Posted: 7/17/2007 4:01:58 PM EDT
| The many arguments about getting a non-resident permit somewhere, vs getting a Missouri permit make me want to do this poll and see what us Missourians prefer. |
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Gotta support our permit system, or it just might go away. Wouldn't that be just great.... Sure it's got issues, but overall, it's a pretty good CCW law. I'd like to see the age reduced to 21, and the costs reduced a bit. Otherwise, I'm pretty satisfied with the MO CCW laws. |
I have a FL permit for a similar reason related to living in Jackson County. They didn't want my money at that time so I said screw them and got the FL permit which allowed me to carrry in more states at that time. Now I need to get my MO CCW so I can carry in KS since I work there every day. I would say MO is the way to go now...things have changed. |
I'm with ya on that, Bret. I live on the MO side and also work on the KS side. Personally I'd love to know the particulars of the KS CCW laws. For instance, in MO if "they" don't want you CCWing on their property they have to ask you to leave. If you don't, then they can call the popo, then the popo asks you to leave and it gets nastier from there if you're still being uncooperative. What is the ejection process in KS for CCWing in a place that has posted "no CCW" signs? I've heard it's a Misdeameanor right off the bat. |
It is. The Kansas law is fairly poor when stacked against ours. |
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The Kansas Law is loosely modelled after the MO law, unfortunately it is poorly worded and not terribly specific, whereas MO has to have a specific sized and worded sign, in Kansas apparently the sign merely has to be scrawled in Crayon by a kindergartener to to be legal, and the size of a postage stamp should be fine. Duke should be along one of these days to let us know some more... |
i haven't heard from him in awhile, but bud i didn't even know you were in the hospital. i dont keep up with much since work has been keeping me swamped. as for the CCW, i think all MO people should get MO permit. i know why the STL and KC people did what they did i understand it completely but it was a hard fault battle and i am so glad we have it. Ronald |
I know I'll catch grief for this, but I think the decision should be based on individual needs, for example, I have family scattered all over, If I wanted to travel to see my uncle in Wy, a florida permit would be honored there, wheras a missouri permit would not, however, if I was to spend time in Ia, they honor nobodys, so I would have to take theirs, which missouri does honor as well, so, I really think the reciprocity issue should be looked at before someone makes their decision, Also, don't you get your name in the paper, or on some form of public registry for getting a mo permit?
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Kansas changed the sign law.
Check out the Kansas Attorney General's website for more on Concealed Carry in Kansas. |
I agree that any decisions should be based on your individual needs, but I guess I look at it a little differently than you. I think that we should show the MO lawmakers and public in general that CCW is in fact, something MO residents wanted by getting MO CCW endorsements. Then, if there are any states that don't honor MO's permit that you know want to travel to and carry in, then get additional non-resident permits from other states that will allow you to carry in those states. There's nothing that says you can only have one permit. For now, there are only 2 states that honor a UT permit but not a MO permit: Washington and Wyoming. I can't remember which right now, but one of those states is considering honoring a MO permit, and I want to say it's WY. I'll respect whatever choice you make though even if I don't agree with it. There is also another argument that the MO lawmakers never intended for MO residents to "go around" the MO process by getting non-resident permits from other states. I understand why St. Louis and Jackson county residents went out of state since that was their only option for quite a while, but it's possible the MO legislature might decide to close that "loophole" by requiring MO residents to get a MO CCW to carry in MO. Duke Nukem made this argument much better than I can so hopefully he'll post it again. I haven't heard anything about MO CCW endorsement holders being added to any public registry, but I guess that's possible. If anyone has any proof of this, I'd love to see it. Since I already have a MO CCW endorsement, it won't matter a whole lot, but I'd like to see it anyway. |
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In the true spirit of Arfcom I got both! Actually, I have three. Missouri, Florida and just for kicks I got a Pennsylvania permit. Used to be I would have said I preffered the Fl. permit since it was honored more places but now I don't know. BTW, I did renew my Mo. permit just a month or two back so I guess that should answer that question too. |
Gary what was the renewal process like? Ronald |
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Easy for the most part. Since I had moved to a different county I had to bring along the paperwork I needed when I first applied. A trip to the county sheriffs office, a few minutes talking to the gal who does the permits and I was off to the license bureau to get my new permit. Just like the first time except no fingerprinting and if they did any checks it was very quickly, maybe 15 minutes. Thats about it. |
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from 2003, www.sierratimes.com/03/10/10/ap_mo_guns.htm Missouri to Keep Gun Permit List Secret Associated Press COLUMBIA, Mo. (AP) - If Missouri sheriffs begin issuing permits this month to pack hidden handguns, they will also be concealing the names on the projected 60,000 people who hold them. The new state law authorizing concealed guns, enacted when the Legislature overrode Gov. Bob Holden's veto last month, also bars identification of concealed weapons permit holders - even though separate applications to sheriffs to purchase guns have been open records for years, and remain so. The measure makes it a misdemeanor for law enforcement to disclose names of holders of concealed gun permits issued by Missouri sheriffs. The law is scheduled to take effect Saturday, although a St. Louis judge is considering a challenge to the law and hopes to rule Friday on the request to put it on hold. An Associated Press review of the four concealed gun laws enacted this year - in Colorado, Minnesota, Missouri and New Mexico - showed that each bars public identification by name of permit holders. Legislation was filed but not approved this year in at least two other states - Tennessee and Texas - to close currently accessible listings by name of concealed gun permit holders. Gun control advocates accuse concealed guns boosters and the National Rifle Association of pressing a national strategy to keep the public from scrutinizing who is licensed to carry concealed weapons. ``It's simple: the proponents ... do not want to have news stories that a permit holder pulled a gun and shot someone. The improper use of concealed weapons is the strongest argument we have against these laws,'' said Luis Tolley, spokesman for the Brady Campaign, a leading gun control group. But the NRA strongly defends barring public scrutiny of who is licensed to carry a concealed gun and would like to see lists closed in every state, a spokeswoman said. ``There is no need for the public to know who has a permit,'' said NRA spokeswoman Kelly Hobbs. ``Research has shown that the principal reason right-to-carry laws deter crime is that criminals do not know who is armed.'' Withholding the names of permit holders ``is something we support and we want to see included in all right-to-carry laws,'' she said. In Missouri, the state open records law assumes as basic policy that government paperwork is public unless specifically exempted. Republican state Rep. Larry Crawford said the records closure was put into the concealed gun law because of ``concerns that publicizing who has a license could lead to those people being targeted for theft of their guns.'' Charles Davis, executive director of the Freedom of Information Center at the University of Missouri-Columbia, called the reasons for closing the concealed gun permit lists ``ludicrous.'' For example, Davis said, a parent would not be able to find out independently whether a baby sitter carried a concealed gun, or a homeowner could not learn whether a bothersome neighbor had a permit. He said news organizations would be unable serve the public because they would be unable to report on criminal actions by hidden handgun licensees. ``This is bad public policy on so many levels that it boggles the mind. What the legislators have essentially done is allow government only to have that data, so therefore the public has no way to answer any questions about the holders of these permits,'' Davis said. ``This essentially says there is no public interest in knowing who has concealed weapons permits, and I would disagree fundamentally with that.'' The Missouri Press Association, which represents the state's daily and weekly newspapers, objects to the closed records and will seek to get the records opened next year, said executive director Doug Crews. Crawford said he would be willing to discuss ``technical changes,'' perhaps including the records closure. ``But I'd rather let the law work for a couple of years,'' he said. Missouri became the 45th state to authorize concealed guns in some way, with the override of Holden's veto. Advocates say the laws have contributed to drops in violent crime by deterring criminals unsure whether a potential victim might be armed. Holden and other critics say more guns in circulation will lead to more gun violence. |
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Dont forget abt New Hampshire for a cheap out of state permit (20.00). I believe you do have to have another permit 1st to get the NH OOS permit. I already had a FL permit and figured another 20.00/permit couldnt hurt. Yes, I am in the process of getting my MO permit.  scottMO |