Posted: 8/14/2010 5:09:54 AM EDT
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Just an open question. Does anyone else think its bs having to pay to have a CCDW. I mean its not enough that we have to pay $85 bucks to take a class. Another $55 bucks to get the permit. Then after 5 years we have to pay more to renew it etc etc etc. When we renew it we have sign paper work then when we pick it up we have to sign more paper work. I'm really starting to question how red KY really is.
Why should I have to pay for something that is my God given right as an American. Kentucky you disgust me. |
Having a bad day are we?  Why does everybody seem to be so grumpy on this forum all the time? My wife is always telling me how negative I am but compared to you guys I'm a regular happy go lucky kind of guy! 
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I'm really starting to question how red KY really is. Why should I have to pay for something that is my God given right as an American. Kentucky you disgust me. Let me tell you, having been born and raised in a true blue state, I can tell you first hand how good things are here. In NJ, you need a license just to go into a store and ask to see a gun and let me tell you, that license is a lot harder to get then KY's CCDW license! Count your blessings
As for your original question... I can only think of one state that allows CCW with no special license but I can't think of one license out there that they don't charge a fee for? Can you? Marriage licenses, drivers licenses, building permits, hunting licenses, etc.. They all have a fee associated with them so why would you expect a CCW license to be any different? |
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Having a bad day are we? Why does everybody seem to be so grumpy on this forum all the time? My wife is always telling me how negative I am but compared to you guys I'm a regular happy go lucky kind of guy!
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I'm really starting to question how red KY really is. Why should I have to pay for something that is my God given right as an American. Kentucky you disgust me. Let me tell you, having been born and raised in a true blue state, I can tell you first hand how good things are here. In NJ, you need a license just to go into a store and ask to see a gun and let me tell you, that license is a lot harder to get then KY's CCDW license! Count your blessings
As for your original question... I can only think of one state that allows CCW with no special license but I can't think of one license out there that they don't charge a fee for? Can you? Marriage licenses, drivers licenses, building permits, hunting licenses, etc.. They all have a fee associated with them so why would you expect a CCW license to be any different? Maybe because a drivers license, a marriage license and building permits, you don't have a constitutional right to? |
| My wife lives in Indiana. She has to take no classes. Pay a fee of $150 bucks or something like that can't remember and she gets a lifetime CCW. I'm still trying to research how come us over the river haven't got this as well. From what I know John Yarmuth blocked us from getting lifetime in his first term. We was talking about this up at Knob Creek. |
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Having a bad day are we? Why does everybody seem to be so grumpy on this forum all the time? My wife is always telling me how negative I am but compared to you guys I'm a regular happy go lucky kind of guy!
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I'm really starting to question how red KY really is. Why should I have to pay for something that is my God given right as an American. Kentucky you disgust me. Let me tell you, having been born and raised in a true blue state, I can tell you first hand how good things are here. In NJ, you need a license just to go into a store and ask to see a gun and let me tell you, that license is a lot harder to get then KY's CCDW license! Count your blessings
As for your original question... I can only think of one state that allows CCW with no special license but I can't think of one license out there that they don't charge a fee for? Can you? Marriage licenses, drivers licenses, building permits, hunting licenses, etc.. They all have a fee associated with them so why would you expect a CCW license to be any different? Maybe because a drivers license, a marriage license and building permits, you don't have a constitutional right to? True, most of them are priviliges. |
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My wife lives in Indiana. She has to take no classes. Pay a fee of $150 bucks or something like that can't remember and she gets a lifetime CCW. I'm still trying to research how come us over the river haven't got this as well. From what I know John Yarmuth blocked us from getting lifetime in his first term. We was talking about this up at Knob Creek. Wish we had a link for that. I would like to read more about it. |
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My wife lives in Indiana. She has to take no classes. Pay a fee of $150 bucks or something like that can't remember and she gets a lifetime CCW. I'm still trying to research how come us over the river haven't got this as well. From what I know John Yarmuth blocked us from getting lifetime in his first term. We was talking about this up at Knob Creek. Wish we had a link for that. I would like to read more about it. I looked up his voting record and it says nothing about it. Go ask Eddie up at KC him and Kenny was talking about it. This was back in Yarmuth's first term. I also remember reading it somewhere or maybe I heard it, Hell I don't know it was a long time ago but we almost had it as well and it got blocked by him. Yarmuth is very anti-gun though. How he got re-elected is beyond me. |
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My wife lives in Indiana. She has to take no classes. Pay a fee of $150 bucks or something like that can't remember and she gets a lifetime CCW. I'm still trying to research how come us over the river haven't got this as well. From what I know John Yarmuth blocked us from getting lifetime in his first term. We was talking about this up at Knob Creek. Wish we had a link for that. I would like to read more about it. I looked up his voting record and it says nothing about it. Go ask Eddie up at KC him and Kenny was talking about it. This was back in Yarmuth's first term. I also remember reading it somewhere or maybe I heard it, Hell I don't know it was a long time ago but we almost had it as well and it got blocked by him. Yarmuth is very anti-gun though. How he got re-elected is beyond me. Yes It would be nice if we had lifetime permits. |
| Main benefit I see to the class is it does teach the legalities of carrying a firearm. it is AMAZING how many people out there have no clue what the laws are and in alot of cases are totally off on what they think is the law. Would you want someone driving a car around without any clue about the laws of the road. |
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Main benefit I see to the class is it does teach the legalities of carrying a firearm. it is AMAZING how many people out there have no clue what the laws are and in alot of cases are totally off on what they think is the law. Would you want someone driving a car around without any clue about the laws of the road. It does not matter how dumb someone is to open carry in KY legally. Why must you have a class to concealed carry? Makes no sense to me at all. |
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Main benefit I see to the class is it does teach the legalities of carrying a firearm. it is AMAZING how many people out there have no clue what the laws are and in alot of cases are totally off on what they think is the law. Would you want someone driving a car around without any clue about the laws of the road. You can open carry without a license, but you have to take classes in order to conceal. I think whats best is when you go buy a firearm is to go to your local range and learn your pistol in and out. Study the instructions and what not. I can't tell you how many people I see that don't have any discipline on how to shoot a pistol. Hell I've been shooting for years and I sometimes still have a anticipation problem. Practice makes perfect. Those classes only do so much btw. |
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Main benefit I see to the class is it does teach the legalities of carrying a firearm. it is AMAZING how many people out there have no clue what the laws are and in alot of cases are totally off on what they think is the law. Would you want someone driving a car around without any clue about the laws of the road. You can open carry without a license, but you have to take classes in order to conceal. I think whats best is when you go buy a firearm is to go to your local range and learn your pistol in and out. Study the instructions and what not. I can't tell you how many people I see that don't have any discipline on how to shoot a pistol. Hell I've been shooting for years and I sometimes still have a anticipation problem. Practice makes perfect. Those classes only do so much btw. Yea I agree. I'm just saying if people are allowed to open carry without a class why should people who want to conceal carry have to take a class. |
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A life time permit would be nice.
The regs on concealed carry never bothered me otherwise. The Kentucky constitution clearly says that the legislature can pass laws in regards to carrying concealed weapons. They are not, according to the Ky constitution, allowed to regulate fire arms other wise. |
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Having a bad day are we? Why does everybody seem to be so grumpy on this forum all the time? My wife is always telling me how negative I am but compared to you guys I'm a regular happy go lucky kind of guy!
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I'm really starting to question how red KY really is. Why should I have to pay for something that is my God given right as an American. Kentucky you disgust me. Let me tell you, having been born and raised in a true blue state, I can tell you first hand how good things are here. In NJ, you need a license just to go into a store and ask to see a gun and let me tell you, that license is a lot harder to get then KY's CCDW license! Count your blessings
As for your original question... I can only think of one state that allows CCW with no special license but I can't think of one license out there that they don't charge a fee for? Can you? Marriage licenses, drivers licenses, building permits, hunting licenses, etc.. They all have a fee associated with them so why would you expect a CCW license to be any different? Maybe because a drivers license, a marriage license and building permits, you don't have a constitutional right to? Wrong. The US Constitution guarantees you right to own and bear arms. In this context, the word "bear" means "To carry from one place to another; transport." The State of Kentucky does not interfere with that right in anyway nor do they require you to obtain a license to do so. The KY CCDW license allows you to "bear" your firearms or other deadly weapons in a concealed manner. Concealed carry is not something guaranteed by the constitution. Even if you want to argue the 2nd amendment does guarantee your right to conceal a firearm, it certainly doesn't guarantee your right to carry brass knuckles or knives or any other "deadly weapon" which the KY CCDW permit does So like it or not, when you apply and pay for the KY CCDW permit, you are applying for rights not considered fundamental or constitutionally guaranteed. |
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Having a bad day are we? Why does everybody seem to be so grumpy on this forum all the time? My wife is always telling me how negative I am but compared to you guys I'm a regular happy go lucky kind of guy!
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I'm really starting to question how red KY really is. Why should I have to pay for something that is my God given right as an American. Kentucky you disgust me. Let me tell you, having been born and raised in a true blue state, I can tell you first hand how good things are here. In NJ, you need a license just to go into a store and ask to see a gun and let me tell you, that license is a lot harder to get then KY's CCDW license! Count your blessings
As for your original question... I can only think of one state that allows CCW with no special license but I can't think of one license out there that they don't charge a fee for? Can you? Marriage licenses, drivers licenses, building permits, hunting licenses, etc.. They all have a fee associated with them so why would you expect a CCW license to be any different? Maybe because a drivers license, a marriage license and building permits, you don't have a constitutional right to? Wrong. The US Constitution guarantees you right to own and bear arms. In this context, the word "bear" means "To carry from one place to another; transport." The State of Kentucky does not interfere with that right in anyway nor do they require you to obtain a license to do so. The KY CCDW license allows you to "bear" your firearms or other deadly weapons in a concealed manner. Concealed carry is not something guaranteed by the constitution. Even if you want to argue the 2nd amendment does guarantee your right to conceal a firearm, it certainly doesn't guarantee your right to carry brass knuckles or knives or any other "deadly weapon" which the KY CCDW permit does So like it or not, when you apply and pay for the KY CCDW permit, you are applying for rights not considered fundamental or constitutionally guaranteed. Sorry friend you are wrong. You are over analizing the entire thing just like politicians who change things around to find a loop hole and make things mean something the dont. Now let me analize exactly what you said. I'll basically sum up everything you said by saying the state of KY doesnt give a damn about you b/c they have found a loop hole and will suck every cent out of your pocket they can. |
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Sorry friend you are wrong. You are over analizing the entire thing just like politicians who change things around to find a loop hole and make things mean something the dont. Now let me analize exactly what you said. I'll basically sum up everything you said by saying the state of KY doesnt give a damn about you b/c they have found a loop hole and will suck every cent out of your pocket they can. We are going to have to agree to disagree on this one. You're PO'ed at the state of KY for not allowing something that only one other state in the US allows, unrestricted CCW without a license. If it bothers you that much then I suggest instead of bitching about on an Internet forum which accomplishes nothing, you either march to Frankfort and try to do something about it or move to NH. If neither of those options work for you then maybe your blood pressure would be better served focusing on the positive which is, when it comes to firearms, we here in KY have it much better then most other states.
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Sorry friend you are wrong. You are over analizing the entire thing just like politicians who change things around to find a loop hole and make things mean something the dont. Now let me analize exactly what you said. I'll basically sum up everything you said by saying the state of KY doesnt give a damn about you b/c they have found a loop hole and will suck every cent out of your pocket they can. We are going to have to agree to disagree on this one. You're PO'ed at the state of KY for not allowing something that only one other state in the US allows, unrestricted CCW without a license. If it bothers you that much then I suggest instead of bitching about on an Internet forum which accomplishes nothing, you either march to Frankfort and try to do something about it or move to NH. If neither of those options work for you then maybe your blood pressure would be better served focusing on the positive which is, when it comes to firearms, we here in KY have it much better then most other states.
We can agree to disagree. And that is the truth Ky does have it better than most states. |
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Having a bad day are we? Why does everybody seem to be so grumpy on this forum all the time? My wife is always telling me how negative I am but compared to you guys I'm a regular happy go lucky kind of guy!
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I'm really starting to question how red KY really is. Why should I have to pay for something that is my God given right as an American. Kentucky you disgust me. Let me tell you, having been born and raised in a true blue state, I can tell you first hand how good things are here. In NJ, you need a license just to go into a store and ask to see a gun and let me tell you, that license is a lot harder to get then KY's CCDW license! Count your blessings
As for your original question... I can only think of one state that allows CCW with no special license but I can't think of one license out there that they don't charge a fee for? Can you? Marriage licenses, drivers licenses, building permits, hunting licenses, etc.. They all have a fee associated with them so why would you expect a CCW license to be any different? Maybe because a drivers license, a marriage license and building permits, you don't have a constitutional right to? Wrong. The US Constitution guarantees you right to own and bear arms. In this context, the word "bear" means "To carry from one place to another; transport." The State of Kentucky does not interfere with that right in anyway nor do they require you to obtain a license to do so. The KY CCDW license allows you to "bear" your firearms or other deadly weapons in a concealed manner. Concealed carry is not something guaranteed by the constitution. Even if you want to argue the 2nd amendment does guarantee your right to conceal a firearm, it certainly doesn't guarantee your right to carry brass knuckles or knives or any other "deadly weapon" which the KY CCDW permit does So like it or not, when you apply and pay for the KY CCDW permit, you are applying for rights not considered fundamental or constitutionally guaranteed. The CCW permit allows you to conceal any deadly weapon I thought? |
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Even if you want to argue the 2nd amendment does guarantee your right to conceal a firearm, it certainly doesn't guarantee your right to carry brass knuckles or knives or any other "deadly weapon" which the KY CCDW permit does So like it or not, when you apply and pay for the KY CCDW permit, you are applying for rights not considered fundamental or constitutionally guaranteed. The CCW permit allows you to conceal any deadly weapon I thought? Yep, that's what he said. Whoops I attributed the quote to the wrong guy but you get the idea. Roger that, just checkin. |
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Just my two cents. Open Carry is a right and Concealed Carry is a privilege in Kentucky.
For the right you need nothing more than the guts to do it. Of course guys will come up with all kinds of logic and BS reasons that you shouldn't do it. Every excuse from losing the element of suprise, being the first one to be shot in a robbery, or being arrested for disturbing the peace to being shot on sight by the police. If folks don't want to open carry than so be it, but don't whine about why others shouldn't do it. For the privilege it's just like any other privilege granted by the Commonwealth, you simply pay for it. For $145 or less for the first five years ($29 a year) you get to enjoy a privilege. After that the cost drops down to $12 a year. I don't think this is a huge burden to bear but if it is that always brings us back to Open Carry. It wasn't that long ago when there was no CCDW in Kentucky. Now people are complaining abot $12 a year. |
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It wasn't that long ago when there was no CCDW in Kentucky. Now people are complaining abot $12 a year.
Very true! The current situation is so much better than what existed for most of my life that I am not going to complain. Yes, it would be better if things were easier and cheaper. Still, things are so much better now than they were just a few short years ago. I am happy. |
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Just my two cents. Open Carry is a right and Concealed Carry is a privilege in Kentucky. For the right you need nothing more than the guts to do it. Of course guys will come up with all kinds of logic and BS reasons that you shouldn't do it. Every excuse from losing the element of suprise, being the first one to be shot in a robbery, or being arrested for disturbing the peace to being shot on sight by the police. If folks don't want to open carry than so be it, but don't whine about why others shouldn't do it. For the privilege it's just like any other privilege granted by the Commonwealth, you simply pay for it. For $145 or less for the first five years ($29 a year) you get to enjoy a privilege. After that the cost drops down to $12 a year. I don't think this is a huge burden to bear but if it is that always brings us back to Open Carry. It wasn't that long ago when there was no CCDW in Kentucky. Now people are complaining abot $12 a year. Yeah with Indiana you can lifetime carry. Kentucky should have something along those lines, because our sister state has that opportunity. Just mine and about 99% of other gun owners opinions, me thinks. 
Note: I was so pissed when my wife went for hers and she was like "I don't have to take a class......oh and I got the lifetime one, which one did you get?" I was like "Your shitting me...." 
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Just my two cents. Open Carry is a right and Concealed Carry is a privilege in Kentucky. For the right you need nothing more than the guts to do it. Of course guys will come up with all kinds of logic and BS reasons that you shouldn't do it. Every excuse from losing the element of surprise, being the first one to be shot in a robbery, or being arrested for disturbing the peace to being shot on sight by the police. If folks don't want to open carry than so be it, but don't whine about why others shouldn't do it. For the privilege it's just like any other privilege granted by the Commonwealth, you simply pay for it. For $145 or less for the first five years ($29 a year) you get to enjoy a privilege. After that the cost drops down to $12 a year. I don't think this is a huge burden to bear but if it is that always brings us back to Open Carry. It wasn't that long ago when there was no CCDW in Kentucky. Now people are complaining about $12 a year. Yeah with Indiana you can lifetime carry. Kentucky should have something along those lines, because our sister state has that opportunity. Just mine and about 99% of other gun owners opinions, me thinks.
Note: I was so pissed when my wife went for hers and she was like "I don't have to take a class......oh and I got the lifetime one, which one did you get?" I was like "Your shitting me...." In my neck of the woods Illinois is also our sister State...so it can go to the other extreme just as easily. I would be happy to have a free lifetime license, but I'm equally happy just to have one period. I'm thankful that our Commonwealth has given us a privilege that they could just have easily denied us. The cost is very low when you break it down. The instructor is allowed by law to charge up to $75 for the 8 hour class and another $10 to cover actual expenses like targets, staples, earplugs, and anything else he provides. Out of that $75 the instructor submits $25 to the State Police and can keep a whole $50 for himself. When you pay your application fee the County Sheriff gets $20 of the $60 to cover whatever cost is involved. The other $40 goes to the State Police. The State Police provides all class materials (books, tests, answer sheets, KRS handouts, reciprocity information sheets, etc), performs background checks, prints and mails flashpacks, prints and mails licenses, updates reciprocity info with other states semi-annually, and much more. The entire CCDW program is funded by us, the users, and at a very reasonable cost. |
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Just my two cents. Open Carry is a right and Concealed Carry is a privilege in Kentucky. For the right you need nothing more than the guts to do it. Of course guys will come up with all kinds of logic and BS reasons that you shouldn't do it. Every excuse from losing the element of surprise, being the first one to be shot in a robbery, or being arrested for disturbing the peace to being shot on sight by the police. If folks don't want to open carry than so be it, but don't whine about why others shouldn't do it. For the privilege it's just like any other privilege granted by the Commonwealth, you simply pay for it. For $145 or less for the first five years ($29 a year) you get to enjoy a privilege. After that the cost drops down to $12 a year. I don't think this is a huge burden to bear but if it is that always brings us back to Open Carry. It wasn't that long ago when there was no CCDW in Kentucky. Now people are complaining about $12 a year. Yeah with Indiana you can lifetime carry. Kentucky should have something along those lines, because our sister state has that opportunity. Just mine and about 99% of other gun owners opinions, me thinks.
Note: I was so pissed when my wife went for hers and she was like "I don't have to take a class......oh and I got the lifetime one, which one did you get?" I was like "Your shitting me...." In my neck of the woods Illinois is also our sister State...so it can go to the other extreme just as easily. I would be happy to have a free lifetime license, but I'm equally happy just to have one period. I'm thankful that our Commonwealth has given us a privilege that they could just have easily denied us. The cost is very low when you break it down. The instructor is allowed by law to charge up to $75 for the 8 hour class and another $10 to cover actual expenses like targets, staples, earplugs, and anything else he provides. Out of that $75 the instructor submits $25 to the State Police and can keep a whole $50 for himself. When you pay your application fee the County Sheriff gets $20 of the $60 to cover whatever cost is involved. The other $40 goes to the State Police. The State Police provides all class materials (books, tests, answer sheets, KRS handouts, reciprocity information sheets, etc), performs background checks, prints and mails flashpacks, prints and mails licenses, updates reciprocity info with other states semi-annually, and much more. The entire CCDW program is funded by us, the users, and at a very reasonable cost. Amen. I am from Illinois originally. We have it very good here in KY |
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Just an open question. Does anyone else think its bs having to pay to have a CCDW. I mean its not enough that we have to pay $85 bucks to take a class. Another $55 bucks to get the permit. Then after 5 years we have to pay more to renew it etc etc etc. When we renew it we have sign paper work then when we pick it up we have to sign more paper work. I'm really starting to question how red KY really is. Why should I have to pay for something that is my God given right as an American. Kentucky you disgust me. Don't just be disgusted. Be disgusted and then contact your state Rep or Senator, and urge them to file a constitutional carry bill in the legislature. This doesn't have anything to do with being "red", despite what some folks would like you to think. Vermont is not exactly red, and they've had constitutional carry for years and years. |