Posted: 2/12/2008 8:32:46 PM EDT
| So basically I want to have my cake and eat it too. I want a good quality 1X4 power illuminated recticle scope. I dont ever plan on shooting over 300 I am only looking to spend $550 or less. Any suggestons? |
| I'm kinda in the same boat. I've been looking at this Weaver scope, but it doesn't go down to 1x (only to 1.5) so it might not be what you are looking for. |
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Get one of the new accupoint's or the new burris XTR Or this one euro diamond |
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I'm thinking about getting a Millet DMS-1. Best deal so far is from Smoke Wagon Gear. Millet DMS-1 $149 |
It can be done if you are patient and shop, and I do mean shop. Bought mine off of Ebay for $525 and it came with a scope cover and the TA51 flat top mount, and yes it's real. I have seen them go for $600-$650 with a mount sometimes on the EE. Just gotta be patient. |
I bought a TA01NSN with a Dr J back up red dot for $800 off the EE. It was in perfect shape and had a ARMS throw lever mount on it. They are out there. I realize this is more than the $500 the OP wanted to spend, but keep your eyes out. |
Acog isn't variable, he's wanting a 1 to 4 power scope. I know, I know put the red-dot on top, well that's cool for shooting or classes, but two optics puts you into open class which puts you into a $$$$ arms race (I'm not saying those guys don't have skills but there is some equip. advantage there) you're running against guys with uber race pistols with sights and huge mags and betas on they're rifles and 10 round tubes with speed loader on their shotguns. I know 69Camaro doesn't want to be in open class, heck he can barely hang with me in tactical optics   HA!!!Polytech |
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I have a DMS-1, mounted up in a LaRue Mount. Mine has the fungus on the lens. However, you only see it in darkness with full illumination, ie in situations where you wouldn't be taking a shot because you're in a box or something. I will be shooting it at the April CMMG. Unless they decide to have all rifle shots under 50 yards or something...heh. |
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This likely won't fall within your budget unless you buy the Chinese knockoffs, but..... Have you considered running a dot/hologram scope and a 3x or 4x magnifier behind it? The only problem I have, "tactically speaking" (and you have no idea how much I despise using the "t" word), with this setup is what happens when one looses their magnifier while it is detached from the rifle? BTW, if anyone comes across a decent priced 3x or 4x magnifier with a mount, I'd like to eventually put one behind an EOTech 552 I have. I would think, given the EOTech's 1 MOA center dot, that a 3-4x magnifier behind it would be better than looking at the 6-16MOA magnified dot of an Aimpoint. |
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Eric, Jake and I bought those magnifier clones and for what it's worth, it's pretty nice. Sitting behind my Bushnell/EOtech it works really well. The mount that comes with it sucks but we bought some throw lever mounts that seem to work great. I'll have to post a photo of it. Poly has seen it. He agree's that it's nice for what it is. I may use it in a 3 gun if I ever get to go to one. I'm sure Poly will be hounding me about the one coming up  .
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You will attend, rain or shine! No option! |
LaRue right now has a nifty swing-away magnifyer mount. And, a combo deal that comes with a 2x (i think) magnifyer that is off of a rocket launcher or something. So, you could pick one of those up, and then save up for the proper aimpoitn/EOTech mag later... (sorry for the spelling and such, I'm all fucked up on DayQuil right now!) |
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I am an iron sight type of guy but last shoot I did try something new. I tried a 2.5x10 variable tasco. This scope when turned down to 2.5 did just fine on all the close targets and whipped up on those a couple hundred yards out. It is not that I want/need magnification, it is that it can be damn hard to find a dark target against a dark hillside in the shade with those itty bitty aperture comp type irons. Sure it looked a bit funny running a cqb type carbine course with a 20" varmit rifle but ya got to remember, it does work pretty damn good, all you have to concentrate on is time, the accuracy is already there. |
After the Championships, where I learned taht I cannot hit 200 yard targets with iron sights on a 16" carbine, I showed up for the July shoot with my Varminter and it's Ginormous 6-24x50mm scope! It got some looks, but I was able to hit those targets! that's what prompted me to start looking for a good 1-4x combat optic, one that would allow me to go from close to mid range stuff without getting all worked up about it. If the CoF is all 150 yards or less, I'll bust out the Iron Sights only rig... |
Really? Erik, BaNo and I in the first Championships shot "Iron Sight" and managed to do better than the scope folks at 250... I shot faster and more accurately at the extended ranges with my 14.5 than a gent with a super scoped rifle... So did Erik and BaNo, Of Course it was drizzling too. Maybe that caused the glass guys problems. |
I don't remember any drizzle, weather was perfect all weekend.... Anyway, I had trouble with the long range shots. Couple reasons for it though: Biggest was my A2 was sighted in with a 25 yard combat zero. That gives me a 9" window at 300 yards. Considering we were trying to hit those pop-down 8" plates, I had my rifle setup poorly.... Second reason, I had never shot a rifle beyond 100 yards up until I layed down on the 'porch' at CMMG. Heh. Well, I learned my lesson, and my AR's have the irons setup on the Improved Zero, the 50/250 one, and I did a hell of a lot of practice over the next couple of months. I later took 3rd place at Tri-County's '3-gun' match, where we had to shoot targets with irons only @ 200 yards, while standing. So, my shooting has much improved since then. I would actually prefer to run open sights. Tactical Iron is a much less crowded division than Tac Optics is!! 
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When we were ROs at the nationals it was amazing what worked and what didnt, what seemed to work best for those that won was practice, imagine that I saw some unbelievable rifles with 2k scopes that couldnt hit the broad side of the barn because of the guy behind it, I also observed some incredible shooters with very unassuming rifles who shot the course as clean as anyone could ever ask. I like some of the scopes I am seeing from Burris
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Ouch! Better dodge that bottle comin' your way Poly. I figure my pistol will be my only saving grace. I've never done a 3 gun and I still have to get a shotty ready. I guess my 1100 will work, but I'll need a new barrel for it. I need some rifle practice too. By the way, what are the rules for pistols? Can I run my limited G35 with the magwell on it or will I need to remove it? What about the trigger work? Fill me in! |
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I figure my pistol will be my only saving grace. I've never done a 3 gun and I still have to get a shotty ready. I guess my 1100 will work, but I'll need a new barrel for it. I need some rifle practice too. 1100 will work, but keep it nice and clean and lubed up. Also keep a few O-rings handy too (dont buy them at rem. get them at the hardware store) You can borrow my shotgun for the next shoot, so you don't have to worry about that. By the way, what are the rules for pistols? Can I run my limited G35 with the magwell on it or will I need to remove it? What about the trigger work? Fill me in![/ The april match is kind of a "club" match, there's no classing, if there is goodies to be given out at the end of the day they just go by the lowest score. However if you were to shoot the Midwest Nationals (in may last year) you will have to meet certain class requirements with all three of your guns, and of course the requirements will depend on the class you want to shoot in. ETA: I'm not worried about 69camaro throwing anything at me, I mean I may be a big guy but I'm small enough that he'll have a hard time hitting me [farley]CAT LIKE SPEED AND REFLEXES![/farley]POLYTECH |
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Now that I have found how affordable the mini red dots are, I may go with something more powerful than the Millet DMS 1-4x. Here's a link to the dots www.tacticalnightvision.com/red_dot_sights.htm I'd probably use the LaRue mount go go with my SPR scope mount. |
Larue Po Boy special for $195 including a $150 Larue mount that can be used with a better magnifier down the road. It uses a 2.5x Hensoldt scope from some tank killer/rocket launcher German device. They went through it, removed the tank killer reticle, recharged it with nitrogen but there is absolutely no warranty given on them at all. Hmmm, that's mighty tempting! C'mon gubmint check!
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Hey polytech I have been shooting cleaner in the last few ISPC courses of fire than you have, but we will see what happens when I have to shoot some plates. Im going to buy the g34 to join the Austrian Allstar team, but theres nothing your glock will do that my fn wont do or do better. Thats right BURN Sizzzle IMM HOOOTTT Too bad we have dinner plans on Friday or we could hash this one out at the bullet hole over a ISPC COF.
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That is tempting me too!
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I can tell you right now my austrian friend carries better than your FN and has much more KICK ASS sights! Also short of the frame, I can buy all the parts, stock or aftermarket
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Wow, I might have to take a look at that Po-Boy special. I like my clone set up, but I'd like the flip-to-the-side mount even better. 69, I like FN's as much as the next guy but they really don't compare! One trigger pull, all of the time. None of that decocking stuff or long DA pull. The sight radius on the 34/35 is nice and long and with a nice brass magwell and a tungsten guide rod it balances quite well and has enough heft to keep the nose down for quick follow ups. Even my G17 that's pretty much stock feels just about right. If you can shoot that FN better then stick with it, otherwise I'd look at a Glock. Or get yourself one of those fancy STI Limited guns and show Poly what humble pie tastes like .
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OK, I just ordered one. I will give a range report when I get it. Thanks for the link Eric.... |
Since you are going to be in Tulsa, you could lend this to a friend to check out for you at the CMMG shoot!! If it is a POS then I will spare you the rounds to check it out. Things that I will do for a friend. John |
Are you going to mount it behind your EOtech or do you want to borrow the aimpoint? |
You should try the Santose zero. Once you are zero, you are good to go from 7 yards out to 225 yards with only +/- 2" elevation deviation between your POI and your POA. |
I think AFSOC is refering to the '06 match, and I believe you're talking about the '07 match |
Ah, got a link for instructions for that one? Sounds interesting. |
It's the Improved Battlesight Zero. The 50yd one... Didn't you already do that to your M4? |
Ah, yes, that's how I have both my AR's sighted in. |
Nope my eotech will work. I have a package for you that showed up today!! |