Posted: 12/31/2008 6:11:19 PM EDT
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As a police/fire/EMS dispatcher would I fall into?
I.C. 35-44-3-12 Section 12, Clause 10 (10) a person who possesses or uses a police radio during the normal course of the
person's lawful business. Which allows a person to listen while in a vehicle. I'm 1000% sure I could get my chief to sign off if that clause doesn't apply. Just curious. |
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What am I missing? I know guys who scanners in their rigs along with CB radios, all fine and legal. If you get pulled over while speeding it can be considered "while in the commission of a crime." LOL whoops errr uh I mean I know guys who DO NOT have scanners in their rigs along with CB radios. 
I seriously never knew that was illegal, obviously alot of people violate that law with the little hand held police scanners in their cars. |
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What am I missing? I know guys who scanners in their rigs along with CB radios, all fine and legal. If you get pulled over while speeding it can be considered "while in the commission of a crime." LOL whoops errr uh I mean I know guys who DO NOT have scanners in their rigs along with CB radios.
I seriously never knew that was illegal, obviously alot of people violate that law with the little hand held police scanners in their cars. I don't know if its illegal or not, just read the link to the IC I posted. Interpret for yourself. |
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Can we get a citation on the Ham Radio execemption? Having a HAM lic doesn't make it "lawful business" to have one in your car, unless your HAM is for your business.
ETA: also, as local LEO and State officers have all said it's a "no no" when I asked them about it, this needs citation and printing. I was told "having one in the car is not bad, having one on is bad, and having one off but in reach would be 'on'". |
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Can we get a citation on the Ham Radio execemption? Having a HAM lic doesn't make it "lawful business" to have one in your car, unless your HAM is for your business. ETA: also, as local LEO and State officers have all said it's a "no no" when I asked them about it, this needs citation and printing. I was told "having one in the car is not bad, having one on is bad, and having one off but in reach would be 'on'". Here is what you wanted: This is the law exemptions, (b) Subsection (a)(1) and (a)(2) do not apply to: (1) a governmental entity; (2) a regularly employed law enforcement officer; (3) a common carrier of persons for hire whose vehicles are used in emergency service; (4) a public service or utility company whose vehicles are used in emergency service; (5) a person who has written permission from the chief executive officer of a law enforcement agency to possess a police radio; (6) a person who holds an amateur radio license issued by the Federal Communications Commission if the person is not transmitting over a frequency assigned for police emergency purposes; (7) a person who uses a police radio only in the person's dwelling or place of business; Bob ETA asking a cop is not always the best. A great percentage of them make shit up as they go along. |
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Why would you want one in your vehicle????????? Why not. It is the same answer as why do you need a gun like that there machine gun. It is a hobby like a lot of things. I have 2 scanners going and a 2 meter radio in the other room now. You can stay informed about a bunch of shit. Some could save your life. Bob |
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Why would you want one in your vehicle????????? Why not. It is the same answer as why do you need a gun like that there machine gun. It is a hobby like a lot of things. I have 2 scanners going and a 2 meter radio in the other room now. You can stay informed about a bunch of shit. Some could save your life. Bob Your statement sums it up........."why do you need a gun like that there machine gun." Made me laugh really good, thanks. What "that there" machine gun do I own?? How can having a police scanner save your life? Unless you are a cop wanna be, are very nosey, or a drug dealer........YOU DON'T NEED ONE!! |
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Why would you want one in your vehicle????????? Why not. It is the same answer as why do you need a gun like that there machine gun. It is a hobby like a lot of things. I have 2 scanners going and a 2 meter radio in the other room now. You can stay informed about a bunch of shit. Some could save your life. Bob Your statement sums it up........."why do you need a gun like that there machine gun." Made me laugh really good, thanks. What "that there" machine gun do I own?? How can having a police scanner save your life? Unless you are a cop wanna be, are very nosey, or a drug dealer........YOU DON'T NEED ONE!! Weather I used mine to get 17 miles home when the recent hurricane came through. terrorist attack chemical leaks police chases coming your way (see traffic fatalities) And before you say shit about my 4 examples, those will probably happen before you use your gun to protect you or your family. I am nosey and it is my right as a ham operator and your right also under the communications act of 1934 to receive whatever is legal to do so. Label me what you will but unless your a cop wanna be or military wanna be you just need a 10-22 and a Taurus .38 
Some reading for you since you ask. link Link Also knowledge is power. Being informed is the way to be prepared. What if you are 20 miles from home during a natural disaster or attack. I bet you would like to here public service then? Oh wait your scanner is at home. Radios are part of my life like my guns are, like my get home bag that me and the wife carry in our cars and like the knives that are in each car. Last post on this subject. I hope you can not see through your comments and my rhetoric toward them. Bob |
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Unless you are a cop wanna be, are very nosey, or a drug dealer........YOU DON'T NEED ONE!! Yup very true.. **Who needs a $10MM mansion? **Who needs a car that can go from 0-100 in 8 seconds? **Hell, who needs a wife with DD nockers? Glad this is America and that we are NOT required to prove that we need something to be able to HAVE IT. God Bless America and the Constitution!! |
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Unless you are a cop wanna be, are very nosey, or a drug dealer........YOU DON'T NEED ONE!! Why the hell do I carry a gun everyday if all I have to do is call 911? Idiology like that is the way of the liberal. I am an empowered American citizen. I will exercise any and all rights that I have. If you cannot understand that I pity you. I hate to sound so harsh, but that is the way I believe. |
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Illegal as hell. Why I do not know. A lot of states are like this. There are a few exception, being a ham radio operator is one. Bob general class ham It is illegal because scanners have effectively been used time and again to avoid Police or coordinate resistance against Police during the commission of a crime. Regardless of whether you agree with the law, it should be pretty obvious why it is illegal. Secure comms is a tactical benefit for anyone in a job that requires confrontation. Police, Military, Security, etc. I think the solution is having encrypted radios, as it is impossibe to effectively regulate scanners, but my deptartment won't spend the money. If you responded to a hot call and your safety depended on whether or not the bad guys could hear your radio traffic, you might understand better. That said, I think the fault is on us (Police) for not staying ahead of the technology. I don't know why we continue to transmit on open frequencies without encryption (I guess I know, the almighty dollar). |
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Illegal as hell. Why I do not know. A lot of states are like this. There are a few exception, being a ham radio operator is one. Bob general class ham It is illegal because scanners have effectively been used time and again to avoid Police or coordinate resistance against Police during the commission of a crime. Regardless of whether you agree with the law, it should be pretty obvious why it is illegal. Secure comms is a tactical benefit for anyone in a job that requires confrontation. Police, Military, Security, etc. I think the solution is having encrypted radios, as it is impossibe to effectively regulate scanners, but my deptartment won't spend the money. If you responded to a hot call and your safety depended on whether or not the bad guys could hear your radio traffic, you might understand better. That said, I think the fault is on us (Police) for not staying ahead of the technology. I don't know why we continue to transmit on open frequencies without encryption (I guess I know, the almighty dollar). Excuse me......Operarional Security=using a department issued cell phone/push to talk phone. Police departments do this now more than ever. Anyone can have a scanner in their house. That fact alone blows your arguement out of the water. I could have a scanner at a fixed location that is not being tageted by the Police, but what keeps me from calling some douche bag that is being targeted to tell him that he is? |
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Illegal as hell. Why I do not know. A lot of states are like this. There are a few exception, being a ham radio operator is one. Bob general class ham It is illegal because scanners have effectively been used time and again to avoid Police or coordinate resistance against Police during the commission of a crime. Regardless of whether you agree with the law, it should be pretty obvious why it is illegal. Secure comms is a tactical benefit for anyone in a job that requires confrontation. Police, Military, Security, etc. I think the solution is having encrypted radios, as it is impossibe to effectively regulate scanners, but my deptartment won't spend the money. If you responded to a hot call and your safety depended on whether or not the bad guys could hear your radio traffic, you might understand better. That said, I think the fault is on us (Police) for not staying ahead of the technology. I don't know why we continue to transmit on open frequencies without encryption (I guess I know, the almighty dollar). Excuse me......Operarional Security=using a department issued cell phone/push to talk phone. Police departments do this now more than ever. Anyone can have a scanner in their house. That fact alone blows your arguement out of the water. I could have a scanner at a fixed location that is not being tageted by the Police, but what keeps me from calling some douche bag that is being targeted to tell him that he is? Cell phones work well for their intended purpose, communication between 2 parties. We use them frequently and they are especially useful when there is intel that the target person or location has access to a scanner. They are fine when we have lots of time to coordinate but are essentiually useless on in progress calls due to their inherent limitations. While responding to a robbery, for example, it is necessary to disseminate a large amount of information to a large number of people in a very short amount of time. This is not possible with phones. Another example would be coordination of a tactical assault. We conducted training a while back in which I got to play the role of a hostage taker. I took a handheld scanner with me and was able to track a large amount of traffic from the responding team. They used phones when possible but to relay real time intel and to coordinate movements when approaching for an assault on a building using phones is at best impractical and at worst dangerous. You can't be fumbling around with a phone while approaching a building or in the middle of a firefight. These reasons, as well as others, are why you have not seen phones replace Police radios. As to what keeps a guy with a fixed scanner making a phone call to the bad guy? Nothing. Which brings me back to my original point, Police need to use encrypted radio channels. |
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Yes, I was playing a criminal. True, most people are not criminals.
That doesn't change the fact that compromised communications are dangerous for LE. For the record I do not, have not, and never will support any "police state" in this country. I find it odd, but somewhat telling, that you would jump to such a conclusion based on my chosen profession. I merely pointed out why there was a law regarding scanners and why cell phones are not the solution. You jumping to conclusions is no better than someone calling you (or me) psycho for being a firearms enthusiast. For what it's worth, the only time I've seen that charge locally was when a group was using scanners to avoid Police while breaking into cars. I have, on the other hand, heard of many instances where the non-criminal but law ignorant average Joe was told "Hey, that's illegal. Don't use it in your vehicle." |
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Yup very true.. **Who needs a $10MM mansion? **Who needs a car that can go from 0-100 in 8 seconds? **Hell, who needs a wife with DD nockers? Glad this is America and that we are NOT required to prove that we need something to be able to HAVE IT. God Bless America and the Constitution!! |
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Once again the laws make something illegal because a criminal used the device. At this rate everything will be illegal.
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Illegal as hell. Why I do not know. A lot of states are like this. There are a few exception, being a ham radio operator is one. Bob general class ham It is illegal because scanners have effectively been used time and again to avoid Police or coordinate resistance against Police during the commission of a crime. Regardless of whether you agree with the law, it should be pretty obvious why it is illegal. Secure comms is a tactical benefit for anyone in a job that requires confrontation. Police, Military, Security, etc. I think the solution is having encrypted radios, as it is impossibe to effectively regulate scanners, but my deptartment won't spend the money. If you responded to a hot call and your safety depended on whether or not the bad guys could hear your radio traffic, you might understand better. That said, I think the fault is on us (Police) for not staying ahead of the technology. I don't know why we continue to transmit on open frequencies without encryption (I guess I know, the almighty dollar). |
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Once again the laws make something illegal because a criminal used the device. At this rate everything will be illegal.
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Illegal as hell. Why I do not know. A lot of states are like this. There are a few exception, being a ham radio operator is one. Bob general class ham It is illegal because scanners have effectively been used time and again to avoid Police or coordinate resistance against Police during the commission of a crime. Regardless of whether you agree with the law, it should be pretty obvious why it is illegal. Secure comms is a tactical benefit for anyone in a job that requires confrontation. Police, Military, Security, etc. I think the solution is having encrypted radios, as it is impossibe to effectively regulate scanners, but my deptartment won't spend the money. If you responded to a hot call and your safety depended on whether or not the bad guys could hear your radio traffic, you might understand better. That said, I think the fault is on us (Police) for not staying ahead of the technology. I don't know why we continue to transmit on open frequencies without encryption (I guess I know, the almighty dollar). Damn, a thinking American. Very astute and too the point. Bob |