR on it!!! 
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I admit I'm biased because I've been a member for years and now work there, but anyone within driving distance of Range 37 needs to come check us out. The place is perfect for ARFCOMMERS... low restriction outdoor range, covered shooting positions, berms at 25 and 100 yards, there are two training bays to run through carbine drills and transitions, and the 10 room shoothouse will be ready for live fire very soon. To top that off the pro shop is full of AR parts and accessories and lots of tac gear. The owner and many of the guys on staff are SOF guys who love to help shooters when asked. I'm going to try and talk the owner into an 'ar15' day where everyone can get together to shoot and BBQ sometime in the spring, but in the meantime come check us out. –– Gary Is this what heaven is going to be like? |
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Ok, so, let's see, back in 2000-something they outlawed steel to appease the neighbors (that's when I quit), it would seem that one of the neighbors reported getting a bullet through the SIDE of their house...which would be physically impossible given the location of ANY of the neighbors downrange. Now, they outlaw NFA items...how many folks do they think own these things? How can a SBR or suppressor cause the neighbors cause any more heartache than a Title 1 length or unmuffled weapon? Folks shoot pistols from the rifle range, I would have thought that a shoulder fired weapon would be MUCH safer...ah yes...appeasement...bit by bit the anti-gunners that live *near* the range are encroaching on our rights...that AND the staff are apparently incapable of making rational decisions.
I no longer support SSI, nor do I send folks to Randy/John to talk about using this fine facility, it really is a nice place, pretty good location (I live in N. Ral.) but the politics that are alive and running the joint have run off decent shooters, like I consider myself to be, and if they only want trap/skeet/shotgun folks, they have a long way to go, but they are on the right track. It's a shame really. Next it'll probably be "semi-automatic-assault-rifles" then perhaps "semi-automatic-police-styled-high-capacity-pistols"...no Semi shotguns, no pump, no lever action, no revolvers with over 6 rds, no double barreled anything, single shot only. Maybe their goal is to be the only Thompson Contender/Encore ONLY club in the country. Best of luck to them. I'd love to open a range, really I would, but I can drive 45 min farther (roughly twice the distance) and shoot whatever I like at distances up to 625 yards...MG's are allowed, exploding targets are allowed, only thing that is not allowed on MY "range" is whiny, anti-gun, leftist, liberal shitbags...that and maybe .50 BMG, that round might hit the closest town :-). Sterling. |
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I really have a hard time trying to support Young Guns, Inc. due to their affiliations with SSI. I hope others feel the same way. I do. I've bought 3 or 4 guns, and a bunch of accessories, supplies, ammo, etc. from Young Guns in the past. Randy Young and almost all of the employees have always been pleasant and helpful. But –– after a particularly disturbing experience there in March of last year, I have decided not to return –– at least as long as John M. (an SSI representative) is employed there. After spending $55 on some ammo, I asked John for some clarification about the revised SSI policies. This was after the new signs appeared on the range, and the discussion about it here on arfcom. What I got was a loud lecture, delivered in an abrasive, hostile, and confrontational tone. Here are a few quotes: "We don't have time to notify range customers" of changes. "You shooters are dumbasses". Do <<something I think is threatening>> at the range "and I'll kill you on the spot". I couldn't believe what I was hearing. That's why I wrote some of this conversation down after going to my car. I only wish I had made an audio recording during the event so that I'd have all of the detail. As I walked out, the friendly woman who had waited on me for the ammo purchase almost seemed embarrassed by the situation. So - no more Young Guns, and no more SSI for me. |
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Everyone needs to keep in mind that both Wilburs BBQ and McCall's BBQ are literally minutes away from ENC. This alone makes it worth the trip. I miss McCall's; that was some good eating right there! I left that area in Sept '01 (PCS to Germany) and have not a real reason to return. I might need to ride up there for some shooting and eating.
Back then (98-01) there were no local ranges close to Goldsboro but some of the CATM guys would open the base range on Sunday for ID card holders and that's were I did all my AR shooting. . |
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I really have a hard time trying to support Young Guns, Inc. due to their affiliations with SSI. I hope others feel the same way. I do. I've bought 3 or 4 guns, and a bunch of accessories, supplies, ammo, etc. from Young Guns in the past. Randy Young and almost all of the employees have always been pleasant and helpful. But –– after a particularly disturbing experience there in March of last year, I have decided not to return –– at least as long as John M. (an SSI representative) is employed there. After spending $55 on some ammo, I asked John for some clarification about the revised SSI policies. This was after the new signs appeared on the range, and the discussion about it here on arfcom. What I got was a loud lecture, delivered in an abrasive, hostile, and confrontational tone. Here are a few quotes: "We don't have time to notify range customers" of changes. "You shooters are dumbasses". Do <<something I think is threatening>> at the range "and I'll kill you on the spot". I couldn't believe what I was hearing. That's why I wrote some of this conversation down after going to my car. I only wish I had made an audio recording during the event so that I'd have all of the detail. As I walked out, the friendly woman who had waited on me for the ammo purchase almost seemed embarrassed by the situation. So - no more Young Guns, and no more SSI for me. I can't believe what I'm reading. I mean I can but I can't if that makes sense. Holy crap what an outfit. |