Posted: 6/15/2013 2:21:44 AM EDT
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This is my question too in addition to the question about changing/modifying an existing compliant AR in the future (staying compliant but maybe changing barrel length, etc. . Will we even be able to buy parts? Seems to me that CT essentially put a halt to all of that freezing what configuration we had especially after it's registered.
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So can we buy new uppers for our existing "assult rifles"? Yes. Quoted:
This is my question too in addition to the question about changing/modifying an existing compliant AR in the future (staying compliant but maybe changing barrel length, etc. . Will we even be able to buy parts? Seems to me that CT essentially put a halt to all of that freezing what configuration we had especially after it's registered. Where in the law does it say you cannot buy parts or an upper or add features for a firearm already classified/reclassified (and registered) as an "assault weapon"? They law only says you cannot have "a part or combination of parts designed or intended to convert a firearm into an assault weapon ... or any combination of parts from which an assault weapon may be assembled if those parts are in the possession or under the control of the same person." While some politicians/lawyers feel that our guns are "frozen in place" feature wise, the consensus is that nothing in the law actually states that for any firearm classified or reclassified as an "assault weapon". The only problem is finding a place online that will ship parts or complete uppers to you since more than a few online sellers have halted sales to our state while they figure out the new laws. Local shops may have the parts, if so buy local. |
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nothing in the new says we cant put an upper on a lower, ow swap out parts the reason people have stopped shipping to CT is because part of the law says no parts to make an AW out of that law has been on the books since 94............. buy and build it! just got a y/m bcg a couple weeks ago! gonna do a tour of the LGS ! |
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They law only says you cannot have "a part or combination of parts designed or intended to convert a firearm into an assault weapon ... or any combination of parts from which an assault weapon may be assembled if those parts are in the possession or under the control of the same person." this is 100% correct, and honestly quite simple. notice the wording: "CONVERT INTO" an assault weapon. if a gun is already classified as an assault weapon by name, you can't convert it into something it already is. and remember, the part with the serial number is the actual firearm. any part that does not have the serial number on it is not a firearm and can be bought/sold however you please. and the bit about "may be assembled" means you would have to possess all the parts to build a complete functional gun in order for that part to even apply. which is stupid and pointless to have in the law, because the other parts of the law say the same damn thing just in different words. |
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Anyone know any places with uppers in stock that are shipping to CT? BCM, i believe ranier arms, and a bunch of others, i just can remember them all +1 on BCM Frequently out of stock, but if you sign up for their "email me when in stock" feature, you'll get what you want soon. Just be ready to order as soon as the notification comes in. |
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Ordered a complete upper from BCM this past sunday @ 9pm, it was in my hands wednesday @ 4pm  . They seriously do not fuck around. Very very impressed with them and the Upper is a piece of art.Hey, Mind if I ask what model? I am looking into picking up a mid length. Then eventually an MK12 setup. |
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I am confused by the "assemble" and "convert" part. I know we have to wait and see what the forms say, but suppose I have a complete lower. Also suppose that I have a complete upper out of state, which has a flash supressor and bayo lug on it. Also suppose that out of state I have a retractable stock.
Suppose the forms don't say anything other than put down the serial number of what you have. Say I do that, then put my upper on the lower after I get the lower registered, and my retractable stock - legal? |
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Quoted: Quoted: They law only says you cannot have "a part or combination of parts designed or intended to convert a firearm into an assault weapon ... or any combination of parts from which an assault weapon may be assembled if those parts are in the possession or under the control of the same person." this is 100% correct, and honestly quite simple. notice the wording: "CONVERT INTO" an assault weapon. if a gun is already classified as an assault weapon by name, you can't convert it into something it already is. and remember, the part with the serial number is the actual firearm. any part that does not have the serial number on it is not a firearm and can be bought/sold however you please. and the bit about "may be assembled" means you would have to possess all the parts to build a complete functional gun in order for that part to even apply. which is stupid and pointless to have in the law, because the other parts of the law say the same damn thing just in different words. I'm still confused myself on the parts thing, as to really what and what isn't allowed anymore. They haven't clarified it that much. Probably a good idea to grab some more stuff now though.
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They law only says you cannot have "a part or combination of parts designed or intended to convert a firearm into an assault weapon ... or any combination of parts from which an assault weapon may be assembled if those parts are in the possession or under the control of the same person." this is 100% correct, and honestly quite simple. notice the wording: "CONVERT INTO" an assault weapon. if a gun is already classified as an assault weapon by name, you can't convert it into something it already is. and remember, the part with the serial number is the actual firearm. any part that does not have the serial number on it is not a firearm and can be bought/sold however you please. and the bit about "may be assembled" means you would have to possess all the parts to build a complete functional gun in order for that part to even apply. which is stupid and pointless to have in the law, because the other parts of the law say the same damn thing just in different words. I'm still confused myself on the parts thing, as to really what and what isn't allowed anymore. They haven't clarified it that much. Probably a good idea to grab some more stuff now though.
the AR15 is still legal to own, just not buy..................yet and according to their own language, you can still buy an AR15, as long as its not named, and is compliant. all because they used the word copy, and type, like they did the last go around with the AK47s thats how i see it anyways |
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I am confused by the "assemble" and "convert" part. I know we have to wait and see what the forms say, but suppose I have a complete lower. Also suppose that I have a complete upper out of state, which has a flash supressor and bayo lug on it. Also suppose that out of state I have a retractable stock. Suppose the forms don't say anything other than put down the serial number of what you have. Say I do that, then put my upper on the lower after I get the lower registered, and my retractable stock - legal? yes, legal. Quoted:
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I am confused by the "assemble" and "convert" part. I'd assume if you have AR15 parts in your tool box but no AR15, then you are in trouble. Because you have parts to create or assemble an assault weapon. incorrect. you would need ALL the parts to assemble a complete functional AR for this to apply. Quoted:
the AR15 is still legal to own, just not buy..................yet and according to their own language, you can still buy an AR15, as long as its not named, and is compliant. all because they used the word copy, and type, like they did the last go around with the AK47s thats how i see it anyways[/div] the new amendment brought back 53-202m, which now makes it legal again to buy/sell/trade/transfer any pre-ban firearm (centerfire and rimfire) that is not listed by name in subdivision 1 or 2. |
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the new amendment brought back 53-202m, which now makes it legal again to buy/sell/trade/transfer any pre-ban firearm. ANY pre-ban firearm
thats not listed not listed where? because none of these new laws will be listed on the official cgs site until jan 1st. it is however listed in the actual amendment |
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the new amendment brought back 53-202m, which now makes it legal again to buy/sell/trade/transfer any pre-ban firearm. ANY pre-ban firearm
thats not listed not listed where? because none of these new laws will be listed on the official cgs site until jan 1st. it is however listed in the actual amendment prebans that are not listed, cant buy a listed firearm by name |
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the new amendment brought back 53-202m, which now makes it legal again to buy/sell/trade/transfer any pre-ban firearm. ANY pre-ban firearm Not quite true. You can buy, sell, trade or transfer, any pre 9/13/94 firearm that is not banned by name from the pre 4/4/13 law. Here is the language (from 1094 which hasn't gone into effect yet). Sec. 11. Section 53-202m of the general statutes is repealed and the following is substituted in lieu thereof (Effective from passage):
Notwithstanding any provision of the general statutes, sections 53-202a to 53-202l, inclusive, as amended by this act, shall not be construed to limit the transfer or require the registration of an assault weapon as defined in subdivision (3) or (4) of subsection (a) of section 53-202a of the general statutes, revision of 1958, revised to January 1, 2013, provided such firearm was legally manufactured prior to September 13, 1994. Notice the part in red. Subdivision (3) of section 53-202a (prior to 4/4/13) start off with this language; "(3) Any semiautomatic firearm not listed in subdivision (1) of this subsection that meets the following criteria..." As such the banned by name list, subdivision (1), from the pre 4/4/13 is still in effect for firearms manufactured prior to 9/13/94. |
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Quoted: Quoted: the new amendment brought back 53-202m, which now makes it legal again to buy/sell/trade/transfer any pre-ban firearm. ANY pre-ban firearm Not quite true. You can buy, sell, trade or transfer, any firearm that is not banned by name from the pre 4/4/13 law. Here is the language (from 1094 which hasn't gone into effect yet). Sec. 11. Section 53-202m of the general statutes is repealed and the following is substituted in lieu thereof (Effective from passage): Notwithstanding any provision of the general statutes, sections 53-202a to 53-202l, inclusive, as amended by this act, shall not be construed to limit the transfer or require the registration of an assault weapon as defined in subdivision (3) or (4) of subsection (a) of section 53-202a of the general statutes, revision of 1958, revised to January 1, 2013, provided such firearm was legally manufactured prior to September 13, 1994. Notice the part in red. Subdivision (3) section 53-202a (prior to 4/4/13) start off with this language; "(3) Any semiautomatic firearm not listed in subdivision (1) of this subsection that meets the following criteria..." As such the banned by name list, subdivision (1), from the pre 4/4/13 is still in effect for firearms manufactured prior to 9/13/94. Are you sure? I think only rimfires that are pre-94 and not banned by name on the old list may not need reg. I think centerfire would be caught under the new bill. |
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the new amendment brought back 53-202m, which now makes it legal again to buy/sell/trade/transfer any pre-ban firearm. ANY pre-ban firearm Not quite true. You can buy, sell, trade or transfer, any firearm that is not banned by name from the pre 4/4/13 law. Here is the language (from 1094 which hasn't gone into effect yet). Sec. 11. Section 53-202m of the general statutes is repealed and the following is substituted in lieu thereof (Effective from passage):
Notwithstanding any provision of the general statutes, sections 53-202a to 53-202l, inclusive, as amended by this act, shall not be construed to limit the transfer or require the registration of an assault weapon as defined in subdivision (3) or (4) of subsection (a) of section 53-202a of the general statutes, revision of 1958, revised to January 1, 2013, provided such firearm was legally manufactured prior to September 13, 1994. Notice the part in red. Subdivision (3) section 53-202a (prior to 4/4/13) start off with this language; "(3) Any semiautomatic firearm not listed in subdivision (1) of this subsection that meets the following criteria..." As such the banned by name list, subdivision (1), from the pre 4/4/13 is still in effect for firearms manufactured prior to 9/13/94. Are you sure? I think only rimfires that are pre-94 and not banned by name on the old list may not need reg. I think centerfire would be caught under the new bill. No, any semi-auto that is not banned by name and was built before Sept 13, 1994 is still transferable and not subject to registration. 53-202m is the exemption for ANY semi-auto meeting that criteria, and is not specific to rimfire, centerfire, or shotguns. |
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the new amendment brought back 53-202m, which now makes it legal again to buy/sell/trade/transfer any pre-ban firearm. ANY pre-ban firearm Not quite true. You can buy, sell, trade or transfer, any firearm that is not banned by name from the pre 4/4/13 law. Here is the language (from 1094 which hasn't gone into effect yet). Sec. 11. Section 53-202m of the general statutes is repealed and the following is substituted in lieu thereof (Effective from passage):
Notwithstanding any provision of the general statutes, sections 53-202a to 53-202l, inclusive, as amended by this act, shall not be construed to limit the transfer or require the registration of an assault weapon as defined in subdivision (3) or (4) of subsection (a) of section 53-202a of the general statutes, revision of 1958, revised to January 1, 2013, provided such firearm was legally manufactured prior to September 13, 1994. Notice the part in red. Subdivision (3) section 53-202a (prior to 4/4/13) start off with this language; "(3) Any semiautomatic firearm not listed in subdivision (1) of this subsection that meets the following criteria..." As such the banned by name list, subdivision (1), from the pre 4/4/13 is still in effect for firearms manufactured prior to 9/13/94. Are you sure? I think only rimfires that are pre-94 and not banned by name on the old list may not need reg. I think centerfire would be caught under the new bill. OK, since you think that centerfire rifles are not subject to the section of the public act I quoted, please post the section of law that supports your interpretation of why centerfire rifles are not subject to the quoted subsection. Click To View Spoiler |
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the new amendment brought back 53-202m, which now makes it legal again to buy/sell/trade/transfer any pre-ban firearm. ANY pre-ban firearm Not quite true. You can buy, sell, trade or transfer, any pre 9/13/94 firearm that is not banned by name from the pre 4/4/13 law. Here is the language (from 1094 which hasn't gone into effect yet). Sec. 11. Section 53-202m of the general statutes is repealed and the following is substituted in lieu thereof (Effective from passage):
Notwithstanding any provision of the general statutes, sections 53-202a to 53-202l, inclusive, as amended by this act, shall not be construed to limit the transfer or require the registration of an assault weapon as defined in subdivision (3) or (4) of subsection (a) of section 53-202a of the general statutes, revision of 1958, revised to January 1, 2013, provided such firearm was legally manufactured prior to September 13, 1994. Notice the part in red. Subdivision (3) of section 53-202a (prior to 4/4/13) start off with this language; "(3) Any semiautomatic firearm not listed in subdivision (1) of this subsection that meets the following criteria..." As such the banned by name list, subdivision (1), from the pre 4/4/13 is still in effect for firearms manufactured prior to 9/13/94. ah yes, I stand corrected. I keep forgetting it only refers to subdivisions 3 and 4. edited my post to reflect that |