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4/4/2013 3:01:46 PM EDT
So, since the new AWB repealed the old AWBs definitions of an "assault weapon" and instated the new definition; does that mean we can have an unlimited number of features on the "assault weapons" we have until Jan to register? What about people who have DPS certificates for previously declared "assault weapons" such as the AKM and FN FAL. And what if someone had an AKM and didn't register it before? Could they register it now?

Why does this law have to be so fucking unclear.
4/4/2013 3:06:15 PM EDT
[#1]
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So, since the new AWB repealed the old AWBs definitions of an "assault weapon" and instated the new definition; does that mean we can have an unlimited number of features on the "assault weapons" we have until Jan to register? What about people who have DPS certificates for previously declared "assault weapons" such as the AKM and FN FAL. And what if someone had an AKM and didn't register it before? Could they register it now?

Why does this law have to be so fucking unclear.


+1 I'm so confused
Can I now have an adjustable stock, flash hider, etc?
4/4/2013 3:07:34 PM EDT
[#2]
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So, since the new AWB repealed the old AWBs definitions of an "assault weapon" and instated the new definition; does that mean we can have an unlimited number of features on the "assault weapons" we have until Jan to register? What about people who have DPS certificates for previously declared "assault weapons" such as the AKM and FN FAL. And what if someone had an AKM and didn't register it before? Could they register it now?

Why does this law have to be so fucking unclear.


+1 I'm so confused
Can I now have an adjustable stock, flash hider, etc?


That's what  read somewhere - after you register your current rifle as an AW - you can put the added features on yourself - kind of makes sense -

4/4/2013 3:14:56 PM EDT
[#3]
good point
4/4/2013 3:14:56 PM EDT
[#4]
This would be the first tiny bit of "light" Ive seen so far.


Holding my breath . . .
4/4/2013 3:21:26 PM EDT
[#5]
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So, since the new AWB repealed the old AWBs definitions of an "assault weapon" and instated the new definition; does that mean we can have an unlimited number of features on the "assault weapons" we have until Jan to register? What about people who have DPS certificates for previously declared "assault weapons" such as the AKM and FN FAL. And what if someone had an AKM and didn't register it before? Could they register it now?

Why does this law have to be so fucking unclear.


+1 I'm so confused
Can I now have an adjustable stock, flash hider, etc?


That's what  read somewhere - after you register your current rifle as an AW - you can put the added features on yourself - kind of makes sense -



So what if i had an FN FAL sitting under my bed for the last 10 years? Could I suddenly just register that? ...I wish I had a FAL
4/4/2013 3:21:27 PM EDT
[#6]
Oh we need clarification on this stat
4/4/2013 3:28:36 PM EDT
[#7]
I will try to wait patiently for an answer before I get to worked up about it.  
4/4/2013 3:30:40 PM EDT
[#8]
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So, since the new AWB repealed the old AWBs definitions of an "assault weapon" and instated the new definition; does that mean we can have an unlimited number of features on the "assault weapons" we have until Jan to register? What about people who have DPS certificates for previously declared "assault weapons" such as the AKM and FN FAL. And what if someone had an AKM and didn't register it before? Could they register it now?

Why does this law have to be so fucking unclear.


+1 I'm so confused
Can I now have an adjustable stock, flash hider, etc?


That's what  read somewhere - after you register your current rifle as an AW - you can put the added features on yourself - kind of makes sense -



So what if i had an FN FAL sitting under my bed for the last 10 years? Could I suddenly just register that? ...I wish I had a FAL


That is a good question.  There are A LOT of named guns not picked up in the 93 ban, that one would think that the state would want to capture in this registration.

Like an AK-47 bought out of state in 2006 and lying under someone's bed
4/4/2013 3:35:43 PM EDT
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So, since the new AWB repealed the old AWBs definitions of an "assault weapon" and instated the new definition; does that mean we can have an unlimited number of features on the "assault weapons" we have until Jan to register? What about people who have DPS certificates for previously declared "assault weapons" such as the AKM and FN FAL. And what if someone had an AKM and didn't register it before? Could they register it now?

Why does this law have to be so fucking unclear.


+1 I'm so confused
Can I now have an adjustable stock, flash hider, etc?


That's what  read somewhere - after you register your current rifle as an AW - you can put the added features on yourself - kind of makes sense -



So what if i had an FN FAL sitting under my bed for the last 10 years? Could I suddenly just register that? ...I wish I had a FAL


That is a good question.  There are A LOT of named guns not picked up in the 93 ban, that one would think that the state would want to capture in this registration.

Like an AK-47 bought out of state in 2006 and lying under someone's bed


Yeah, I wonder if they could register it or not. I also wonder what happens to people that already have DPS certificates for their registered AKs, FALs, and all that jazz? Will they have to re-register them?

It would be awesome if someone that bought an out of state ak in 06 could register that puppy. I wish I had more guns
4/4/2013 3:53:48 PM EDT
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So, since the new AWB repealed the old AWBs definitions of an "assault weapon" and instated the new definition; does that mean we can have an unlimited number of features on the "assault weapons" we have until Jan to register? What about people who have DPS certificates for previously declared "assault weapons" such as the AKM and FN FAL. And what if someone had an AKM and didn't register it before? Could they register it now?

Why does this law have to be so fucking unclear.


+1 I'm so confused
Can I now have an adjustable stock, flash hider, etc?


That's what  read somewhere - after you register your current rifle as an AW - you can put the added features on yourself - kind of makes sense -



So what if i had an FN FAL sitting under my bed for the last 10 years? Could I suddenly just register that? ...I wish I had a FAL


That is a good question.  There are A LOT of named guns not picked up in the 93 ban, that one would think that the state would want to capture in this registration.

Like an AK-47 bought out of state in 2006 and lying under someone's bed


Yeah, I wonder if they could register it or not. I also wonder what happens to people that already have DPS certificates for their registered AKs, FALs, and all that jazz? Will they have to re-register them?

It would be awesome if someone that bought an out of state ak in 06 could register that puppy. I wish I had more guns


No you cannot register anything that was specifically named in the previous ban unless you registered it back then. It specifies the two differently. Any other rifle can now have all the evil features as long as you owned it before the end of today.
4/4/2013 4:14:13 PM EDT
[#11]
Can you provide which section? Not saying I don't believe you, I just want to read the entire thing. This bill is such a cluster fuck trying to find something specific is impossible.
4/4/2013 4:15:59 PM EDT
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So, since the new AWB repealed the old AWBs definitions of an "assault weapon" and instated the new definition; does that mean we can have an unlimited number of features on the "assault weapons" we have until Jan to register? What about people who have DPS certificates for previously declared "assault weapons" such as the AKM and FN FAL. And what if someone had an AKM and didn't register it before? Could they register it now?

Why does this law have to be so fucking unclear.


+1 I'm so confused
Can I now have an adjustable stock, flash hider, etc?


That's what  read somewhere - after you register your current rifle as an AW - you can put the added features on yourself - kind of makes sense -



So what if i had an FN FAL sitting under my bed for the last 10 years? Could I suddenly just register that? ...I wish I had a FAL


That is a good question.  There are A LOT of named guns not picked up in the 93 ban, that one would think that the state would want to capture in this registration.

Like an AK-47 bought out of state in 2006 and lying under someone's bed


Yeah, I wonder if they could register it or not. I also wonder what happens to people that already have DPS certificates for their registered AKs, FALs, and all that jazz? Will they have to re-register them?

It would be awesome if someone that bought an out of state ak in 06 could register that puppy. I wish I had more guns


No you cannot register anything that was specifically named in the previous ban unless you registered it back then. It specifies the two differently. Any other rifle can now have all the evil features as long as you owned it before the end of today.


I was going to say, you could pick up an Arsenal in NH easily and it could just become registered here.
4/4/2013 4:19:20 PM EDT
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So I can go into my gun safe right now and replace all pinned stocks with adjustable stocks and put flash hiders on all barrels and be legal? Can someone show me the specific part of the bill
4/4/2013 4:19:55 PM EDT
[#14]
I'd sure like to know about the col. stock being now legal or not?I have a new upper/lower that just needs a stock i'd like to finish it for now.
4/4/2013 4:20:57 PM EDT
[#15]
I want to know the answer NOW, dammit.

4/4/2013 4:24:27 PM EDT
[#16]
Can someone just copy and paste the section of the bill that says we can do that, here for us all to read. Please.
4/4/2013 4:29:42 PM EDT
[#17]
Hurry up and do it.
4/4/2013 4:37:05 PM EDT
[#18]
SBR's are still SBRs correct? Meaning if I register one of said stripped lowers as an AW I still have to go the NFA route to put a barreled upper less than 16" on that lower correct?
Or since its now an AW barrel length doesn't matter?
4/4/2013 4:43:53 PM EDT
[#19]
Anyone?
4/4/2013 4:49:07 PM EDT
[#20]
^ STill has to be registered with the Federal Gov.  Even if it were fine in CT(any barrel length) you'd still have to tell the ATF
4/4/2013 4:50:21 PM EDT
[#21]
They kept the language from -94, don't add any features.
4/4/2013 4:53:31 PM EDT
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They kept the language from -94, don't add any features.


Adjustable stock on a new Noveske stripped lower (that ill register as an AW), yay or nay?
4/4/2013 4:55:29 PM EDT
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They kept the language from -94, don't add any features.


I dont get it. Can you elaborate please?

An assault weapon is an assault weapon is an assault weapon, no?


If its registered as such, why cant you build it as such?
4/4/2013 4:58:48 PM EDT
[#24]
Here is a question, what about .22s, like dedicated .22 ARs and S&W M&P 15-22s?
4/4/2013 5:01:18 PM EDT
[#25]
The law says if it has one listed feature it must be registered, it does not limit the number of features.
4/4/2013 5:02:02 PM EDT
[#26]
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Here is a question, what about .22s, like dedicated .22 ARs and S&W M&P 15-22s?


Only the mags are limited.  
4/4/2013 5:05:00 PM EDT
[#27]
.....nvm

edited
4/4/2013 5:05:24 PM EDT
[#28]
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Can someone just copy and paste the section of the bill that says we can do that, here for us all to read. Please.




Sec. 25. Section 53-202a of the general statutes is repealed and the following is substituted in lieu thereof (Effective from passage):

The old ban language is history.
4/4/2013 5:08:43 PM EDT
[#29]
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The law says if it has one listed feature it must be registered, it does not limit the number of features.


Exactly. It specifies what an assault weapon is, all the features and says if you own a rifle with more than one of those features it's an assault weapon and must be registered by January 1, 2014. The only thing from 1994 has to do with the "named" assault rifles.
4/4/2013 5:11:45 PM EDT
[#30]
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Can someone just copy and paste the section of the bill that says we can do that, here for us all to read. Please.




Sec. 25. Section 53-202a of the general statutes is repealed and the following is substituted in lieu thereof (Effective from passage):

The old ban language is history.


So back to my other question. Like the instance which Dan presented. So what if someone bought an AKM in 7.62x39 in 2006 out of state and brought it here. Could they register that?
4/4/2013 5:19:27 PM EDT
[#31]
Oh, here is the section about '93 ...

) Except as provided in section 53-202e, any person who, within this state, possesses [any] an assault weapon, except as provided in sections [29-37j,] 53-202a to 53-202k, inclusive, as amended by this act, and 53-202o, [and subsection (h) of section 53a-46a,] shall be guilty of a class D felony and shall be sentenced to a term of imprisonment of which one year may not be suspended or reduced [;] by the court, except that a first-time violation of this subsection shall be a class A misdemeanor if (1) the person presents proof that [he] such person lawfully possessed the assault weapon (A) prior to October 1, 1993, with respect to an assault weapon described in subparagraph (A) of subdivision (1) of section 53-202a, as amended by this act, or (B) on the date immediately preceding the effective date of this act, under the provisions of sections 53-202a to 53-202k, inclusive, in effect on January 1, 2013, with respect to an assault weapon described in any provision of subparagraphs (B) to (F), inclusive, of subdivision (1) of section 53-202a, as amended by this act, and (2) the person has otherwise possessed the [firearm] assault weapon in compliance with subsection [(d)] (f) of section 53-202d, as amended by this act.

So, they repealed it, but refer to it as being  amended here...
4/4/2013 5:23:11 PM EDT
[#32]
So I take it that's a NO to my question. I think so, but that fucking passage is so god damn confusing. My head hurts after reading it
4/4/2013 5:35:43 PM EDT
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So I take it that's a NO to my question. I think so, but that fucking passage is so god damn confusing. My head hurts after reading it


Correct.  No, you cannot add features to what was a postban, even if it now qualifies as an AW.

4/4/2013 5:40:34 PM EDT
[#34]
I just can't understand that at all, once and for all can I put an adjustable stock and flash hider on a new Noveske stripped lower I purchased before today
4/4/2013 5:43:29 PM EDT
[#35]
All of the references in the different sections refer to "lawful" possesion, in order to register your assault weapon. If you purchased an assault weapon out of state and brought is here anytime after the 93 ban, but prior to today, if it had more than two evil features, you would not be in "lawful" possesion of that item and not eligible for registration. I don't believe that would include pre 93 ban rifles that were purchased lawfully from a licensed dealer with the proper paperwork as that would be a "lawful" purchase. Also I think that if hypothetically, you did purchase a rifle out of state or face to face with all of the bells and whistles, that if you modified it to a post 93 ban configuraton, that it would then be "lawful" to posess and then could be registered without consequence.

Having said that, I am not a lawer and this should not be construed as legal advice. But I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night.
4/4/2013 6:02:54 PM EDT
[#36]
What about C&R rifles like the SKS and the Garands are those assault weapons now?
4/4/2013 6:05:05 PM EDT
[#37]
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What about C&R rifles like the SKS and the Garands are those assault weapons now?


The Garand isn't as assault weapon (even thought it was used to assault the beaches of Normandy), it only has one feature, a bayonet lug, and if you remove the bayonet lug, it has no features, it's just a semi-auto rifle with an 8 round internal magazine that cannot be removed unless the weapon is disassembled.  
4/4/2013 6:09:02 PM EDT
[#38]
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The law says if it has one listed feature it must be registered, it does not limit the number of features.

That's the way I read it, too.
4/4/2013 6:13:32 PM EDT
[#39]
We will know more in a week or two once the NSSF's and/or the NRA's lawyers get a chance to go over the laws.

I'm disappointed because I had a SAIGA 12 in transit when the law came into effect.
4/4/2013 6:23:18 PM EDT
[#40]
I believe you're simply fucked in regard to the fact you must have owned it prior to signing and that implies compliance with 1994.






I would not want to be the test subject for putting more than one feature on a post-ban right now.
4/4/2013 6:25:08 PM EDT
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I just can't understand that at all, once and for all can I put an adjustable stock and flash hider on a new Noveske stripped lower I purchased before today


I'm going with "no."

 
4/4/2013 8:21:01 PM EDT
[#42]
edit - on second thought - WTF am I doing.