Posted: 2/21/2013 5:59:58 PM EDT
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Probably to ensure they are not selling to a NYS resident.
It's BS CYA. The environment is volatile. Nobody wants to hang their ass out for a stranger. I've done DPS-3 on long guns with board members. I wasn't butthurt. THey had their reasons, and I wanted their gun. It was getting registered under NFA anyways, so it didn't really matter that DPS knew about it at that point. |
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if you do that, you get a nasty letter from the DPS about 3-9 months later bitching about you not sending it in.
Then they give you like 30 days to send it in, or else then they cut you off from obtaining new authorization numbers, so you become a nogunz. The state of misunderstanding and fear has reached a level where people are concerned that even if they sell to a legitimate buyer, that something could happen to the gun like it gets stolen, and then used in a crime. People from CT are wound up tight for good reason, and want a paper trail PROVING that the gun no longer belongs to them. |
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...and no body minds that it's a registration system? If they are selling it, it probably has been bought on a DPS-3, so in their eyes it has been "registered" already. They want to do the DPS-3 to "de-register" it. See my above point about fear that it would fall into wrong hands. There have been so many headlines over the years about making gun owners have to report their lost arms, stolen arms, etc, etc, and of course, now we have the bills promoting indemnity insurance. The assumption amongst the sheep is that we already have a registration system............. First question out of non-gun owners' mouths when the find out that I have guns is " do you have a liscence for those?????" And we are talking shotguns and .22's. I don't disclose my handguns or evil black guns. |
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...and no body minds that it's a registration system? I really could care less, because I don't plan on doing anything illegal with them.. . or retaining them if possession is proscribed. Virtually all of my guns were purchased at retail, in Connecticut. Most of those guns were second-hand. I actually like that papertrail, because it evidences where the firearm came from in the event that its provenance was ever questioned. |
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Why do CT guys love to do these things for long gun private sales? I have only sold a couple of guns and Iam one of those people who may require paperwork. The policy that I have established for myself is that if somebody is not immediate family, or a pistol permit holder, I am doing a BG check no matter what. In other instances, I may or may not. In at least one instance, my demand for an auth and paperwork prevented transfer of a firearm to a member of this forum who I (have come to ) believe (based on a pattern of behavior) is (or at the time was) prohibited from possessing firearms. In other instances, it is CYA- and is a method of shielding myself should there be a problem later on. |
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...and no body minds that it's a registration system? I really could care less, because I don't plan on doing anything illegal with them.. . or retaining them if possession is proscribed. Virtually all of my guns were purchased at retail, in Connecticut. Most of those guns were second-hand. I actually like that papertrail, because it evidences where the firearm came from in the event that its provenance was ever questioned. Well I guess if you don't care about them coming to take them at some point...paying for the insurance...allowing them to inspect your home as an owner...etc etc etc... |
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why are NY guys so worried about how CT guys do FTF sales?  I'm a CT resident ATM. It just seemed odd to me considering what is going on back home regarding state-wide registration and massive non-compliance. DPS-3 is not really a registration any more than a 1073 is. If that was enough, we wouldn't be talking about registration in the sense that is being discussed in the legislature regarding "assault weapons". All handguns, unless bought before DPS-3, or brought in from out of state as household goods are on a DPS-3. So if anyone owns a handgun that they CCW, they are fucked by your definition. |
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why are NY guys so worried about how CT guys do FTF sales? I'm a CT resident ATM. It just seemed odd to me considering what is going on back home regarding state-wide registration and massive non-compliance. DPS-3 is not really a registration any more than a 1073 is. If that was enough, we wouldn't be talking about registration in the sense that is being discussed in the legislature regarding "assault weapons". All handguns, unless bought before DPS-3, or brought in from out of state as household goods are on a DPS-3. So if anyone owns a handgun that they CCW, they are fucked by your definition. Handguns are offered more affirmative protection under the law. The vulnerable guns are the ones that aren't required to be subject to tracking in private sales but seem to be anyway. I don't have an opinion beyond the fact that the govt probly shouldn't have the ability to figure out who owns what, I'm just trying to understand. If I'm lucky I'll never sell a gun. |
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...and no body minds that it's a registration system? I really could care less, because I don't plan on doing anything illegal with them.. . or retaining them if possession is proscribed. Virtually all of my guns were purchased at retail, in Connecticut. Most of those guns were second-hand. I actually like that papertrail, because it evidences where the firearm came from in the event that its provenance was ever questioned. Well I guess if you don't care about them coming to take them at some point...paying for the insurance...allowing them to inspect your home as an owner...etc etc etc... If purchasing insurance, possessing specified permits or licences, or being subject inspections is part of the process for lawful ownership- obviously I intend comply, if I decided to continue to possess those items. I also intend to comply with any ban(s) that get passed. I have no interest sitting on a pile of contraband.... Obviously, I'm not jumping around with a sign saying I want registration b/c I don't WANT it. However, I'm not about to go chicken little either. |
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why are NY guys so worried about how CT guys do FTF sales? I'm a CT resident ATM. It just seemed odd to me considering what is going on back home regarding state-wide registration and massive non-compliance. DPS-3 is not really a registration any more than a 1073 is. If that was enough, we wouldn't be talking about registration in the sense that is being discussed in the legislature regarding "assault weapons". All handguns, unless bought before DPS-3, or brought in from out of state as household goods are on a DPS-3. So if anyone owns a handgun that they CCW, they are fucked by your definition. Handguns are offered more affirmative protection under the law. The vulnerable guns are the ones that aren't required to be subject to tracking in private sales but seem to be anyway. I don't have an opinion beyond the fact that the govt probly shouldn't have the ability to figure out who owns what, I'm just trying to understand. If I'm lucky I'll never sell a gun. I'm not really sure that anyone here will be able to help you with that. We are not really in control of this. What do you mean that handguns are offered more affirmative protection under the law? If you are worried about police knocking on the door to check your guns and insurance, it really will not matter if it is a handgun or not. |
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I'm not really sure that anyone here will be able to help you with that. We are not really in control of this. What do you mean that handguns are offered more affirmative protection under the law? If you are worried about police knocking on the door to check your guns and insurance, it really will not matter if it is a handgun or not. It's relevant to confiscation. Because of Heller, they won't be coming for your handguns. AR pattern rifles would tend to make you a target for confiscation actions, a time at which I would be thinking about moving them to storage out of state. Individually, if that is what you are expecting, I guess it's nice to pass the target on affirmatively, if they are tracking them, probly don't want bad info leading them to you for a gun you don't have. It makes sense to me now I guess. Just seems like buying into a system that enables them to do bad things in exchange for some security in sales. Like I said, no judgements either way, but I think I understand better where you are coming from. |
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I'm not really sure that anyone here will be able to help you with that. We are not really in control of this. What do you mean that handguns are offered more affirmative protection under the law? If you are worried about police knocking on the door to check your guns and insurance, it really will not matter if it is a handgun or not. It's relevant to confiscation. Because of Heller, they won't be coming for your handguns. AR pattern rifles would tend to make you a target for confiscation actions, a time at which I would be thinking about moving them to storage out of state. Individually, if that is what you are expecting, I guess it's nice to pass the target on affirmatively, if they are tracking them, probly don't want bad info leading them to you for a gun you don't have. It makes sense to me now I guess. Just seems like buying into a system that enables them to do bad things in exchange for some security in sales. Like I said, no judgements either way, but I think I understand better where you are coming from. Where I am coming from? I think you need to ask the buyer/seller who is asking for the DPS-3. I don't do DPS-3 on long guns or receivers sold FTF. Based on my experience and conversations, it would be in the minority ask for the DPS-3. In many cases, they don't even know about it. If this is a pattern that you are encountering, you either need to evaluate yourself or who you are buying/selling to an from. I think you are seeing "us" as embracing registration of some sort, which is wrong. |
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I'm not really sure that anyone here will be able to help you with that. We are not really in control of this. What do you mean that handguns are offered more affirmative protection under the law? If you are worried about police knocking on the door to check your guns and insurance, it really will not matter if it is a handgun or not. It's relevant to confiscation. Because of Heller, they won't be coming for your handguns. AR pattern rifles would tend to make you a target for confiscation actions, a time at which I would be thinking about moving them to storage out of state. Individually, if that is what you are expecting, I guess it's nice to pass the target on affirmatively, if they are tracking them, probly don't want bad info leading them to you for a gun you don't have. It makes sense to me now I guess. Just seems like buying into a system that enables them to do bad things in exchange for some security in sales. Like I said, no judgements either way, but I think I understand better where you are coming from. Where I am coming from? I think you need to ask the buyer/seller who is asking for the DPS-3. I don't do DPS-3 on long guns or receivers sold FTF. Based on my experience and conversations, it would be in the minority ask for the DPS-3. In many cases, they don't even know about it. If this is a pattern that you are encountering, you either need to evaluate yourself or who you are buying/selling to an from. I think you are seeing "us" as embracing registration of some sort, which is wrong. No one has unexpectedly asked me for anything. I've just been seeing it in Ads recently, now I understand why that might be. Noted. I really don't know how common it is, just that I've seen it a few times recently. |
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If its a relative or good friend no form. Otherwise its check Id to ensure state residence and fill out a DPS form but no phone call. Emsjeep I don't know why you are worried about confiscation. If they are coming for any gun they will take them all if confiscation is going to happen. |
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The happy medium is filling out the DPS3 and not mailing it in. No auth number. That way I know where the gun went, and no need to tie up the state resources. This is *usually* the way I roll, except for gun shows of course. On the items I have sold that's how I did it. Filled out their info from permit, had them sign, done. |