[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Guys, pull your glocks out! (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 10/7/2014 9:18:06 PM EDT
So I'm looking for some help from you Glock lovers(yes I said GLOCK!!)
I was planning to, at some point, to grab a G22, but I have no .40 ammo, or do I really care to invest in a new caliber.... SO now Im thinking about a G17. I have a lot of 9 ammo, but also a lot of 9 mm handguns...so I'm 50/50 right now. What do you guys think is the better pistol to go with, based on experiences with either, but also with the situation I described? Then based on that what are the pros and cons between Gen 3, Gen 4? Which would I want?! |
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I just sold a really nice pre-ban Gen 2 G17 to a board member.
You want a G17 if you are already invested in 9mm. While you can get 9mm conversion barrels for the G22, it's not a factory barrel and always brings up a reliability question. Fine for range, not for defense. Glock is literally "perfect" in the full-sized 9mm guns. They always "feel" weird until you start shooting them quickly. Then suddenly, they make sense as your hand adjusts to the grip, and the odd Glock contours dig into the right places on your palm to keep the gun under control. Would advise to keep it fairly stock, but would recommend getting a set of aftermarket sights pretty much as soon as possible. Heine, Dawson, Warren are all great for target and action shooting. Hard to beat Trijicon, Meprolight, or Ameriglo for defensive night sights. There is a great sight picture thread in the Glock sub forum. Honestly, I really like the Gen 4's right now. You get 3 mags and the grip and mag release are excellent. There is nothing wrong with Gen 2 or Gen 3. A lot of people like the feel of the Gen 2 grip, as it lacks the finger grooves. I like the finger grooves, so that isn't a big factor for me. The Gen 2 and first 6-7 years of Gen 3 production are just simply reliable and well built. The gen 3 started acquiring MIM parts over the years, but it isn't a big deal. A short range of 2012-2013 Gen 3 and 4's acquired a reputation for having ejection issues. I've been around A LOT of Glocks from this period, and never saw any issues myself, but the anecdotes on the internet shouldn't be fully discounted, but I think they are overblown due to Glock's otherwise enviable reputation. Here is what I would do: Buying New? Gen 4 hands down. Buying Used? Gen 3 Buying as a suppressor host? Gen 2 preban. Why not a Glock 34? The extra barrel length, lighter trigger, and target sights really work well. VERY easy gun to shoot fast and well. Let us know how you progress.
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G19!!! Only because this state sucks and we can't have standard 17 round mags. It still sucks to only have 10 rounds with the 19. If you have small hands get the gen 4. I've got my gen 3 and my wife has a gen 4. Range trip for side by side testing whenever you want I shoot my G19 better than the 17 that I had. And I have huge hands. |
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The .40S&W Glocks definitely recoil a lot more than the 9's. It's not terrible (unless you are talking about the G27) and you get used to it. But 9mm is the way to go unless you go with .45ACP which is a great round in Glocks as well. Having shot both the 22 and 17, the 22 is slightly more noticeable and a little sharper recoiling. The 27 really is not that bad, though a 26 would probably be easier. (I have never fired a 26) It actually handles much better than my LC9 and I believe has less felt recoil than CZ (subcompact?) that I had the opportunity to try (which was brutal). |
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Having shot both the 22 and 17, the 22 is slightly more noticeable and a little sharper recoiling. The 27 really is not that bad, though a 26 would probably be easier. (I have never fired a 26) It actually handles much better than my LC9 and I believe has less felt recoil than CZ (subcompact?) that I had the opportunity to try (which was brutal). Quoted:
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The .40S&W Glocks definitely recoil a lot more than the 9's. It's not terrible (unless you are talking about the G27) and you get used to it. But 9mm is the way to go unless you go with .45ACP which is a great round in Glocks as well. Having shot both the 22 and 17, the 22 is slightly more noticeable and a little sharper recoiling. The 27 really is not that bad, though a 26 would probably be easier. (I have never fired a 26) It actually handles much better than my LC9 and I believe has less felt recoil than CZ (subcompact?) that I had the opportunity to try (which was brutal). I love my 26 it's the only gun I own that I would never sell |
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.40 is a great mid caliber. It will do anything you ask of it.
More than 9, and cheaper than .45. I use it sometimes as a sidearm hunting caliber in the north Maine woods. Glocks I don't like glocks. Grip angle is off from the rest of my pistols. Trigger is lacking, but not the worst. If you're a glock guy, go for it. If you're not, you may be selling it years down the road. Muscle memory and all. I will say that I always recommend glocks to friends new to the pistol game. I tell them to try them out and see if they like it. Cause glocks are a damn fine pistol and run very well. I just don't like some aspects of them |
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Quoted: .40 is a great mid caliber. It will do anything you ask of it. More than 9, and cheaper than .45. I use it sometimes as a sidearm hunting caliber in the north Maine woods. Glocks I don't like glocks. Grip angle is off from the rest of my pistols. Trigger is lacking, but not the worst. If you're a glock guy, go for it. If you're not, you may be selling it years down the road. Muscle memory and all. I will say that I always recommend glocks to friends new to the pistol game. I tell them to try them out and see if they like it. Cause glocks are a damn fine pistol and run very well. I just don't like some aspects of them |
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Kinda my impression of glocks all along. I fired a g22 a couple years ago, maybe like a full mag and that was it. I really disliked the grip of the pistol, but I figured I didn't give it much of a chance. I've always liked my m&p because I could change the grips out. I'm always hearing glock this and glock that so I figure I should really give them a chance. |
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Quoted: ^ Kinda my impression of glocks all along. I fired a g22 a couple years ago, maybe like a full mag and that was it. I really disliked the grip of the pistol, but I figured I didn't give it much of a chance. I've always liked my m&p because I could change the grips out. I'm always hearing glock this and glock that so I figure I should really give them a chance. |
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The M&P handles .40S&W much better than Glock
Not saying it is a better gun, but it was designed as a .40 from the ground up. Same with the USP. Side by side with the Glock, you'll notice that the Glock is much more svelte right away, reflecting it's 9mm intent. But the Glock is better in 9mm, hands down. And the better gun overall. Trigger, grip, controls, simplicity, and serviceability. |
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YES YOU WANT A 40!!!! But you want an H&K, which is exactly what I'm selling. So, buy mine If it was a Glock, you wouldn't be selling it. Ha! If it was a Glock I wouldn't have even traded for it. 
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The M&P handles .40S&W much better than Glock Not saying it is a better gun, but it was designed as a .40 from the ground up. Same with the USP. Side by side with the Glock, you'll notice that the Glock is much more svelte right away, reflecting it's 9mm intent. But the Glock is better in 9mm, hands down. And the better gun overall. Trigger, grip, controls, simplicity, and serviceability. STOP CHANGING YOUR AVATAR IM GETTING DIZZY!! LOL Glock and svelte in the same sentence, your a real card. GO DARK SIDE TOMMMY!!! |
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go .45 ACP g21sf or a Gen4, I have much love for mine, and the 30sf BTW. or .40, whatever. Dont you run an M&P? Hey Cav, yep my go to full size is an m&p 9, and carry is the shield. But lately I've realized I'm a better shot with my p226, so maybe I've been clouded by S&W, and need to give glocks a better try. 
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Just quit messing around and get a 45. G30 I would say. If you are worried about ammo start reloading. 45 is very easy to reload and you don't have to fumble with those tiny casings for other calibers. The only handgun that Ill bother with for 45, is my wife's 1991A1 
Everything else...I think Ill stick with 9
ETA: Nice pics guys! Feel free to keep em comin! |
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The M&P handles .40S&W much better than Glock Not saying it is a better gun, but it was designed as a .40 from the ground up. Same with the USP. Side by side with the Glock, you'll notice that the Glock is much more svelte right away, reflecting it's 9mm intent. But the Glock is better in 9mm, hands down. And the better gun overall. Trigger, grip, controls, simplicity, and serviceability. Even the though the USP was designed for the round, and may have some theoretical beneit in terms of longevity and durability, I actually find that the Glock is an easier handling, easier shooting pistol (in .40 compared against a USP .40) , not so much because of its overall lines, but because other handling characteristics related to felt recoil. (I also own a USP .40) |
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Wife's gen 4 and my gen 3 <a href="http://s1236.photobucket.com/user/pirrosnet/media/Mobile%20Uploads/F242944E-25AB-4899-B79B-E83CE5163D2C_zpsj35tjxb7.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1236.photobucket.com/albums/ff456/pirrosnet/Mobile%20Uploads/F242944E-25AB-4899-B79B-E83CE5163D2C_zpsj35tjxb7.jpg</a> Edit: since getting my barrels denied. I've been toying with the idea of getting a preban G17 and cutting the grip down to a19 length. Adding suppressor sights and get a threaded barrel for it. Hmm..... Doesn't sound too bad! That's your carry pistol right? Is there enough room for your pinky on the grip on the 19? |
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Doesn't sound too bad! That's your carry pistol right? Is there enough room for your pinky on the grip on the 19? Quoted:
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Wife's gen 4 and my gen 3 <a href="http://s1236.photobucket.com/user/pirrosnet/media/Mobile%20Uploads/F242944E-25AB-4899-B79B-E83CE5163D2C_zpsj35tjxb7.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1236.photobucket.com/albums/ff456/pirrosnet/Mobile%20Uploads/F242944E-25AB-4899-B79B-E83CE5163D2C_zpsj35tjxb7.jpg</a> Edit: since getting my barrels denied. I've been toying with the idea of getting a preban G17 and cutting the grip down to a19 length. Adding suppressor sights and get a threaded barrel for it. Hmm..... Doesn't sound too bad! That's your carry pistol right? Is there enough room for your pinky on the grip on the 19? Yup, even with my semi-large hands. |
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Quoted: Even the though the USP was designed for the round, and may have some theoretical beneit in terms of longevity and durability, I actually find that the Glock is an easier handling, easier shooting pistol (in .40 compared against a USP .40) , not so much because of its overall lines, but because other handling characteristics related to felt recoil. (I also own a USP .40) Quoted: Quoted: The M&P handles .40S&W much better than Glock Not saying it is a better gun, but it was designed as a .40 from the ground up. Same with the USP. Side by side with the Glock, you'll notice that the Glock is much more svelte right away, reflecting it's 9mm intent. But the Glock is better in 9mm, hands down. And the better gun overall. Trigger, grip, controls, simplicity, and serviceability. Even the though the USP was designed for the round, and may have some theoretical beneit in terms of longevity and durability, I actually find that the Glock is an easier handling, easier shooting pistol (in .40 compared against a USP .40) , not so much because of its overall lines, but because other handling characteristics related to felt recoil. (I also own a USP .40) I respectfully disagree. I DO like the trigger on Glock better than standard H&K, but that's it. I like the grip angle of the USP better, the Glocks are strange unless that's all you shoot. I like the sights on the USP better, while both deserve an upgrade (see matthardcores recommendations earlier they were spot on IMO) the Glocks need it much more. The USP has better grip on front and especially on the back strap. Gen 4's have mitigated this to some degree, but still don't compare. I think the USP felt recoil is less than the Glock. This shouldn't be your determining factor however, unless you reload, factory .40 rounds will be snappy no matter what, and the difference between two full size polymer frames will be negligible at best. |
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Wife's gen 4 and my gen 3 <a href="http://s1236.photobucket.com/user/pirrosnet/media/Mobile%20Uploads/F242944E-25AB-4899-B79B-E83CE5163D2C_zpsj35tjxb7.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1236.photobucket.com/albums/ff456/pirrosnet/Mobile%20Uploads/F242944E-25AB-4899-B79B-E83CE5163D2C_zpsj35tjxb7.jpg</a> Edit: since getting my barrels denied. I've been toying with the idea of getting a preban G17 and cutting the grip down to a19 length. Adding suppressor sights and get a threaded barrel for it. Hmm..... Doesn't sound too bad! That's your carry pistol right? Is there enough room for your pinky on the grip on the 19? Yup, even with my semi-large hands. Damnt I was hoping to hear a no to make the decision easier! Haha |
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<a href="http://s398.photobucket.com/user/spkap/media/D300C70C-3F7F-441E-AA9E-291A623AD1E2.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i398.photobucket.com/albums/pp69/spkap/D300C70C-3F7F-441E-AA9E-291A623AD1E2.jpg</a> G30sf up!
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I respectfully disagree. I DO like the trigger on Glock better than standard H&K, but that's it. I like the grip angle of the USP better, the Glocks are strange unless that's all you shoot. I like the sights on the USP better, while both deserve an upgrade (see matthardcores recommendations earlier they were spot on IMO) the Glocks need it much more. The USP has better grip on front and especially on the back strap. Gen 4's have mitigated this to some degree, but still don't compare. I think the USP felt recoil is less than the Glock. This shouldn't be your determining factor however, unless you reload, factory .40 rounds will be snappy no matter what, and the difference between two full size polymer frames will be negligible at best. Quoted:
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The M&P handles .40S&W much better than Glock Not saying it is a better gun, but it was designed as a .40 from the ground up. Same with the USP. Side by side with the Glock, you'll notice that the Glock is much more svelte right away, reflecting it's 9mm intent. But the Glock is better in 9mm, hands down. And the better gun overall. Trigger, grip, controls, simplicity, and serviceability. Even the though the USP was designed for the round, and may have some theoretical beneit in terms of longevity and durability, I actually find that the Glock is an easier handling, easier shooting pistol (in .40 compared against a USP .40) , not so much because of its overall lines, but because other handling characteristics related to felt recoil. (I also own a USP .40) I respectfully disagree. I DO like the trigger on Glock better than standard H&K, but that's it. I like the grip angle of the USP better, the Glocks are strange unless that's all you shoot. I like the sights on the USP better, while both deserve an upgrade (see matthardcores recommendations earlier they were spot on IMO) the Glocks need it much more. The USP has better grip on front and especially on the back strap. Gen 4's have mitigated this to some degree, but still don't compare. I think the USP felt recoil is less than the Glock. This shouldn't be your determining factor however, unless you reload, factory .40 rounds will be snappy no matter what, and the difference between two full size polymer frames will be negligible at best. My USP is an LEM. I can shoot it very well. Most people who I let try it at the range have difficulty shooting it accurately. (I attribute that to a combination of the trigger and the ergonomics of the gun). I also have the factory light that goes with the USP. Though it does not add much weight. without it, the recoil impulse is very different, from anything, and you can really feel the extra weight of the slide moving. (The USP is the 3d .40 that I had ever fired. The first was a subcompact CZ, which shot well but was not fun to shoot, and then a Taurus 100, which I bought cheap and came to love). I'm not saying that I don't like the USP. I love mine. But it is not the easiest gun to shoot. I have never had a problem with the grippiness of either pistol- though the texture on the HK is better. In the past, I did like the capacity advantage the Glock offered, but now that's not a consideration. Incidentally, even before the ban- when I carried my HK I preferred the 10 round mags, which sat flush and made the hog of a gun conceal better than I would expect. The Glock is much easier to shoot. When I let others try it, they are always much more successful than with the HK. Though I shoot quite a few other guns, I don't find the Glock grip angle to be problematic, but I sort of like the the European grip angle and am much more inclined to it than a more square grip- which is why I can shoot bullseye pretty well with a German pistol but shoot abysmally with a S&W 41. |
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i was at hoffmans, i shot my new mp40c and my fathers gen4 23 same ammo, shot for shot, switching guns after each round for a full magazine, then going through 1 mag then switching, then shooting fast with each gun. the MP handled the round alot better, less of a "snap" and more of a "push" compared to the 23.
not saying the 23 didnt handle it, but i personally feel that the MP40c did a better job of it. the trigger on the other hand, glock hands down, but now that i have over 1000 rounds through my MP, iam used to how the trigger is, pull break and reset. oh and did you see the glock end plates with the BFL on them?? |
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http://i1310.photobucket.com/albums/s658/Johnsmyname/Mobile%20Uploads/G20_zps78cb33c3.jpg Not a Glock fan, so it's my one and only. Couldn't resist 15 rounds of 10MM 
I love that thing! I really hope the rumors are true about the SIG p220 because I want a 10mm but refuse to own a glock |
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I love that thing! I really hope the rumors are true about the SIG p220 because I want a 10mm but refuse to own a glock Quoted:
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http://i1310.photobucket.com/albums/s658/Johnsmyname/Mobile%20Uploads/G20_zps78cb33c3.jpg Not a Glock fan, so it's my one and only. Couldn't resist 15 rounds of 10MM
I love that thing! I really hope the rumors are true about the SIG p220 because I want a 10mm but refuse to own a glock Rumor???? 10mm ?????? I would be so IN !!!! |
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Rumor???? 10mm ?????? I would be so IN !!!! Quoted:
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http://i1310.photobucket.com/albums/s658/Johnsmyname/Mobile%20Uploads/G20_zps78cb33c3.jpg Not a Glock fan, so it's my one and only. Couldn't resist 15 rounds of 10MM
I love that thing! I really hope the rumors are true about the SIG p220 because I want a 10mm but refuse to own a glock Rumor???? 10mm ?????? I would be so IN !!!! You need to hang out in gd more often
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http://i1310.photobucket.com/albums/s658/Johnsmyname/Mobile%20Uploads/G20_zps78cb33c3.jpg Not a Glock fan, so it's my one and only. Couldn't resist 15 rounds of 10MM
I love that thing! I really hope the rumors are true about the SIG p220 because I want a 10mm but refuse to own a glock Rumor???? 10mm ?????? I would be so IN !!!! You need to hang out in gd more often
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Quoted: I love that thing! I really hope the rumors are true about the SIG p220 because I want a 10mm but refuse to own a glock Quoted: Quoted: http://i1310.photobucket.com/albums/s658/Johnsmyname/Mobile%20Uploads/G20_zps78cb33c3.jpg Not a Glock fan, so it's my one and only. Couldn't resist 15 rounds of 10MM I love that thing! I really hope the rumors are true about the SIG p220 because I want a 10mm but refuse to own a glock Thanks man, you should shoot it more, if rumors are true I'll shoot yours instead!
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Yea Glock #1 good time! OP if you have surplus 9mm and no .40 then that choice is simple, go 9mm. I carried a gen3 23 for years and yes .40 in glock is snappy as hell but controllable. Then I finally bought a gen4 19 and absolutely love it. Needless to say the g23 now lives in the safe waiting as an extra gun for when the zombies come. I also have he g34 which is tits for range and hd use but not so much for carry. I am also tossing around the idea of picking up a preban g17 as suppressor host. I love glock in 9mm hands down. When I feel like a change .45 in the 1911 comes out but not that often anymore.
So it comes down to if you are going to carry or just shoot it at the range. If carry go g19 all day. If range I love the g34. If range and maybe carry and you body frame can allow it go g17. You literally can't go wrong with any glock in 9mm. |
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Thanks man, you should shoot it more, if rumors are true I'll shoot yours instead!
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http://i1310.photobucket.com/albums/s658/Johnsmyname/Mobile%20Uploads/G20_zps78cb33c3.jpg Not a Glock fan, so it's my one and only. Couldn't resist 15 rounds of 10MM
I love that thing! I really hope the rumors are true about the SIG p220 because I want a 10mm but refuse to own a glock Thanks man, you should shoot it more, if rumors are true I'll shoot yours instead!
sig 10mm will be best 10mm 
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