Posted: 6/3/2013 10:43:07 AM EDT
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I will be in and around Louisville this weeken and I have a couple questions.
If I am pulled over do I have a duty to notify the officer I am carrying? Other than schools what are the no go places I should be aware of? ie: bars,restaurants that serve,parks and so on. Thanks in advance Smithy |
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No you are not required to tell them you are carrying. No bars, no liquor stores, no hospitals. If its a restaurant that has a bar area (like Appleby's) your fine as long as you sit at a table for eating, you cant sit at the bar, you can drink while eating. You sure about that? |
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No you are not required to tell them you are carrying. No bars, no liquor stores, no hospitals. If its a restaurant that has a bar area (like Appleby's) your fine as long as you sit at a table for eating, you cant sit at the bar, you can drink while eating. You sure about that? Unless something has changed and I'm not aware of it, you do NOT have to inform. It is suggested to inform, but not required. |
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Signs do not carry the weight of the law.
You can carry in a liquor store also. http://www.kentuckystatepolice.org/conceal.htm A concealed firearm SHALL NOT be carried in the following places: Police station or sheriff's office. Detention facility, prison or jail. Courthouse (Court of Justice, courtroom or court proceeding). County, municipal, or special district governing body meetings. Meeting of governing body of a county, municipality, or special district. General Assembly session, including committee meetings. Any portion of an establishment licensed to dispense beer or alcoholic beverages for consumption on the premises, which portion of the establishment is primarily devoted to that purpose. Elementary or secondary school facilities (without the consent of school authorities). Child-caring facilities, day care centers, or any certified family child care home. Areas within an airport where restricted access is controlled by the inspection of persons or property. Any place where federal law prohibits the carrying of a firearm. |
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Even if they have a sign on the door all they can do is ask you to leave, and that's only if they find out you are carrying.
As for the liquor store, that's what we was told in our CCDW class, any place dedicated solely to the sale of alcohol of off limits. Guess it could have just been poor communication from the instructor, I never really worried about anyway, I get all my beer at the grocery store! |
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No you are not required to tell them you are carrying. No bars, no liquor stores, no hospitals. If its a restaurant that has a bar area (like Appleby's) your fine as long as you sit at a table for eating, you cant sit at the bar, you can drink while eating. No hospitals? What's the statue? |
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Even if they have a sign on the door all they can do is ask you to leave, and that's only if they find out you are carrying. As for the liquor store, that's what we was told in our CCDW class, any place dedicated solely to the sale of alcohol of off limits. Guess it could have just been poor communication from the instructor, I never really worried about anyway, I get all my beer at the grocery store! That's alcohol for consumption on premises. There's also that 50 thing. If the place seats 50 or less or 50% or more of its revenue is from sales of alcohol then guns are a no-no. |
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No you are not required to tell them you are carrying. No bars, no liquor stores, no hospitals. If its a restaurant that has a bar area (like Appleby's) your fine as long as you sit at a table for eating, you cant sit at the bar, you can drink while eating. No hospitals? What's the statue? Hospitals are good to go. Nothing in the KRS prohibits guns. |
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http://www.handgunlaw.us/states/kentucky.pdf One of the best resources I have found on KY firearms laws. Also, the OpenCarry.org KY subforum is a great source of info as well. |
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Even if they have a sign on the door all they can do is ask you to leave, and that's only if they find out you are carrying. As for the liquor store, that's what we was told in our CCDW class, any place dedicated solely to the sale of alcohol of off limits. Guess it could have just been poor communication from the instructor, I never really worried about anyway, I get all my beer at the grocery store! That's alcohol for consumption on premises. There's also that 50 thing. If the place seats 50 or less or 50% or more of its revenue is from sales of alcohol then guns are a no-no. Wait... what??????? |
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I had never really thought about it much since I took my CCDW class so I sent an email tonight to the guy who was the instructor of my class asking him about liquor stores. The response he sent me back said he tells his students that because a lot of the liquor stores in Kentucky are licensed to dispense beer and wine for tastings and or samples and not knowing what liquor license they have could get you in trouble. I don't know if its right or wrong.
As for Hospitals. There is a lot more of them going to the signs on the doors about no weapons. Now its true not all of them have the signs, but from what Ive been hearing more and more of them around the State are starting to post them based on the fact they have children's wards, nurseries and some of them have day care centers and their legal departments are claiming they fall under the child care portion of the statute. Again I don't know if its right or wrong but I would rather not be one of their test cases for it so in both places if its posted I just abided by it. |
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Even if they have a sign on the door all they can do is ask you to leave, and that's only if they find out you are carrying. As for the liquor store, that's what we was told in our CCDW class, any place dedicated solely to the sale of alcohol of off limits. Guess it could have just been poor communication from the instructor, I never really worried about anyway, I get all my beer at the grocery store! That's alcohol for consumption on premises. There's also that 50 thing. If the place seats 50 or less or 50% or more of its revenue is from sales of alcohol then guns are a no-no. Wait... what??????? http://www.lrc.state.ky.us/KRS/244-00/125.PDF |
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The Fort Campbell Comissary is now posted as no firearms which is utterly retarded since there is no carry allowed anywhere on Fort Campbell. Must be they don't want the MPs coming in there on duty. But if an MP does bring a gun into the Comissary, who are they going to call and tell? |
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I don't know about the exact law regarding notifying a LE that you're carrying, but I always thought it was required. At the very least it's best practice around here. As long as you're legal most cops won't think anything of it, and I've even had a few show me their gun. In my experience getting pulled over, you just let them know right off you have a gun in the glove box, they'll tell you to remove it with 2 fingers grabbing the butt of the pistol and slowly reach it to them, the officer will check that it's safe and he'll give it back when you're finished.
If you don't mention it and for some reason you get found out, you're going to have a bad time regardless of the laws. I have found that KY police are seldom interested in your rights and doing like some of the constitutional crusaders on YouTube will result in a broken camera and further violation of your rights. It's up to you though, everything is hypothetical here. |
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I don't know about the exact law regarding notifying a LE that you're carrying, but I always thought it was required. At the very least it's best practice around here. As long as you're legal most cops won't think anything of it, and I've even had a few show me their gun. In my experience getting pulled over, you just let them know right off you have a gun in the glove box, they'll tell you to remove it with 2 fingers grabbing the butt of the pistol and slowly reach it to them, the officer will check that it's safe and he'll give it back when you're finished. If you don't mention it and for some reason you get found out, you're going to have a bad time regardless of the laws. I have found that KY police are seldom interested in your rights and doing like some of the constitutional crusaders on YouTube will result in a broken camera and further violation of your rights. It's up to you though, everything is hypothetical here. Hidden cams and voice records sound better everyday. 
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I don't know about the exact law regarding notifying a LE that you're carrying, but I always thought it was required. At the very least it's best practice around here. As long as you're legal most cops won't think anything of it, and I've even had a few show me their gun. In my experience getting pulled over, you just let them know right off you have a gun in the glove box, they'll tell you to remove it with 2 fingers grabbing the butt of the pistol and slowly reach it to them, the officer will check that it's safe and he'll give it back when you're finished. If you don't mention it and for some reason you get found out, you're going to have a bad time regardless of the laws. I have found that KY police are seldom interested in your rights and doing like some of the constitutional crusaders on YouTube will result in a broken camera and further violation of your rights. It's up to you though, everything is hypothetical here. I think the OP was talking about carrying concealed. But in that situation where your gun is in the glove box and you have to open it in front of the cop, then by all means you should let him know its there before you open it. That's why I use a little plastic holder that fastens to the sun visor and holds my registration and insurance, either that or just get it out as soon as you pull over before he gets there, you know that's the first thing he's going to ask for! |
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I don't know about the exact law regarding notifying a LE that you're carrying, but I always thought it was required. At the very least it's best practice around here. "best practice"? Depending on the situation, maybe. Legal requirement? Absolutely not (in KY anyway). Other states differ. I know in OH is it a legal requirement. |
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Since there seems to be a lot of discussion concerning LEO notification, I thought I'd relate what my CCDW instructor told us in class. He said do NOT tell them you are carrying unless asked. He personally experienced a traffic stop in which he voluntarily told the LEO he was packing. The LEO drug him out of his car, threw him on the trunk, disarmed and handcuffed him.
Not all cops know the law. As long as you're obeying the law that's all that is required. I don't see any need to put myself through more hassles then necessary. |
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... they'll tell you to remove it with 2 fingers grabbing the butt of the pistol and slowly reach it to them, the officer will check that it's safe and he'll give it back when you're finished ... I have been pulled over 3 times while having my concealed carry license and all 3 times I voluntarily gave them my CDW and my driver's licesne. All three times it was a non-event. Only once was I asked where the gun was and after telling them, they moved on to the next set of questions. I would not under any circumstances reach for that gun. I don't care if they give me specific instructions on how to hand it to them, I would tell them no. I will step out of the car and you can get it yourself, but my hands would not be on that weapon in their presence. Other people may not care and say it is a non-issue, but for me I'm not touching it. I know some people are going to say that if it is in your glove box, under the seat, etc. you just gave up your rights in a search, and while that may be true I'd rather not risk getting shot by Barney Fife and his twitchy trigger finger. Everyone has their own opinion on how to handle that situation and I'm sure it is happening right now with someone stopped by the police ... I have not heard anything on the news about some innocent citizen in KY being shot by local PD while retrieving their gun, and I don't want to be the first. Just my 2 cents ... |
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Quoted: Quoted: ... they'll tell you to remove it with 2 fingers grabbing the butt of the pistol and slowly reach it to them, the officer will check that it's safe and he'll give it back when you're finished ... I have been pulled over 3 times while having my concealed carry license and all 3 times I voluntarily gave them my CDW and my driver's licesne. All three times it was a non-event. Only once was I asked where the gun was and after telling them, they moved on to the next set of questions. I would not under any circumstances reach for that gun. I don't care if they give me specific instructions on how to hand it to them, I would tell them no. I will step out of the car and you can get it yourself, but my hands would not be on that weapon in their presence. Other people may not care and say it is a non-issue, but for me I'm not touching it. I know some people are going to say that if it is in your glove box, under the seat, etc. you just gave up your rights in a search, and while that may be true I'd rather not risk getting shot by Barney Fife and his twitchy trigger finger. Everyone has their own opinion on how to handle that situation and I'm sure it is happening right now with someone stopped by the police ... I have not heard anything on the news about some innocent citizen in KY being shot by local PD while retrieving their gun, and I don't want to be the first. Just my 2 cents ... You get out of the car during a traffic stop after being told to hand them your gun, and you are probably going to get trunk-slammed and cuffed. That's asking for trouble in my opinion. If they tell you to reach it out to them, do so, carefully. |