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9/8/2009 1:43:54 PM EDT
In these trying financial times I have been looking to invest in some durable goods. Well, at least goods that can make me more durable.

I see that EGI Tactical has their "Light Jungle Kit Special" with a Tactical Tailor TTRAC Releasable Armor Carrier with L III rifle plate. I currently have an LC-2 belt with suspenders that carry my two 4-cell mag pouches, drop bag, medical pouch, drop leg holster, and butt pack.

Could the armor carrier in question be worn over the suspenders? I'm thinking that it might not "ride right" and may be uncomfortable. I like my Load bearing setup and would hate to relocate everything to a vest. I posted this here because I figure a few of you have seen my setup  over the previous training season and would have an idea of what I'm talking about.

What say you Denizens of Arfcom MN? Will it work?
9/8/2009 2:14:25 PM EDT
[#1]
If you're using LCE / ALICE type setup, you're probably better off wearing the the LCE gear OVER the plate carrier...

Earlier body armor setups used soft armor, then layered plates on top of that, and THEN on top of that they added their load bearing / ammo stuff...

Worked for lots of people for many years...

However, I DO really like the great deal you can get from the EGI Tactical setup - and I'd recommend if you go that route, to eventually just buy a few MOLLE pouches (you can get them for dirt cheap used sometimes), and try to see if you can reconfigure your loadout to run smoothly as one integrated package...  Those multi-hit strike plates are pretty nice looking though!  I think I'll have to buy one soon!  
9/8/2009 5:32:08 PM EDT
[#2]
why the need for body armor?
9/8/2009 5:33:06 PM EDT
[#3]
Quoted:
why the need for body armor?


Because I can.
9/8/2009 7:03:18 PM EDT
[#4]
I don't know Gorto. I spent some $ on my setup (level III plates) but wish I bought more guns and ammo and survival stuff.
9/9/2009 2:29:09 AM EDT
[#5]
Quoted:
I don't know Gorto. I spent some $ on my setup (level III plates) but wish I bought more guns and ammo and survival stuff.


I hear you. Between the Europe trip, my Grail order, and accelerated procurement of survival goodies money has been tight this season. Lots of guns, parts, and survival stuff still on the list. The armor isn't on the top of the list but it is definitely on the radar.

I always thought it was much more expensive than EGI has it for.
9/9/2009 7:44:06 AM EDT
[#6]
Quoted:
why the need for body armor?


Need has got nothing to do with it...  And in the event you ever might actually NEED it - wouldn't it be nice to HAVE it already?  Instead of yelling, "TIME OUT!!!  I'm sorry, you won't believe this, but...  I forgot to buy body armor!  Do you mind waiting here while I go out & get some, then come back?  It'll only take a few minutes!"

I don't foresee a NEED for it in the immediate future - but it's nice to have incase the need ever arises.

I agree though - you should have more ammo, food, and hydration preps all sorted out before you buy armor.

9/9/2009 1:39:33 PM EDT
[#7]
Quoted:

I agree though - you should have more ammo, food, and hydration preps all sorted out before you buy armor.



If I need my hydration preps / MREs you betch'a  body armor will probably be required shortly after that....
9/9/2009 2:10:34 PM EDT
[#8]
Quoted:
why the need for body armor?


3 gunners!

9/9/2009 2:45:15 PM EDT
[#9]
Quoted:
Quoted:
why the need for body armor?


Need has got nothing to do with it...  And in the event you ever might actually NEED it - wouldn't it be nice to HAVE it already?  Instead of yelling, "TIME OUT!!!  I'm sorry, you won't believe this, but...  I forgot to buy body armor!  Do you mind waiting here while I go out & get some, then come back?  It'll only take a few minutes!"

I don't foresee a NEED for it in the immediate future - but it's nice to have incase the need ever arises.

I agree though - you should have more ammo, food, and hydration preps all sorted out before you buy armor.



Can you really ever have enough ammo though? Talk about an unreachable goal...
9/9/2009 5:50:36 PM EDT
[#10]
Quoted:
Quoted:

I agree though - you should have more ammo, food, and hydration preps all sorted out before you buy armor.



If I need my hydration preps / MREs you betch'a  body armor will probably be required shortly after that....


Yeah, no kidding, If a guy cannot get a clean glass of water in the city the wheels will have pretty much come off and it is every man for himself.

Course, if it got that bad I wouldn't need body armor, I would need a tank to get out of here.
9/9/2009 6:18:47 PM EDT
[#11]




Quoted:


why the need for body armor?


Have you ever been drilled by  a ricochet?







9/10/2009 6:23:13 AM EDT
[#12]
Gorto, you may consider posting this in the Gear forums or Survival Forums.

For your setup, you would be well served by IIIA soft armor.  If you want plates, then go with the plate carrier and ditch the ALICE gear, it's 2009.
9/10/2009 3:06:10 PM EDT
[#13]
Yeah, more then once. And I didn't have armor...lived to tell about it too!
9/10/2009 11:10:41 PM EDT
[#14]
Quoted:
why the need for body armor?


Let me ask you this lilpayne...

Why are we granted the right to keep and bear arms?

Well we actually aren't granted the right to keep and bear arms, our founding documents stated our rights were natural rights and not any rights given to us from a government.

You answer the question I asked you and you just might find the same answer you are looking for.

The right to keep and bear arms isn't about hunting or about you/me defending ourselfs against home-invasions(granted, it's an added bonus)

The founders of this country and the framers of our Constitution gave us the right to keep and bear arms to protect ourselves from a Tryanical Goverment and for no other reason...

For the most part, firearms are either a defensive or offensive weapon. My educated guess is most people use firearms as defensive tools(I'm talking the folks that legally can own them). So if most people that use a firearm as a defensive tool, wouldn't it be a good guess that most of the people that  want to carry or own a gun want it for the same reason that the same type of people would want to wear body armor to protect themselves? Isn't owning or wearing body armor just an extension of our Second Ammendment Rights? The Right to protect ourselves?

Don

9/11/2009 3:28:03 AM EDT
[#15]
Quoted:
why the need for body armor?


Part of freedom is being free to make the choices we want, so long as it does not take something from or infringe upon another. You may not see a need for it, but I'll bet I could find something of yours that I don't see a need for. Do what works for you in life, and leave your neighbor to their own business.
9/11/2009 6:37:17 AM EDT
[#16]
Lets not get over that body armor makes us better looking arm chair commandos

9/11/2009 11:41:34 AM EDT
[#17]
Quoted:
Quoted:
why the need for body armor?


Let me ask you this lilpayne...

Why are we granted the right to keep and bear arms?

Well we actually aren't granted the right to keep and bear arms, our founding documents stated our rights were natural rights and not any rights given to us from a government.

You answer the question I asked you and you just might find the same answer you are looking for.

The right to keep and bear arms isn't about hunting or about you/me defending ourselfs against home-invasions(granted, it's an added bonus)

The founders of this country and the framers of our Constitution gave us the right to keep and bear arms to protect ourselves from a Tryanical Goverment and for no other reason...

For the most part, firearms are either a defensive or offensive weapon. My educated guess is most people use firearms as defensive tools(I'm talking the folks that legally can own them). So if most people that use a firearm as a defensive tool, wouldn't it be a good guess that most of the people that  want to carry or own a gun want it for the same reason that the same type of people would want to wear body armor to protect themselves? Isn't owning or wearing body armor just an extension of our Second Ammendment Rights? The Right to protect ourselves?

Don



Well put!
9/11/2009 12:28:30 PM EDT
[#18]
This question comes up routinely and body armor is very much a personal thing in regards to the "insurance value" of the purchase.

For small arms/handgun caliber, it is effective. As any cop who has been shot and lived to tell.

I am not going to say you DON'T need it, but, you really need to take a long hard look at how else you can avoid a situation where you MIGHT need to have it.