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8/16/2008 3:55:44 PM EDT
Any guys from the KC area planning on doing a group build or any brainstorming sessions for the up coming changes to the silencer laws?  As I understand the laws I can have someone else help with the machining/design as long as I have my paperwork (approved of course) and none of the parts leave my sight.  They must go home with the paperwork holder everynight.  
8/16/2008 10:47:01 PM EDT
[#1]
Sorry, but as long as there is a $200 U.S. Government tax stamp requirement to buy/build/possess a frickin' muffler for a firearm, you can count me out!  It's great that they will now be allowed in Missouri, but having to jump through the hoops, pay the fees and have it NFA registered just isn't worth it to me.  
8/17/2008 6:00:50 AM EDT
[#2]
I'm kinda with Terminal on this one.  The real stickler is that you only get one chance to get it right with each paid $200 tax stamp.  Screw up the registered tube or the baffles and technically you can't just start over since the alphabet soup boys in boots consider each part of the suppressor system to be a regulated item.
8/17/2008 9:12:22 AM EDT
[#3]
I agree with the above post.  If I have to pay a $200 tax on a suppressor, I want to get the best value for my $.  I would rather get a suppressor on the leading edge of design technology that will give me greatest db reduction in the smallest, lightest suppressor.

If I were to build a suppressor once my form 1 is approved, I would be using a simple design that is easy for me to build.  Will it reduce the sound yes....will I learn something from it, yes...but would it perform like modern suppressors, no.
8/17/2008 10:11:26 AM EDT
[#4]
My take is slightly different, but as follows.

If you just bought "Expedient Suppressors for Dummies" and want to try out the techniques in the book. I wouldn't waste my money.

IF you have what you believe to be a superior design and want to try it out, that is another story. Research and development cost a fortune.

Do your homework, draw it all out on paper, get an idea of what actually does what and then try it out. Remember if at first you do not succeed, as long as the envelope of the can is not destroyed it is the serial numbered part. Any internals you have to make must be destroyed as you prove their invalidity. You can't keep any spare parts on hand for your suppressor. But you can destroy them as you research the possibilities.

I am not suggesting anything here.



If you make a home made can, you have to do all of your paperwork first then build the can when you get your stamp back.

Probably not worth it unless you have an innovative design.
8/18/2008 11:42:48 AM EDT
[#5]
I am making my way through the posts both here and on Silencer talk.com doing as much research as I can.  I would never try and build one to compete with the Surefires or Gemtecs,  but I am on the prowl for a simple yet effective design.  I mostly want to do it because I will be able to.
8/18/2008 1:00:34 PM EDT
[#6]

Quoted:
I am making my way through the posts both here and on Silencer talk.com doing as much research as I can.  I would never try and build one to compete with the Surefires or Gemtecs,  but I am on the prowl for a simple yet effective design.  I mostly want to do it because I will be able to.


This is about as simple as it gets and still effective but the serial number and other markings do not last very long.  

8/18/2008 2:46:26 PM EDT
[#7]

Quoted:
I am making my way through the posts both here and on Silencer talk.com doing as much research as I can.  I would never try and build one to compete with the Surefires or Gemtecs,  but I am on the prowl for a simple yet effective design.  I mostly want to do it because I will be able to.


Yeah I have a TON of designs in my head! No you cannot have any of them!

I also know a LOT of expedient designs... simple yet elegant... Effective too!!!
Would not be interested in paying $200 to register any of them!