Posted: 4/9/2004 8:39:42 AM EDT
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Picked up our concealed carry certificates this morning. 24 days total from application to issue in Callaway County. Sheriff Crane and his helpful, friendly staff have our thanks and support for doing this right when so many others are still waffling. |
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Damn! I should have mine already, the most of the others that applied when I did have picked them up in the last couple of days. For some reason mine is taking longer. It is really pissing me off.... Oh well, maybe this weekend or next week. It has to come sometime, they may not want to give it to me but they have to. |
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Callaway County is just East of Columbia. The great metropolis of Fulton is the county seat. Someone from the sheriffs' office phoned my wife and told her both of our certificates were ready. We signed, the staffer signed, she stamped them(looks like a notary seal), and we were out the door, 2 or 3 minutes later. Throughout the whole thing all the staff at the Dept. have been very nice. With all the negativity surrounding this, I guess I just figured that would affect the attitude at the Dept. I have been, very happily, proven wrong. |
Yup, you sure can. Kpel, I got a letter from Chief Denny Nau of centre county the otther day. He sent my check back with a note saying some judge there decide they can't issue to us unless we already have a missouri permit. Amd finally I have still not recieved word about my permit. Someone is wrong and if I read the law correctly it has to be at the federal level. But then again I am not real sure if the local police care about following the law anyway so who really knows. All I can say is I have not gotten a screw you letter (application denied letter) or had my number come up. I have read and reread the law so many times... the bastards better not be yanking my chain.... |
I consider myself fortunate to have a law abiding sheriff here in Pettis County  This is a good site to see which counties have issued permits thus far: www.missouricarry.com/forums/viewforum.php?f=1&sid=7d733d6713899e6af347b8f9893334ee I feel for those who cannot acquire a MO LTC permit, I know I would be pissed. Perhaps those that cannot get a permit can get someone like CMMG to offer a course that satisfies the requirements for a non-resident Florida Permit. |
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I'll probably get flamed for this but.... I don't like the "out of state loophole" in this law. As I understand it, one can mail in their app. and a photo copy of their license and get a permit from PA, without taking the required safety class or being 23 years old. That seems to violate the "spirit of the law" to me. Now, I'm sure most people here don't really need the cheesy safety class. But your average Wal-mart patron packing heat w/ no training....not good. |
Ok, hopefully not a flame but in my opinion it is like a drivers license. Some states are far stricter than others but should california not recognize alaska's drivers license because the standards are not the same? Besides there are already hundreds/thousands of missourians carrying, for years even. They are criminals and they scare me far more than someone who has bothered to actually get a license regardless of where it came from. I honestly believe the whole "who has a gun here" thing is far overblown. At any given time I would bet less than one out of every few hundred people you see each day will be packing heat. And where I work at the rate will be far higher for illegally carrying (which has been going on since whenever) than the few legal carriers. Oh, I work in north St. Louis, the source of most of the violence that has made St. L the second most dangerous city in the US. (Damn you detroit, last year we were number one) BTW, I just got my check and application returned from Pa, it seems they will not issue a permit to a resident of a state that has a permit system in place unless that person already has a permit from their home state. So your point is actually moot. Missourians can not get a Pa permit unless they already have a Mo permit. Go figure the logic of that. If you (or anyone else) wants to see the letter explaining this from centre county, Pa. let me know, I will scan it and email to whoever asks. |
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MP906: Sorry, LT, I'm going to have to disagree with you. In Vermont, no permit is necessary. The last time I checked the Constitution of the United States of America, it said, "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people, to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed." Every damned permit and registration we have to go through is an infringement on that right. I comply with the law only because I am a law-abiding man. I still think it is wrong. Where does it say I have to wait for a Sheriff to decide if he is going to comply with a law? BTW: I got my letter back from Denny Nau saying "Sorry, no cigar."  Here in St. Louis, I am a certified firearms instructor who cannot carry because Col. Batelle still doesn't believe he has to comply with the law. How do you suppose I go about legally carrying if I do NOT get a Florida permit? |
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Kpel, well, that's a whole different problem with this law. The whole damn state needs to be on the same page. All this vagueness and inconsistency is ridiculus and makes us look bad as a state. I just think, in general, it is bad for MO residents to be getting out of state licenses and never even getting a MO license. That's not the way the legislator planned for the people of MO to have CCW IMO. I'd like to see them fix the funding issues so all counties are the same and make it mandatory for MO residents to get MO permits. As for the Sheriffs, well, who knows, it's a political job, maybe they want to make a statement. That's messed up too, and makes this state look even more backwards. Having said that, if I was in your situation I'd do the same damn thing! GaryM, I see your point, but even driver's licenses require training before you get one, regardless of the state. |
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MP906: How about putting it this way? All this vagueness and inconsistency makes it harder for ordinary people to know and follow the rules, and gives the anti-gunners more options to use against us in their frivolous, never-ending law suits. I think that's something we can all agree on. |
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Complying with the CCW law by getting a permit or license from another state, city, or division thereof, was put into the language of the law to specifically thwart Col. Batelle and Joe "SCREW YOU, OFFICER" Mokwa. They believe they are not only above the law, but that they ARE the law. I comply with the law, even if I disagree with it. They do not. NEXT! 
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