Posted: 7/21/2015 6:23:44 PM EDT
| Anyone on here gone out to stand guard at their local office, or seen anyone doing it? |
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I like the idea and all, but after This, I would avoid it.
Subject: USAREC Policy – Armed citizens at recruiting centers ATO’s, Situation: The USAREC COC has received reports from two Brigade ATOs, social media and TV coverage that law abiding armed citizens are standing outside of our recruiting centers in an attempt to safeguard our recruiters. Execution: 1) Recruiters will not acknowledge the presence or interact with these civilians. If questioned by these alleged concerned citizens; be polite, professional, and terminate the conversation immediately and report the incident to local law enforcement and complete USAREC Form 958 IAW USAREC 190-4 (SIR) 2) Do not automatically assume these concerned citizens are there to help. Immediately report IAW USAREC 190-4 (Suspicious Behavior) 3) Immediately report any civilians loitering near the Station/Center to local police if the recruiter feels threatened. Ensure your recruiters’ clearly articulate to local police the civilian may be armed and in possession of a conceal/carry permit. Ensure recruiters include any information provided by local police in their SIR reporting the incident. 4) Ensure all station commanders implement FPCON Charlie 6 (Lock and secure entry points) addressed in previous email. 5) I’m sure the citizens mean well, but we cannot assume this in every case and we do not want to advocate this behavior. *** The timely and accurate submission of 958s (SIR) is imperative to track these incidents and elicit support from TRADOC, ARNORTH and NORTHCOM. |
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I like the idea and all, but after This, I would avoid it. Subject: USAREC Policy – Armed citizens at recruiting centers ATO’s, Situation: The USAREC COC has received reports from two Brigade ATOs, social media and TV coverage that law abiding armed citizens are standing outside of our recruiting centers in an attempt to safeguard our recruiters. Execution: 1) Recruiters will not acknowledge the presence or interact with these civilians. If questioned by these alleged concerned citizens; be polite, professional, and terminate the conversation immediately and report the incident to local law enforcement and complete USAREC Form 958 IAW USAREC 190-4 (SIR) 2) Do not automatically assume these concerned citizens are there to help. Immediately report IAW USAREC 190-4 (Suspicious Behavior) 3) Immediately report any civilians loitering near the Station/Center to local police if the recruiter feels threatened. Ensure your recruiters’ clearly articulate to local police the civilian may be armed and in possession of a conceal/carry permit. Ensure recruiters include any information provided by local police in their SIR reporting the incident. 4) Ensure all station commanders implement FPCON Charlie 6 (Lock and secure entry points) addressed in previous email. 5) I’m sure the citizens mean well, but we cannot assume this in every case and we do not want to advocate this behavior. *** The timely and accurate submission of 958s (SIR) is imperative to track these incidents and elicit support from TRADOC, ARNORTH and NORTHCOM. For the love of God... What a bunch of pansies. |
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I like the idea and all, but after This, I would avoid it. Subject: USAREC Policy – Armed citizens at recruiting centers ATO’s, Situation: The USAREC COC has received reports from two Brigade ATOs, social media and TV coverage that law abiding armed citizens are standing outside of our recruiting centers in an attempt to safeguard our recruiters. Execution: 1) Recruiters will not acknowledge the presence or interact with these civilians. If questioned by these alleged concerned citizens; be polite, professional, and terminate the conversation immediately and report the incident to local law enforcement and complete USAREC Form 958 IAW USAREC 190-4 (SIR) 2) Do not automatically assume these concerned citizens are there to help. Immediately report IAW USAREC 190-4 (Suspicious Behavior) 3) Immediately report any civilians loitering near the Station/Center to local police if the recruiter feels threatened. Ensure your recruiters’ clearly articulate to local police the civilian may be armed and in possession of a conceal/carry permit. Ensure recruiters include any information provided by local police in their SIR reporting the incident. 4) Ensure all station commanders implement FPCON Charlie 6 (Lock and secure entry points) addressed in previous email. 5) I’m sure the citizens mean well, but we cannot assume this in every case and we do not want to advocate this behavior. *** The timely and accurate submission of 958s (SIR) is imperative to track these incidents and elicit support from TRADOC, ARNORTH and NORTHCOM. For the love of God... What a bunch of pansies. Yep. The armed forces have officially lost their balls. I can see their side though. They just need to nut up and allow or assign someone to carry at each recruiting station. |
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Quoted: Yep. The armed forces have officially lost their balls. I can see their side though. They just need to nut up and allow or assign someone to carry at each recruiting station. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I like the idea and all, but after This, I would avoid it. Subject: USAREC Policy – Armed citizens at recruiting centers ATO’s, Situation: The USAREC COC has received reports from two Brigade ATOs, social media and TV coverage that law abiding armed citizens are standing outside of our recruiting centers in an attempt to safeguard our recruiters. Execution: 1) Recruiters will not acknowledge the presence or interact with these civilians. If questioned by these alleged concerned citizens; be polite, professional, and terminate the conversation immediately and report the incident to local law enforcement and complete USAREC Form 958 IAW USAREC 190-4 (SIR) 2) Do not automatically assume these concerned citizens are there to help. Immediately report IAW USAREC 190-4 (Suspicious Behavior) 3) Immediately report any civilians loitering near the Station/Center to local police if the recruiter feels threatened. Ensure your recruiters’ clearly articulate to local police the civilian may be armed and in possession of a conceal/carry permit. Ensure recruiters include any information provided by local police in their SIR reporting the incident. 4) Ensure all station commanders implement FPCON Charlie 6 (Lock and secure entry points) addressed in previous email. 5) I’m sure the citizens mean well, but we cannot assume this in every case and we do not want to advocate this behavior. *** The timely and accurate submission of 958s (SIR) is imperative to track these incidents and elicit support from TRADOC, ARNORTH and NORTHCOM. For the love of God... What a bunch of pansies. Yep. The armed forces have officially lost their balls. I can see their side though. They just need to nut up and allow or assign someone to carry at each recruiting station. Because every guy who shows up will be a "good guy", who will exercise good common sense, won't dress like a 5.11 distributor blew up or wearing any combination of 2nd Amendment/Kill Em All attire, and will stay the hell out of the way and let them do there business? Yeah...no. I'm on the side of providing the ROE's, procedures and arming them. I worked with a lot of these ladies and gentlemen during the festivities over the past few months and as long as they are qualifying under whatever the Guard establishes, let's arm em. I still haven't got a reasonably decent ruling of the implications of Posse Comitatus |
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Because every guy who shows up will be a "good guy", who will exercise good common sense, won't dress like a 5.11 distributor blew up or wearing any combination of 2nd Amendment/Kill Em All attire, and will stay the hell out of the way and let them do there business? Yeah...no. I'm on the side of providing the ROE's, procedures and arming them. I worked with a lot of these ladies and gentlemen during the festivities over the past few months and as long as they are qualifying under whatever the Guard establishes, let's arm em. I still haven't got a reasonably decent ruling of the implications of Posse Comitatus Why I said I see their side and that they need to either be armed or assign someone to be armed there. |
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When you fill out a USAREC Form 958 IAW USAREC 190-4 (SIR) things get real. What in the world is that? Suspicious Incident Report, and since they are treating this as Force Protection level stuff, it'll be in CID hands within 12 hours if I'm reading the forms I found right. In other words... one more list to be on. 
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Suspicious Incident Report, and since they are treating this as Force Protection level stuff, it'll be in CID hands within 12 hours if I'm reading the forms I found right. In other words... one more list to be on. Quoted:
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When you fill out a USAREC Form 958 IAW USAREC 190-4 (SIR) things get real. What in the world is that? Suspicious Incident Report, and since they are treating this as Force Protection level stuff, it'll be in CID hands within 12 hours if I'm reading the forms I found right. In other words... one more list to be on. Well that's sweet of them |
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Because every guy who shows up will be a "good guy", who will exercise good common sense, won't dress like a 5.11 distributor blew up or wearing any combination of 2nd Amendment/Kill Em All attire, and will stay the hell out of the way and let them do there business? Yeah...no. I'm on the side of providing the ROE's, procedures and arming them. I worked with a lot of these ladies and gentlemen during the festivities over the past few months and as long as they are qualifying under whatever the Guard establishes, let's arm em. I still haven't got a reasonably decent ruling of the implications of Posse Comitatus Quoted:
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I like the idea and all, but after This, I would avoid it. Subject: USAREC Policy – Armed citizens at recruiting centers ATO’s, Situation: The USAREC COC has received reports from two Brigade ATOs, social media and TV coverage that law abiding armed citizens are standing outside of our recruiting centers in an attempt to safeguard our recruiters. Execution: 1) Recruiters will not acknowledge the presence or interact with these civilians. If questioned by these alleged concerned citizens; be polite, professional, and terminate the conversation immediately and report the incident to local law enforcement and complete USAREC Form 958 IAW USAREC 190-4 (SIR) 2) Do not automatically assume these concerned citizens are there to help. Immediately report IAW USAREC 190-4 (Suspicious Behavior) 3) Immediately report any civilians loitering near the Station/Center to local police if the recruiter feels threatened. Ensure your recruiters’ clearly articulate to local police the civilian may be armed and in possession of a conceal/carry permit. Ensure recruiters include any information provided by local police in their SIR reporting the incident. 4) Ensure all station commanders implement FPCON Charlie 6 (Lock and secure entry points) addressed in previous email. 5) I’m sure the citizens mean well, but we cannot assume this in every case and we do not want to advocate this behavior. *** The timely and accurate submission of 958s (SIR) is imperative to track these incidents and elicit support from TRADOC, ARNORTH and NORTHCOM. For the love of God... What a bunch of pansies. Yep. The armed forces have officially lost their balls. I can see their side though. They just need to nut up and allow or assign someone to carry at each recruiting station. Because every guy who shows up will be a "good guy", who will exercise good common sense, won't dress like a 5.11 distributor blew up or wearing any combination of 2nd Amendment/Kill Em All attire, and will stay the hell out of the way and let them do there business? Yeah...no. I'm on the side of providing the ROE's, procedures and arming them. I worked with a lot of these ladies and gentlemen during the festivities over the past few months and as long as they are qualifying under whatever the Guard establishes, let's arm em. I still haven't got a reasonably decent ruling of the implications of Posse Comitatus Still pansies... Every single person that walks by any recruiters office in this state could potentially be armed. What are they going to do? Close the office at the sight of a shadow and get out a blanket and binkie? It is absurd that this is the policy at the sight of an armed civilian in this country. |
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Quoted: Still pansies... Every single person that walks by any recruiters office in this state could potentially be armed. What are they going to do? Close the office at the sight of a shadow and get out a blanket and binkie? It is absurd that this is the policy at the sight of an armed civilian in this country. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I like the idea and all, but after This, I would avoid it. Subject: USAREC Policy – Armed citizens at recruiting centers ATO’s, Situation: The USAREC COC has received reports from two Brigade ATOs, social media and TV coverage that law abiding armed citizens are standing outside of our recruiting centers in an attempt to safeguard our recruiters. Execution: 1) Recruiters will not acknowledge the presence or interact with these civilians. If questioned by these alleged concerned citizens; be polite, professional, and terminate the conversation immediately and report the incident to local law enforcement and complete USAREC Form 958 IAW USAREC 190-4 (SIR) 2) Do not automatically assume these concerned citizens are there to help. Immediately report IAW USAREC 190-4 (Suspicious Behavior) 3) Immediately report any civilians loitering near the Station/Center to local police if the recruiter feels threatened. Ensure your recruiters’ clearly articulate to local police the civilian may be armed and in possession of a conceal/carry permit. Ensure recruiters include any information provided by local police in their SIR reporting the incident. 4) Ensure all station commanders implement FPCON Charlie 6 (Lock and secure entry points) addressed in previous email. 5) I’m sure the citizens mean well, but we cannot assume this in every case and we do not want to advocate this behavior. *** The timely and accurate submission of 958s (SIR) is imperative to track these incidents and elicit support from TRADOC, ARNORTH and NORTHCOM. For the love of God... What a bunch of pansies. Yep. The armed forces have officially lost their balls. I can see their side though. They just need to nut up and allow or assign someone to carry at each recruiting station. Because every guy who shows up will be a "good guy", who will exercise good common sense, won't dress like a 5.11 distributor blew up or wearing any combination of 2nd Amendment/Kill Em All attire, and will stay the hell out of the way and let them do there business? Yeah...no. I'm on the side of providing the ROE's, procedures and arming them. I worked with a lot of these ladies and gentlemen during the festivities over the past few months and as long as they are qualifying under whatever the Guard establishes, let's arm em. I still haven't got a reasonably decent ruling of the implications of Posse Comitatus Still pansies... Every single person that walks by any recruiters office in this state could potentially be armed. What are they going to do? Close the office at the sight of a shadow and get out a blanket and binkie? It is absurd that this is the policy at the sight of an armed civilian in this country. Walk around all you want. I won't stop you. Step in front of a business door to "protect" them, they have the right to ask you to leave. In this case, I can see their point. Somehow there's this concept that because you are armed, you know what you are doing. This is a misconception. And yes, this refers to LEO's as well. I see someone walking around with OC, I don't get worried. I also don't necessarily feel relieved. |
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Quoted: Don't forget the French  Quoted: Quoted: Well, that's ok. They have asked recruiters to stop wearing their uniforms. So, that'll make them safe now. Odd, I thought only the Iraqi's dropped uniform/weapon, and hid. Don't forget the French On this you get my whole hearted agreement! |
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I'm not one of the people walking around out there nor have I made any statement regarding what they are doing.
I'm simply commenting on the absurdity of the military's response to it. To tell someone to lock the glass door to the glass storefront at the sight of a legally armed civilian is laughable. To do it when the armed person is intent on bringing harm is dangerous. It is truly an example of how inept the federal government has become. |
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I'm not one of the people walking around out there nor have I made any statement regarding what they are doing. I'm simply commenting on the absurdity of the military's response to it. To tell someone to lock the glass door to the glass storefront at the sight of a legally armed civilian is laughable. To do it when the armed person is intent on bringing harm is dangerous. It is truly an example of how inept the federal government has become. The ones in Jeff City are very receptive to the folks standing outside armed. |