Posted: 11/24/2008 6:26:20 AM EDT
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The lexis nexis link for the Md gun laws isn't working. A friend of mine lives in Bear De and I told him about the Elk Neck range. Is there any state/local laws he needs to know about? He's planning on bringing an AK (semi auto and std 16"bbl of course) and has threaded bbl, bayo lug and 30rd mags is he gtg, or does he need to bring 10rd only? From what I know he can have 30rd mags in Md you just can't buy them in Md right? He said can't make an arfcom account cause he uses yahoo for email.....?
what about 33rd Glock mags, 75rd AK drum, 10rd 12ga mag 20rd 12ga drum? Anything he should be aware of besides common sense traveling/gun safety stuff please post here. I told him about bringing his own target stand and stuff, he's more concerned with not knowing all the Md laws vs. what he's used to in De. Thanks in advance for anyones time |
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The lexis nexis link for the Md gun laws isn't working. A friend of mine lives in Bear De and I told him about the Elk Neck range. Is there any state/local laws he needs to know about? He's planning on bringing an AK (semi auto and std 16"bbl of course) and has threaded bbl, bayo lug and 30rd mags is he gtg, or does he need to bring 10rd only? From what I know he can have 30rd mags in Md you just can't buy them in Md right? You are correct. what about 33rd Glock mags, 75rd AK drum, 10rd 12ga mag 20rd 12ga drum? Anything he should be aware of besides common sense traveling/gun safety stuff please post here. I told him about bringing his own target stand and stuff, he's more concerned with not knowing all the Md laws vs. what he's used to in De. Thanks in advance for anyones time If he brings handguns, it's illegal to make any stops other than the range or gun shop. And he does need to bring his own targets to Elk Neck. |
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Not a lawyer here, but this is how I've understood it to be.
The magazine restrictions are on buying/selling IN the State. You may legally possess them and transport them, just can't sell them to someone else inside the State. Most firearms are legal. Rifles and shotguns are good. MD is actually Class III friendly, so even full autos, suppressors and so on are good. Just comply with Federal law (keep a copy of your Form 1, 4 or whatever and the 5320.20 for interstate transport). There is a restriction on 'Assault Pistols', these are basically your MAC's, AR pistols, AK pistols and the like. If it is considered a handgun per federal law and has a mag well outside the pistol grip, probably not legal to possess in the Free State of Maryland. Firearms should be kept out of reach of driver and passengers in the vehicle. So transport firearms with them in the trunk of a car or stowed behind the seat in a pickup without locking bed storage. If he wants to be particular, he can lock up his gun cases (not required, but sometimes a worthy good faith effort should he be pulled over). Don't stop in MD on the way to or from the range (skip dinner, a trip to the mall or short stop in at the hardware store). The final word of caution, loaded magazines are considered a loaded weapon while transporting in the State. So make sure he doesn't have ANY magazines loaded while in transport to or from the range. Best to keep ammunition in a separate container from guns and magazines (a different bag or box is adequate). |
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The final word of caution, loaded magazines are considered a loaded weapon while transporting in the State. So make sure he doesn't have ANY magazines loaded while in transport to or from the range. Best to keep ammunition in a separate container from guns and magazines (a different bag or box is adequate). You can carry loaded magazines as long as they are detached from the gun and stored separately. Check the "md transporting laws and loaded magazines" sticky. |
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The final word of caution, loaded magazines are considered a loaded weapon while transporting in the State. So make sure he doesn't have ANY magazines loaded while in transport to or from the range. Best to keep ammunition in a separate container from guns and magazines (a different bag or box is adequate). You can carry loaded magazines as long as they are detached from the gun and stored separately. Check the "md transporting laws and loaded magazines" sticky. You might beat the rap, but you won't beat the ride. And several people haven't beaten the rap either. MSP considers a weapon loaded if there are loaded mags in the vehicle, even if they are separate from the firearm. ETA-bring your own target. The center of which has to be 4 feet off the ground. |
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The final word of caution, loaded magazines are considered a loaded weapon while transporting in the State. So make sure he doesn't have ANY magazines loaded while in transport to or from the range. Best to keep ammunition in a separate container from guns and magazines (a different bag or box is adequate). You can carry loaded magazines as long as they are detached from the gun and stored separately. Check the "md transporting laws and loaded magazines" sticky. You might beat the rap, but you won't beat the ride. And several people haven't beaten the rap either. MSP considers a weapon loaded if there are loaded mags in the vehicle, even if they are separate from the firearm. ETA-bring your own target. The center of which has to be 4 feet off the ground. Well craptastic then. |
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Thanks for the replies. Loaded mags aren't worth the possible hassle. Does the no stops thing only apply to handguns? I know I'd leave mine at home for a fast eddies burger! No stops at all. Rifle/shotgun/handgun...doesn't matter. Now, in practice...it doesn't always work out that way. |
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The no stops thing is for handguns only.
Rifles/shotguns can be in your car everyday/everywhere as long as they aren't loaded. Please review the stickied transporting thread, it covers handguns and longarms. Rifles and Shotguns. § 10-410. Restrictions on hunting wildlife generally [Amendment subject to abrogation]. (c) Hunting from vehicles.- (1) A person may not ..., possess in or on an automobile or other vehicle a loaded handgun or shotgun, or a rifle containing any ammunition in the magazine or chamber. |
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The no stops thing is for handguns only. Rifles/shotguns can be in your car everyday/everywhere as long as they aren't loaded. Please review the stickied transporting thread, it covers handguns and longarms. Rifles and Shotguns. § 10-410. Restrictions on hunting wildlife generally [Amendment subject to abrogation]. (c) Hunting from vehicles.- (1) A person may not ..., possess in or on an automobile or other vehicle a loaded handgun or shotgun, or a rifle containing any ammunition in the magazine or chamber. Whaaaaa? Well, I'm gonna double check this and if it's true, My AR is going in the trunk! I'm pretty sure this is directly related to hunting activity, however. This statement also goes directly to the fact that MSP doesn't like loaded mags. ETA-Son of a bitch, I'll eat my hat! Rifles and shotguns may be transported
in a vehicle for any reason. But the weapons must be unloaded and secured in commercial cases or gun racks regardless of whether one has a permit. |
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so you can have an AR15 in the trunk of your car in MD at all times?(as long as it is unloaded and seperate from the mag or ammo)? I was aware of long guns and shotguns but thought that assault rifles were not ok.
and as far as the loaded mag thing goes it seems to me that the law clearly does not state that a loaded magazine is a loaded gun, so if we live according to what they "say" and what the law does not then that just gives them more room to tell us how to live outside of the written law! So as far as I am concerned they need to read the law again! |
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The law is not clear if the magazine must be attached to the gun to be considered a loaded weapon so leaving the mags unloaded is a good precaution.
SBRs, SBSs and AOWs are also covered under the handgun statute for transporting to/from the range only. 'Assault pistols' are the only items that are outright banned, there's a specific list you can find with Google. Kharn |
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AK pistols are not on the banned 'assault pistols' list.
§ 4-301. "Assault pistol" defined. In this subtitle, "assault pistol" means any of the following firearms or a copy regardless of the producer or manufacturer: (1) AA Arms AP-9 semiautomatic pistol; (2) Bushmaster semiautomatic pistol; (3) Claridge HI-TEC semiautomatic pistol; (4) D Max Industries semiautomatic pistol; (5) Encom MK-IV, MP-9, or MP-45 semiautomatic pistol; (6) Heckler and Koch semiautomatic SP-89 pistol; (7) Holmes MP-83 semiautomatic pistol; (8) Ingram MAC 10/11 semiautomatic pistol and variations including the Partisan Avenger and the SWD Cobray; (9) Intratec TEC-9/DC-9 semiautomatic pistol in any centerfire variation; (10) P.A.W.S. type semiautomatic pistol; (11) Skorpion semiautomatic pistol; (12) Spectre double action semiautomatic pistol (Sile, F.I.E., Mitchell); (13) UZI semiautomatic pistol; (14) Weaver Arms semiautomatic Nighthawk pistol; or (15) Wilkinson semiautomatic "Linda" pistol. |
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From what I've been able to find and read (with the exception of one post above), it looks as though there's no laws against bringing an AK pistol to a range in Md ? Anyone care to confirm or deny this? None that I'm aware of. Though arguing that to the cops might prove expensive. |
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I don't think there'd be any arguing with cops. 1. There shouldn't be a reason to interact, 2 if they did see it and looked into it, they'd look at the ban list and that should be the end of it.
I was up in De yesterday and my friend and I went over to Md and checked Elk Neck out, it looked like a nice place, I think we might make some somewhat regular visits there when I come up. |
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From what I've been able to find and read (with the exception of one post above), it looks as though there's no laws against bringing an AK pistol to a range in Md ? Anyone care to confirm or deny this? None that I'm aware of. Though arguing that to the cops might prove expensive. Actually had an LEO at the range a while back ask about my M92 pistol. I built it in Nebraska before I got orders out here. While I can't sell it in MD or to any MD resident (it's not on the "approved" handgun roster) it's not illegal for me to possess it. |
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He asked if I was an MD resident, to which I replied I'm an Iowa taxpayer living here due to military duty. I said "I'm guessing because you don't see many of these, right?" and smiled. He returned the smile and I went on that I'd built it in Nebraska then got orders out to MD. he thanked me for being open and I offered to let him shoot it.
The fireball always makes 'em grin. 
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