Posted: 6/24/2008 3:16:22 PM EDT
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Well, bend over boys, here it comes. Apparently the resolution passed by MO legislature stating we won't participate in the National ID system was total BS. http://www.komu.com/satellite/SatelliteRender/KOMU.com/ba8a4513-c0a8-2f11-0063-9bd94c70b769/b5f83c90-80ce-0971-01f5-cd31312d232a I guess someone was lobbying HARD for this one. |
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We can all thank our idiot president and his GOP cronies for all this feel-good by making your life a hassle window-dressing bullshit. Instead of actually going out and killing terrorists in the 'Global War on Terror,' we make it more of a hassle for ordinary citizens to get a freakin' drivers license. As if the DMV (or DOR or whatever the fuck it is here) isn't enough of a pain in the ass. The Real ID burdens have mostly already affected us. To get your license now in MO, you have to provide documents that prove your residency, identity, and nationality. I'm not at all in favor of giving licenses to illegals, but can someone tell me why I have to provide my SS# to the DOR? Why does my passport + utility bill not show "residency, identity, and nationality?" It's because the federal gov't wants all this info in a database, and we elect congressmen, senators, and state legislators who go along with this dog & pony show. |
| You want a pain to renew your Drivers License, try a CDL (with hazmat, tanker and airbrakes). I get to go tomorrow and be "printed" (again) for the Transportation Security Administration's "Hazardous Materials Endorsement" that happens to cost me (out of pocket) $89.25 for the fingerprinting, application fee and background check. Work may reimburse me, but I'll believe it IF I get the money back. Should be entertaining when I use my current license and my CCW ID card for verification if ID. |
+1......As a 20+ year veteran of the military and a FFL holder, all that stuff is on file already for me. Im not saying I agree with it, but its just another hassle in my daily life that I learn to deal with. |
I'm not a vet, but I have 2 C&R FFL's, 2 government issued radio licenses working towards 3, I'm required to be bondable by federal law for my employment, the OCC asks questions about me quarterly because the data I have access to. So I'm pretty much in the same boat as ABN-RGR here. Those bitching about the govt collecting information on you, who do you think issues your passport, SSN, and DL, they already have this information, they know where you live, utility companies and banks are required by federal law to keep accurate information on their clients. With the exception of your SSN, height, and weight, the info that applies to RealID, all of that information if considered non-personal information as far as all the privacy laws are concerned. |
[usual libtard argument when ID issues come up] But it's against my rights to ask me to prove that I am who I say I am. It puts an undue stress upon me to require me to attain such an ID, at my expense and on my time. And it's just plain mean of you to require it. No human being is illegal. Save the whales. Holy shit, I need an aspirin. [/usual libtard argument when ID issues come up]
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| Well, as with ABN-RGR and MANY others and everyone else, the .gov has my name, address, ssn, prints, DNA, criminal records and just about everything else about me. It is just gonna be another big brother thing, that's all. I just thought you all would like to know that MO is going to be a hub for it or something like it. |
Missouri DOR didn't have my Social Security number before. Nor did they have an image of the card, collected with my name, DOB, address, etc. that could possibly be compromised.
Yes, it is a hassle. And me showing my Social Security CARD, not just providing the number, for them to image, is stupid. And pointless. My passport proves my identity and nationality. That should suffice.
The C&R FFL, radio stuff, and the banking regulatory burdens are (elective) positions into which you've voluntarily placed yourself, as opposed to customary daily activities like driving a car or flying on a plane - which require an ID/permit. And again, the US Dept of State having my passport application & data, the Social Security Administration having my data, and the DOR having my name/address/DOB (but not my SSN) are a completely diff't animal than a gigantic database maintained by a state agency, provided to the federal gov't that has all that shit combined. It's completely pointless and will do nothing to stop whatever it is they're alleging it'll stop.
 I don't know that I've ever heard someone complain about having to get a drivers license to legally drive a car. If they do, they're fucked up. And I'd hope everyone here would have a problem with someone being required to 1) get, and 2) show some sort of gov't issued ID when they weren't engaged in some sort of activity either requiring ID or weren't suspected of a crime. But again, why should I have to not only provide my Social Security number to DOR, but show them the freakin' card for a drivers license, when my passport establishes my nationality and identity? |
I would vote that driving an automobile and flying on a plane are equally elective. There is a good portion of the population that hasn't and will never fly, and does not have the need to. There is likewise a portion that does not, cannot, and will not drive an automobile, for various reasons, some elective, some not. But, your train of thought is somewhat correct, altho only focusing on Drivers Licenses, which are only 1 form of state issued photo ID subject to RealID, where you could have stumped me, is a Non-Drivers License, which is the only other state issued photo ID. Need for a non-driver license, apart from those of us who prefer to put our CCW on it, is needed by all persons older than 18, who do not otherwise have a drivers license. This is for those non-voluntary things of, getting any job, getting on welfare, doing any government service(jury duty, voting, etc..). Anything that is a necessity of life, not luxuries and voluntaries such as driving a car, purchasing alcohol, buying a firearm, etc... And to your comment about individual government agencies having pieces of data, but not all in one place, data mining, everyone does it, they government already does it to an extent, only right now horribly inefficiently. RealID does not provide the government with any information it doesn't already have, they have it, its just unorganized, regardless of what happens with RealID, the government will eventually have a more complete dataset of everyone and everything, from data they already have, just right now its not in one location. What does it matter to you really if it takes the DOJ 5 seconds or 5 days to find out you own a 57 Studebaker with the tag IH8CATZ. |
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I thought Social Security (SS) regulation prohibits disclosure of SSN to any non-SS related entity or activity? I have refused to provide my SSN to my state's DMV before and they didn't insist further, I believe my Passport should be enough of an solid ID as my citizenship paper. Just because they ask, does not mean you have to provide such private info. The number of govt. laptops and database breach / loss or "misplaced" and the increasing # of ID theft should be alarming enough for non-SSN to even ask for such info as SSN. Google the recent FACTA law -effective Jan 2008 - and see what I am talking about - I just hope the FTC will hold their fellow govt agencies accountable / responsible as they do non-govt organizations, in cases of ID theft and data breach. In regard to the hassle of providing SSN to any DMV, the more places that have the info, the more chances and risks of someone with access to such database will lose, misplace, or allow the info to be stolen due to carelessness, stupidity, etc or multiple combinations thereof. As I have said time and again, it's easier for govt to regulate responsible and law-abiding citizen than criminals ... for the criminals do not and will not follow the laws and rules. Because it's too hard for them to go after the criminals. |