Posted: 5/24/2013 4:06:47 AM EDT
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Just noticed all my standard capacity Smith and Wesson M&P 40 magazines are also labeled .357.
Maybe now I'll have to but a full size .357. Wonder what registration will be like? Guess we find out soon enough June 1st? |
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back in the first ban, didnt guys with glocks buy 10rd glock 40 mags, because they could squeeze in a couple extra 9s into it? a mag made for a certain round, but able to hold more then rated for with a different caliber in it................. if thats the case, and i believe it is, didnt all of our AR mags come set up for 458 socom? |
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heres another question back in the first ban, didnt guys with glocks buy 10rd glock 40 mags, because they could squeeze in a couple extra 9s into it? a mag made for a certain round, but able to hold more then rated for with a different caliber in it................. if thats the case, and i believe it is, didnt all of our AR mags come set up for 458 socom? Yes, pinch the feed lips a little closer together and your 10rnd .40 mag turns into approx 12rnd 9mm mag. You can do it without pinching the feed lips but you run the risk of a bullet ejection rainbow after the first shot. |
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heres another question back in the first ban, didnt guys with glocks buy 10rd glock 40 mags, because they could squeeze in a couple extra 9s into it? a mag made for a certain round, but able to hold more then rated for with a different caliber in it................. if thats the case, and i believe it is, didnt all of our AR mags come set up for 458 socom? Yes, pinch the feed lips a little closer together and your 10rnd .40 mag turns into approx 12rnd 9mm mag. You can do it without pinching the feed lips but you run the risk of a bullet ejection rainbow after the first shot. so does that make 10rd 40cal glock mags illegal? or does that mean that 10rd 458socom mags wont have to be registered? thats my million dollar question for today |
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heres another question back in the first ban, didnt guys with glocks buy 10rd glock 40 mags, because they could squeeze in a couple extra 9s into it? a mag made for a certain round, but able to hold more then rated for with a different caliber in it................. if thats the case, and i believe it is, didnt all of our AR mags come set up for 458 socom? A) It's the other way around. The standard AR mag can accomodate the .458 socom, although it will be single stack. B) Because it IS the other way around, I will be very surprised there would be even one prosecutor who'd buy the argument that the standard AR mag being used everywhere else in creation for .556 platform wasn't a LCM because you were using it to feed a different cartridge. C) It MIGHT be grounds in a void for vagueness lawsuit to have the law overturned, though... |
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heres another question back in the first ban, didnt guys with glocks buy 10rd glock 40 mags, because they could squeeze in a couple extra 9s into it? a mag made for a certain round, but able to hold more then rated for with a different caliber in it................. if thats the case, and i believe it is, didnt all of our AR mags come set up for 458 socom? A) It's the other way around. The standard AR mag can accomodate the .458 socom, although it will be single stack. B) Because it IS the other way around, I will be very surprised there would be even one prosecutor who'd buy the argument that the standard AR mag being used everywhere else in creation for .556 platform wasn't a LCM because you were using it to feed a different cartridge. C) It MIGHT be grounds in a void for vagueness lawsuit to have the law overturned, though... or maybe the standard 458socom mag just happens to to accept 556 as well http://www.armslist.com/posts/996279/indianiapolis-indiana-magazines-for-sale---458-socom---thermold--458-socom-magazine then you have this guy over on calguns, selling followers that will accept 556, but wont function correctly http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=618065 |
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so does that make 10rd 40cal glock mags illegal? or does that mean that 10rd 458socom mags wont have to be registered? thats my million dollar question for today the way the state is looking at it, they only go according to the capacity the mag can accept of the caliber[s] that is listed on the mag. if the 10rd .40 mag has .40 listed on it, it's perfectly legal, even if 12 9mm rounds can be fit into it. just don't get caught with 12 9mm rounds in your gun. if the mag is not stamped in any way for its designated caliber, well, that's a crapshoot cuz no one will be able to determine legality of that. |
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the way the state is looking at it, they only go according to the capacity the mag can accept of the caliber[s] that is listed on the mag. if the 10rd .40 mag has .40 listed on it, it's perfectly legal, even if 12 9mm rounds can be fit into it. just don't get caught with 12 9mm rounds in your gun. if the mag is not stamped in any way for its designated caliber, well, that's a crapshoot cuz no one will be able to determine legality of that. That doesn't always work. I have gobs of mags without a caliber stamped or written on them. In fact, most of my AR mags have nothing on them. |
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the way the state is looking at it, they only go according to the capacity the mag can accept of the caliber[s] that is listed on the mag. if the 10rd .40 mag has .40 listed on it, it's perfectly legal, even if 12 9mm rounds can be fit into it. just don't get caught with 12 9mm rounds in your gun. if the mag is not stamped in any way for its designated caliber, well, that's a crapshoot cuz no one will be able to determine legality of that. That doesn't always work. I have gobs of mags without a caliber stamped or written on them. In fact, most of my AR mags have nothing on them. exactly lol |
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the way the state is looking at it, they only go according to the capacity the mag can accept of the caliber[s] that is listed on the mag. if the 10rd .40 mag has .40 listed on it, it's perfectly legal, even if 12 9mm rounds can be fit into it. just don't get caught with 12 9mm rounds in your gun. if the mag is not stamped in any way for its designated caliber, well, that's a crapshoot cuz no one will be able to determine legality of that. That doesn't always work. I have gobs of mags without a caliber stamped or written on them. In fact, most of my AR mags have nothing on them. so stamp um with the caliber? |
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Pretty interesting concept. In fact, I just went and checked and sure enough, my 12 round .450 Bushmaster mags will hold 30 5.56 rounds! figures as much. only downside to that is you still need to reg them cuz they are 12's, which obviously is more than 10 haha. |
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heres another question back in the first ban, didnt guys with glocks buy 10rd glock 40 mags, because they could squeeze in a couple extra 9s into it? a mag made for a certain round, but able to hold more then rated for with a different caliber in it................. if thats the case, and i believe it is, didnt all of our AR mags come set up for 458 socom? Yes, pinch the feed lips a little closer together and your 10rnd .40 mag turns into approx 12rnd 9mm mag. You can do it without pinching the feed lips but you run the risk of a bullet ejection rainbow after the first shot. so does that make 10rd 40cal glock mags illegal? or does that mean that 10rd 458socom mags wont have to be registered? thats my million dollar question for today Here is the section of the law dealing with capacity. Sec. 23. (NEW) (Effective from passage) (a) As used in this section and section 24 of this act: (1) "Large capacity magazine" means any firearm magazine, belt, drum, feed strip or similar device that has the capacity of, or can be readily restored or converted to accept, more than ten rounds of ammunition, but does not include: (A) A feeding device that has been permanently altered so that it cannot accommodate more than ten rounds of ammunition, (B) a .22 caliber tube ammunition feeding device, (C) a tubular magazine that is contained in a lever-action firearm, or (D) a magazine that is permanently inoperable; |
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heres another question back in the first ban, didnt guys with glocks buy 10rd glock 40 mags, because they could squeeze in a couple extra 9s into it? a mag made for a certain round, but able to hold more then rated for with a different caliber in it................. if thats the case, and i believe it is, didnt all of our AR mags come set up for 458 socom? Yes, pinch the feed lips a little closer together and your 10rnd .40 mag turns into approx 12rnd 9mm mag. You can do it without pinching the feed lips but you run the risk of a bullet ejection rainbow after the first shot. so does that make 10rd 40cal glock mags illegal? or does that mean that 10rd 458socom mags wont have to be registered? thats my million dollar question for today Here is the section of the law dealing with capacity. Sec. 23. (NEW) (Effective from passage) (a) As used in this section and section 24 of this act: (1) "Large capacity magazine" means any firearm magazine, belt, drum, feed strip or similar device that has the capacity of, or can be readily restored or converted to accept, more than ten rounds of ammunition, but does not include: (A) A feeding device that has been permanently altered so that it cannot accommodate more than ten rounds of ammunition, (B) a .22 caliber tube ammunition feeding device, (C) a tubular magazine that is contained in a lever-action firearm, or (D) a magazine that is permanently inoperable; an as expected, its left open ended...... the way its written, a glock 40cal 10rd mag could be construed as being readily able to be converted to hold 12rds of 9mm. |
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an as expected, its left open ended...... the way its written, a glock 40cal 10rd mag could be construed as being readily able to be converted to hold 12rds of 9mm. And a 10 round Glock 26 mag can be "readily converted" to hold 11 or 12 rounds by slipping off the base plate and installing a +1 or +2 extension. That literally makes G26 mags LCMs along with every other mag with less than 11 round capacity having a removable base plate and commercially available extensions. The law is an ass. |
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an as expected, its left open ended...... the way its written, a glock 40cal 10rd mag could be construed as being readily able to be converted to hold 12rds of 9mm. And a 10 round Glock 26 mag can be "readily converted" to hold 11 or 12 rounds by slipping off the base plate and installing a +1 or +2 extension. That literally makes G26 mags LCMs along with every other mag with less than 11 round capacity having a removable base plate and commercially available extensions. The law is an ass. so with that said, maybe, just maybe, my 458socom 10rd mags are good to go................. |
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an as expected, its left open ended...... the way its written, a glock 40cal 10rd mag could be construed as being readily able to be converted to hold 12rds of 9mm. And a 10 round Glock 26 mag can be "readily converted" to hold 11 or 12 rounds by slipping off the base plate and installing a +1 or +2 extension. That literally makes G26 mags LCMs along with every other mag with less than 11 round capacity having a removable base plate and commercially available extensions. The law is an ass. so with that said, maybe, just maybe, my 458socom 10rd mags are good to go................. maybe not, cuz if you really wanted, you could probably stuff like 100 .22 shorts into it :p |
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an as expected, its left open ended...... the way its written, a glock 40cal 10rd mag could be construed as being readily able to be converted to hold 12rds of 9mm. And a 10 round Glock 26 mag can be "readily converted" to hold 11 or 12 rounds by slipping off the base plate and installing a +1 or +2 extension. That literally makes G26 mags LCMs along with every other mag with less than 11 round capacity having a removable base plate and commercially available extensions. The law is an ass. so with that said, maybe, just maybe, my 458socom 10rd mags are good to go................. maybe not, cuz if you really wanted, you could probably stuff like 100 .22 shorts into it :p And so began CTHTF's quest to create a firearm that reliably fed from a hopper. |
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And so began CTHTF's quest to create a firearm that reliably fed from a hopper. Pretty much the only option for "high capacity" is to develop a firearm that is fed from multiple tubes since magazines tubes are specifically exempt from the LCM definition. I said in another thread that we need a centerfire rifle fed with multiple tubes that you can rotate or otherwise actuate one after another -- sort of like the KSG. Of course, you would be limitted to flat nose bullets but it would probably be a fun option. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Pretty interesting concept. In fact, I just went and checked and sure enough, my 12 round .450 Bushmaster mags will hold 30 5.56 rounds! figures as much. only downside to that is you still need to reg them cuz they are 12's, which obviously is more than 10 haha. Um, no. Not in NH.  |
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an as expected, its left open ended...... the way its written, a glock 40cal 10rd mag could be construed as being readily able to be converted to hold 12rds of 9mm. And a 10 round Glock 26 mag can be "readily converted" to hold 11 or 12 rounds by slipping off the base plate and installing a +1 or +2 extension. That literally makes G26 mags LCMs along with every other mag with less than 11 round capacity having a removable base plate and commercially available extensions. The law is an ass. The 10rnd glock mags that I have seen are incapable of taking the +1 or +2 extensions. Does that hold true for the 26? |
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The 10rnd glock mags that I have seen are incapable of taking the +1 or +2 extensions. Does that hold true for the 26? Yes. Some of my Glock 26 mags have a +1 extension on them. Takes about 10 seconds to install so I would call that "readily converted." My point is that while this part of the law is unlikely to be enforced, it literally makes those 10 round G26 mags LCMs. |