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5/16/2007 5:08:50 PM EDT
I need advice from the ARFCOM Hive.

Ammo prices being what they are....Should I consider getting in to reloading my own or get a .22LR conversion for one of my AR's??

I mostly shoot .223 and .45acp....and the occasional 9mm.

I weighed out the cost for components, press, etc. and the biggest factor that I can't get past is.....time.   I just don't feel like I have a ton of time to dedicate to reloading.   I do love to shoot and would shoot weekly if I had a nice backlog of ammo.


Thoughts?????



Lex
5/16/2007 5:25:47 PM EDT
[#1]
I am looking to do a dedicated .22, but cannot find a good upper.  I want one that will accept 30 rd black dog mags.  I do not want to convert a .223, I want a dedicated .22 barrel with the right twist.
5/16/2007 5:29:23 PM EDT
[#2]
Yep, I am wrestling with the same idea.  I thought Ciener was the easy way but not sure at this point.
I did see Bushy's .22LR upper and gave it a second look (online).

Do you reload???

Lex
5/16/2007 7:22:51 PM EDT
[#3]
Loading pistol cal stuff is fast & easy. I have several Dillon SDB's and can load 200 to 300 rounds in an hour.
Rifle cartriges are another matter. I've done all my rifle reloading on a single stage press and it takes time. I have a Lee progressive that I need to drag out and set up for 223!
One thing often overlooked is space for all this stuff. Do you live in an apartment or house with a garage or workshop area? All the brass cleaning & sorting can be a little dusty and it is nice to have the press mounted to a bench in a dedicated area of a shop or garage.
I shoot alot of FA so reloading is the only way to go in my case. Shooting semi you can load enough ammo in a single  afternoon for 3 trips to the range.
5/17/2007 3:45:26 AM EDT
[#4]
Yep, I have a home w/ a workbench in the garage.

I keep reading the info on how many rounds per hour you can crank out on the various presses.  I must admit, I am tempted.





Lex
5/17/2007 3:49:01 AM EDT
[#5]
Reload, you'll need the initial investment of the equipment and dedicated space and devote some time to it, but if your time is valuable, which is a common complaint to taking up reloading, buy the higher end progressive presses.  My last production run of 223 came to about $80/K, Wolf is now selling for $230/K from ammoman.  I saved $600 already!
5/17/2007 4:38:03 AM EDT
[#6]
Reload!!! I got started a couple months ago....I mainly load 45acp and have been reloading with cast lead bullets and its been running me about $3.50 per 50 rounds!!!
I have over 3000 rounds reloaded now and as someone commented in another post...that comes to $800.00 + worth of ammo if it was cheap factory ammo.

heres how my supplies break down:
1#powder= $20.00 = 1300+ loads = .01 per load
cast lead bullets= $20.00 per 500=   .04 each
ranier plated bullets = $80.00 per 1000= .08 each
primers=$25 per 1000=  .02 each

cast lead= $3.50 per 50
FMJ=         $5.50 per 50

as far as time goes....I am using a single stage press....usually I will deprime and size a couple hundred cases.....a day or so later reprime...and later load....it breaks the monotony of doing it all in one sitting.

I have loaded about 800+/- rounds of clean, primed and sized brass in about 4-4 1/2 hours where if I did it all in one sitting it would have probabally taken a day and a half.

If it wasnt for me reloading I would NEVER have 3000+ rounds of 45 acp sitting around.

5/17/2007 5:55:59 AM EDT
[#7]
I thought the arfcom answer was get both

I have two DPMS dedicated .22LR uppers (a 16" and a 20") and they work pretty well. DPMS is "redesigning" them now, so they are hard or impossible to find now. I am curious to know what they are doing.

I don't reload, but may go that route one day. For me, I have neither time, or space to do it (house with neither garage nor basement).
5/17/2007 6:10:37 AM EDT
[#8]
I agree with Dmin.....Both!

Reloading will keep the cost of .223 down, but the Ceiner kit I have is just too much damn fun!  
5/17/2007 9:52:01 AM EDT
[#9]
Are the Ceiner mags tough to load or is there a speed loader available??


Lex
5/17/2007 3:12:38 PM EDT
[#10]
You can buy a modified or build a speed loader from a ram line mag loader.
5/18/2007 5:39:35 AM EDT
[#11]
Deuce,

Do you have any blueprints/directions to make the modded loader?   Also, do you know if they work with the BDM mags?
5/31/2007 10:30:02 AM EDT
[#12]

Quoted:

Do you have any blueprints/directions to make the modded loader?   Also, do you know if they work with the BDM mags?


I would be interested in any information like mentioned above.

Thanks!

BP
5/31/2007 11:04:19 AM EDT
[#13]
I am going to go .22

If only Kuehl Precision were still making uppers....



Somebody should email him about the M4 barrels and modified Ceiner Kits...

I can make my own upper....

CXS
5/31/2007 12:00:13 PM EDT
[#14]
I think he's still doing barrels, just not complete uppers.  He built one for me while I was in Afghanistan a couple of years ago.  It and my recently acquired 22/45 are getting most of my attention now a days.



CHRIS