Posted: 3/14/2014 11:28:28 AM EDT
| Someone posted that the PS90 is legal in CT. Is this true? I can't search hometown for some reason. |
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Not only is the length a probable disqualifier so is the fact that the stock/grip of the firearm appears to result "in any finger on the trigger hand in addition to the trigger finger being directly below any portion of the action of the weapon when firing." Which means the stock/grip is an evil feature making the firearm an AW there for banned.
"(II) Any grip of the weapon, including a pistol grip, a thumbhole stock, or any other stock, the use of which would allow an individual to grip the weapon, resulting in any finger on the trigger hand in addition to the trigger finger being directly below any portion of the action of the weapon when firing;" "(3) “Action of the weapon” means the part of the firearm that loads, fires and ejects a cartridge, which part includes, but is not limited to, the upper and lower receiver, charging handle, forward assist, magazine release and shell deflector;" |
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The only part of the firearm above your firing hands fingers is the bbl and the mag. The "action" is almost in your armpit. Bbl is not specifically named in the day definition of action. While it does say "not limited to", get some balls and let your lawyer handle that part, if it ever comes to it. I say legal with muzzle device. All day. |
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Negative SB The only part of the firearm above your firing hands fingers is the bbl and the mag. The "action" is almost in your armpit. Bbl is not specifically named in the day definition of action. While it does say "not limited to", get some balls and let your lawyer handle that part, if it ever comes to it. I say legal with muzzle device. All day. Fair, but try finding an FFL in CT to do the transfer 
Or if you think it's legal, I'm sure an out of state FFL will sell it to you. |
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Negative SB The only part of the firearm above your firing hands fingers is the bbl and the mag. The "action" is almost in your armpit. Bbl is not specifically named in the day definition of action. While it does say "not limited to", get some balls and let your lawyer handle that part, if it ever comes to it. I say legal with muzzle device. All day. Where is the charging handle? The pictures/video of the PS90 that I've seen put it forward of the trigger which means your hand IS directly underneath one of the specific parts they name as being the "action of the weapon". |
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The "cocking handle" is forward of the firing fingers. The "cocking handle body" (which, again, is not a named part) is over the firing fingers. Quoted:
The "cocking handle" is forward of the firing fingers. The "cocking handle body" (which, again, is not a named part) is over the firing fingers. The problem with the PS90 and even many bullpup designs is the fact that the mechanism used to load a round is forward of the grip which means the mechanism has to run above the grip back to the chamber/breach to behind the grip in order to load the firearm. As such technically the grip is below the action of the weapon. If there are FFL's selling them, great. But I suspect that some (maybe more than some) don't want to risk touching such a firearm out of fear the state view it as an AW. The problem is the vague language like; "any portion of the action of the weapon" and "but is not limited to" could be interpreted many ways by law enforcement, courts and the state.. Quoted:
We've found a legal firearm. No, you think you've found a legal firearm. If so, then who's selling them? Quoted:
Why they arguing Who's arguing? People are disagreeing over the language and interpretation of the law. Again if FFL's are selling them, great. If not, then ask yourself why they are not selling them. |
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Please watch this and then tell me the action is above your hand.
I owned a ps90. I know how it works. By CTs wording and with a muzzle device, I say legal. Argue: give reasons or cite evidence in support of an idea, action, or theory, typically with the aim of persuading others to share one's view. This is what we are engaging in, no? |
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Again, using the correct part name this time, the "Stud Cocking Handle/Cocking Handle Assembly" is forward of the grip. To load/eject a round the Stud Cocking Handle had to be manipulated. Does that not technically make the Stud Cocking Handle/Cocking Handle Assembly part of the "action of the weapon"? Even the animation you linked to shows the manipulation of the Stud Cocking Handle/Cocking Handle Assembly being above and forward of the grip at about the 40 second mark and again at about the 48 second mark. What CT FFL's are selling them? |
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SB The handle IS forward of the group as you say. So forward, in fact, that your second finger never really gets under it. Look at the grip angle for the rest of your hand. But the mechanism that loads/ejects the round runs back, above the grip, to the receiver portion behind the grip. Again we can discuss, argue or what ever you want to call it but it sure looks like the fingers of the trigger hand are directly below a portion of the "action of the weapon" per the vague open ended way the state defines action of the weapon and the stock/grip of the semiautomatic centerfire rifle. Again who's selling them? People are clamoring to buy them, so you'd think FFLs would be selling them if the barrel could be modified so the overall length is over 30 inches. I have yet to hear anyone buying one post 4/4/13, even though people have asked about them post 4/4/13. |
lets say that the action trigger argument is good to go now u have to take the shroud off the barrel, which is imperative to the functioning of the weapon. and make or weld something 4 inches or longer on the shroud to make it 30 inches long. then screw the shroud back on after u drilled out the blind pin to remove the shroud. and the barrel itself has a wierd 12x1 lh thread so just adding a muzzle brake to it still wont work cause u need the block up against the upper from the shroud. the shroud is holding the barrel in the upper. doing an sbr on mine so been researching it alot. good luck trying to add something to this barrel. here is pic
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Look at the animation again. Around 51 sec you can clearly see the action never moves beyond the ejection port. The ejection port is behind the grip. Look at how the state defines action of the weapon: "(3) “Action of the weapon” means the part of the firearm that loads, fires and ejects a cartridge, which part includes, but is not limited to, the upper and lower receiver, charging handle, forward assist, magazine release and shell deflector;" Because its open ended and vague technically parts that help load, fire and eject a cartridge "which part includes, but is not limited to" the ones they name could be considered part of the action. Because one can load/eject a cartridge by manipulating the mechanism in front of the trigger/grip it means the mechanism to load/eject runs above the grip/trigger to the ejection port behind the trigger. What we see here is the same problem some other bull pup style firearms have. Portions of the load/eject mechanism are above the trigger/grip because they are located in front of the grip/trigger and the chamber/ejection port is located behind the grip/trigger. The PS90 may be legal if over 30 inches in length, or it may not because of how the stupid law is written. It all comes down to one's interpretation and opinion. FFL's may sell it (if the barrel is long enough) or they may not. Either way a LEO if they wanted to could simply decide it's an AW and let a couple of lawyers (and possibly the court) figure it out on the owner's behalf. What would be interesting to know is if anyone who has a PS90 that is over 30 inches in length registered it as an AW and if so why. Those PS90's under 30 inches were supposed to be registered as AW's. |
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lets say that the action trigger argument is good to go now u have to take the shroud off the barrel, which is imperative to the functioning of the weapon. and make or weld something 4 inches or longer on the shroud to make it 30 inches long. then screw the shroud back on after u drilled out the blind pin to remove the shroud. and the barrel itself has a wierd 12x1 lh thread so just adding a muzzle brake to it still wont work cause u need the block up against the upper from the shroud. the shroud is holding the barrel in the upper. doing an sbr on mine so been researching it alot. good luck trying to add something to this barrel. here is pic <a href="http://s1244.photobucket.com/user/mcorentin/media/24587411_zps40e6c0e2.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1244.photobucket.com/albums/gg567/mcorentin/24587411_zps40e6c0e2.jpg</a> What you could do, if the whole action of the weapon issue is resolved, is pin a fake can on the barrel. Like the one below that is 7.30 inches in length. Obviously you'd need to have the FFL do it prior to selling/transferring the firearm to you (unless your an exempted persons). 
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If the fake can doesn't extend the barrel enough the other option is to extend extend the stock in some fashion. Supposedly these guys sell or sold 18 3/8 inch barrels that might work if you stick a long enough muzzle brake or fake can on it.
The other option is to go the CA route like is described in this link that might make the PS90 CT legal. |
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here u go slide it down to 30 inches long and have it pinned or welded in place. might fly. just takes away from coolness. fuck malloy for all this bullshit <a href="http://s1244.photobucket.com/user/mcorentin/media/ps90califcompliant_zps8ad78373.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1244.photobucket.com/albums/gg567/mcorentin/ps90califcompliant_zps8ad78373.jpg</a> And of course after all that, your stuck (if you follow the law) with 10 round magazines unless you bought some prior to 4/4/13. 
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The standard PS90 has a legal length barrel. http://www.fnhusa.com/l/products/carbines/ps90-standard/ Still not legal in CT as the overall length is still under 30 inches. The state defines any post 9/13/94 manufactured semiautomatic centerfire rifle under 30 inches as an "assault weapon". |
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Not that easy with the sleeved barrel Quoted:
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add a muzzle device and it should be gtg Not that easy with the sleeved barrel the muzzle device on a PS90 threads off the sleeve. make a newer, longer, muzzle device and thread it on. 
Get a muzzle device that brings the length out. |
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And of course after all that, your stuck (if you follow the law) with 10 round magazines unless you bought some prior to 4/4/13. Quoted:
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here u go slide it down to 30 inches long and have it pinned or welded in place. might fly. just takes away from coolness. fuck malloy for all this bullshit <a href="http://s1244.photobucket.com/user/mcorentin/media/ps90califcompliant_zps8ad78373.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1244.photobucket.com/albums/gg567/mcorentin/ps90califcompliant_zps8ad78373.jpg</a> And of course after all that, your stuck (if you follow the law) with 10 round magazines unless you bought some prior to 4/4/13. This !!!! You buy a PS90for being compact and able to hold 50 rounds not 10 rounds 
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I need to hear a second oppinion but he says the new law doesn't apply to class 3, and someone like our friend the State Lawyer that says we can have pre bans "clarified it".. If it's true I can buy a new fully loaded Larue or something as I have 200 AR mags.. All registered...,
OH SH!T if this is true I could get an SBS Saiga 12 from Tromix (I have 4 drums and 12 mags for that too for my standard saiga 12) Edit AGAIN: a SBR MKE SP89 when they come out..... Sh!t, I got no MP-5 mags... DUH!!!! |
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here u go slide it down to 30 inches long and have it pinned or welded in place. might fly. just takes away from coolness. fuck malloy for all this bullshit <a href="http://s1244.photobucket.com/user/mcorentin/media/ps90califcompliant_zps8ad78373.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1244.photobucket.com/albums/gg567/mcorentin/ps90califcompliant_zps8ad78373.jpg</a> And of course after all that, your stuck (if you follow the law) with 10 round magazines unless you bought some prior to 4/4/13. This !!!! You buy a PS90for being compact and able to hold 50 rounds not 10 rounds They are a pretty expensive way to shoot .22Magnum too |
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I need to hear a second oppinion but he says the new law doesn't apply to class 3, and someone like our friend the State Lawyer that says we can have pre bans "clarified it".. If it's true I can buy a new fully loaded Larue or something as I have 200 AR mags.. All registered..., OH SH!T if this is true I could get an SBS Saiga 12 from Tromix (I have 4 drums and 12 mags for that too for my standard saiga 12) Edit AGAIN: a SBR MKE SP89 when they come out..... Sh!t, I got no MP-5 mags... DUH!!!! There is nothing in the new law exempting class 3 firearms. ETA: In fact, the law states "ANY semiautomatic _____" |