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7/31/2009 9:14:45 PM EDT
Lost ten pounds and gained alot of stamina since my last range trip.  Not gonna post about all that right now.  Just want to see how a composite pic I made looks real quick before I go to bed.



Edit:  Looks ok I guess, full size is better but oh well.  Might as well post up a bonus.  Shutter speed on this one was 1/2000 of one second.

7/31/2009 9:20:03 PM EDT
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Lost ten pounds and gained alot of stamina since my last range trip.  Not gonna post about all that right now.  Just want to see how a composite pic I made looks real quick before I go to bed.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v236/MolonLabe/rightytolefty.jpg


I think the picture would look better if all the frames were inline instead of two lines. What do I know...I like bacon.
7/31/2009 11:46:16 PM EDT
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What do I know...I like bacon.

You too?  Me three!!  

8/1/2009 1:44:46 AM EDT
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What do I know...I like bacon.

You too?  Me three!!  



Did some one say BACON???
8/1/2009 4:35:21 AM EDT
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BACON ROCKS!!!
8/1/2009 4:40:55 AM EDT
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Duke, I think they aresaying your pictures fail, no bacon in it at all.......
8/1/2009 5:06:33 AM EDT
[#6]
Damn you are fat  JK
8/1/2009 5:06:52 AM EDT
[#7]
There.  Fixed it.  

8/1/2009 6:00:07 AM EDT
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Obligatory post for bacon, don't really care how much weight you gain or lose.
8/1/2009 6:14:10 AM EDT
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Forgive the "making the bed" skit in the begining.  He is the bacon comedian.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSjXeqA8Iow

I'm going to try to make the "bacon-to-bacon vortex".  I'll let you know how it goes.
8/1/2009 3:52:39 PM EDT
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Garrett, that is PRICELESS!!!  
8/1/2009 5:13:56 PM EDT
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Garret, that is PRICELESS!!!  


That is a keeper all right.
8/1/2009 5:37:16 PM EDT
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Right Click Save As......
8/1/2009 6:45:33 PM EDT
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You know, you can have fun with this all day...

8/1/2009 7:55:21 PM EDT
[#14]
wtf is going on in frame 6 & 7?

O yeah, right-click save as!
8/1/2009 8:32:27 PM EDT
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wtf is going on in frame 6 & 7?


Sling was getting caught on my neck and strangling me as I was doing the transitions.  Reason was, I had the length set up for what would work with me in a tshirt.  With the plate carrier and all that other crap on, it was way too short and was wrapping around my neck.  One of the ways you can fix this is to jerk the buttstock away from you quickly to pull a bunch of sling material that direction, then when you move the stock to your left shoulder the sling still has a bit of slack to it.  The BETTER way is to just take your left arm out of the loop and push the rifle forward just a bit while swapping hands.

This guy is doing it right.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXs_3jGejxs

After some more consideration after doing the drills, I moved the rear sling attachment point from the side of the buttstock to the lower attachment point on the buttstock (the normal one, where a regular GI sling would attach).  After doing some dry drills it appears that the sling and buckles don't get caught behind the buttstock nearly as often using that mounting location.

I still have alot of practice to do.  This is where having a .22lr conversion kit comes in nicely, you can do all these transition drills and stuff with a steel plate or paper target 10 yards away and still get in all your manipulations and stuff, without having to blow through your 5.56 ammo.  Of coruse you can even do it dry fire in your own living room if you have some time to spare.  I would like to train to the point where it is second nature and the transition happens very quickly, like so:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZJzJGawqLs&feature=channel

8/2/2009 6:16:58 AM EDT
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This guy is doing it right.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXs_3jGejxs


Well I SHOULD hope that Larry Vickers knows how to properly USE the Vickers sling!!!

Here is an example of the "Zig Zag" drill that we were doing the other week...
You really need a controlled environment to do these types of drills live fire and by controlled I mean you have the range all to your self or selves if in a group. MOST square or flat ranges do not allow this sort of shooting. That Is why I rent the downstairs range at the bullet hole from time to time.
I rent it, it is MINE for the length of time I reserve it for.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q55MHk8Q-2E&feature=channel
8/2/2009 7:29:11 AM EDT
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I still don't get, and probably never will, the fascination with constant manipulation of the rifle's safety/selector lever during an engagement.

I am of the opinion that if I am in the shit, that damned safety/selector lever will remain in the most potentially-destructive position available to me, and that is either "FIRE" or if I have the option, "FULL".  If I need to move/transition/reload/etc, my finger not being in the trigger guard and on the trigger is 100% guaranteed safe.

Anyone care to debate that?
8/2/2009 7:51:05 AM EDT
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I still don't get, and probably never will, the fascination with constant manipulation of the rifle's safety/selector lever during an engagement.

I am of the opinion that if I am in the shit, that damned safety/selector lever will remain in the most potentially-destructive position available to me, and that is either "FIRE" or if I have the option, "FULL".  If I need to move/transition/reload/etc, my finger not being in the trigger guard and on the trigger is 100% guaranteed safe.

Anyone care to debate that?


Sure! I can speak to that course of action...

1. If you are alone against many bad guys then leaving the safety off is prudent, as you are not going to inadvertantly cap your buddy.
2. when manipulating the weapon in the manner described here the chance of catching the trigger on other gear is very real... you need to be sure and safe the weapon so that the thing doesn't cause accidental death to others.

Larry Vickers knows from whence he speaks he has lived it and been involved with the developement of modern CQB and Combat Mechanics.
Larry preaches safety because it is indeed prudent
Paul Howe is from the same school... Taught the same courses and preaches safety safety safety...
http://www.combatshootingandtactics.com/published/the_weapon_safety.PDF
MOST instructors teach a LOT of safety manipulation due unfortunately to folks like Duke.... Not because Duke is unsafe by any means but because he is a lawyer....

I regularly manipulate the safety, it also goes with Familiarity with the weapon, if you are familiar with the weapon then you should have no issue with the safety, I carried a beretta regularly for a lot of years and was trained to NOT safe the weapon, to drop the hammer on a loaded chamber and first round DA next and succeeding rounds as SA.
8/2/2009 8:02:00 AM EDT
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I still don't get, and probably never will, the fascination with constant manipulation of the rifle's safety/selector lever during an engagement.

I am of the opinion that if I am in the shit, that damned safety/selector lever will remain in the most potentially-destructive position available to me, and that is either "FIRE" or if I have the option, "FULL".  If I need to move/transition/reload/etc, my finger not being in the trigger guard and on the trigger is 100% guaranteed safe.

Anyone care to debate that?


Sure! I can speak to that course of action...

1. If you are alone against many bad guys then leaving the safety off is prudent, as you are not going to inadvertantly cap your buddy.


You left out, "And your buddy will cap your @ss right back if you did not kill him!"

8/2/2009 8:14:56 AM EDT
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I think the ease of manipulation of the AR type safety is a big reason why it has been incorporated so much into current doctrine.  Basically, since its so easy to move on and off in a fraction of a second, why not?  Latest generation rifles such as the XCR and Sig 556 incorporate a similar safety design that only moves 45 degrees, so its even faster.
8/2/2009 9:14:41 AM EDT
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To hell with all this tactics talk.....did someone say BACON???????
8/2/2009 9:23:43 AM EDT
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To hell with all this tactics talk.....did someone say BACON???????


Bacon is in fact a tiny God, that we should worship daily if at all possible.
8/2/2009 11:24:15 AM EDT
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Im going to start a church called "Our Lady of the Bacon"
8/2/2009 11:26:32 AM EDT
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Im going to start a church called "Our Lady of the Bacon"


I'm in!
8/2/2009 12:22:38 PM EDT
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I still don't get, and probably never will, the fascination with constant manipulation of the rifle's safety/selector lever during an engagement.

I'm of the opinion that it originated in order to keep the trainer from being sued when the student shoots his left nut off doing live-fire practice exercises.  

Lawyers run the world now, for good or for ill (that wasn't a jab at Duke.  Simply an observation on the reason that things are done the way they are in our litigation-happy society).  

It is a good thing that the M16 safety is fairly ergonomic.  It is pretty easy to manipulate with minimal or no decrease in speed.  A good example of a similar activity would be keeping the safety engaged when drawing or transitioning between targets with a 1911.  You can draw and transition just as fast while manipulating the safety as without.  The finger is kept off the trigger when not engaging a target, and the safety is redundant.  

8/2/2009 2:30:52 PM EDT
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Im going to start a church called "Our Lady of the Bacon"


I'm in!


I'm in!  As long as we get a saint with a cool name, and a cool symbol that I can put on my chain with my cigar punch and call box key
8/2/2009 6:12:59 PM EDT
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I still don't get, and probably never will, the fascination with constant manipulation of the rifle's safety/selector lever during an engagement.

I'm of the opinion that it originated in order to keep the trainer from being sued when the student shoots his left nut off doing live-fire practice exercises.  

Lawyers Insurance companies run the world now, for good or for ill (that wasn't a jab at Duke.  Simply an observation on the reason that things are done the way they are in our litigation-happy society).  

It is a good thing that the M16 safety is fairly ergonomic.  It is pretty easy to manipulate with minimal or no decrease in speed.  A good example of a similar activity would be keeping the safety engaged when drawing or transitioning between targets with a 1911.  You can draw and transition just as fast while manipulating the safety as without.  The finger is kept off the trigger when not engaging a target, and the safety is redundant.  



Fixed it for you. Did I did not mean to hijack this thread...Ummmm, I said BACON!!!  

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I'm in!  As long as we get a saint with a cool name, and a cool symbol that I can put on my chain with my cigar punch and call box key


Saint Fatback...