Posted: 2/20/2010 10:21:11 AM EDT
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I have been talking with Adam over at Hk parts.net and I am interested in getting a MP5 build(I would buy the MP5 parts kit and the MP5/HK94 flatened reciever from him) and then have it shipped to a HK armorer in Florida to have it assembeld. My question is this legal in Ct? I have been reading the ct ASSault weapons ban and the MP5 is not listed but the HK94 is on the list. My FFL is telling me to contact the state police but they wont return my calls or e-mails. Has anyone else done this type of thing before. Help! A Nutmeger who wants a MP5. |
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If it is not named specifically then you may be good to go HOWEVER we still have an assault weapons ban in CT and therefore because the weapon you desire has a pistol grip and accepts a detachable magazine it may not have a third evil feature such as a folding stock/collapsable stock, a flash suppressor or threaded barrell, a bayonet lug.
So long as you only have two evil features and the firearm is not banned specifically by name, you are ok. Others that know more will chime in and should be able to help you out. good luck steve |
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You should have the rifle built by a licensed manufacturer, who can give it any model designation you want. As long as it isn't manufactured by HK and given the model "94", you're OK on that end. As noted, the other half of our AWB also pertains, so you would have to build it with either the fixed stock or a collapsable stock that is pinned in one position so it can't be moved. A three-lug mount on the barrel would be OK, but threads would not.
As usual, a build with a barrel length of less than 16" would be a Short-barrelled Rifle under federal law and would have to be registered and transferred in accordance with the National Firearms Act. |
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Quoted: anyone know if a 3-lug barrel is considered "threaded" for the purposes of the statutes? Nope. There's never been any specific discussion (to my knowledge) about the 3-lug, but the statute's language lends itself towards traditional "threads" that accept a flash suppressor, etc. FWIW, the feds never considered the 3-lug as "threads" during the AWB. To the OP - in addition to the NFA considerations, also keep in mind US parts count for 922r compliance. Make sure you have more than enough to be legal and more than enough so that you can use any magazine you choose. |
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Hi, I have been talking with Adam over at Hk parts.net and I am interested in getting a MP5 build(I would buy the MP5 parts kit and the MP5/HK94 flatened reciever from him) and then have it shipped to a HK armorer in Florida to have it assembeld. My question is this legal in Ct? I have been reading the ct ASSault weapons ban and the MP5 is not listed but the HK94 is on the list. My FFL is telling me to contact the state police but they wont return my calls or e-mails. Has anyone else done this type of thing before. Help! A Nutmeger who wants a MP5. Dont waste your time with the SP I have even contacted their firearms enforcment division sevel times and they never returned any calls or e-mails- They forgot they work for the taxpayers. DPS is also a waste of time they just bounce you from dept to dept until you get fed up and give up, nobody their is going to make a decision and if they do they refuse to fax you any confirmation in writting that you spoke to them. Find an FFL its tough but their out there. |
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You probably won't get an answer to your questions from CSP because they have learned the hard way that their answers will come back and bite them in the ass. No trooper, right up to the commissioner himself, is authorized to give legal advice or interpretations of CT law. They are law enforcement- not law makers (although they have forgotten this at times). Any opinion you get from a state trooper or any other cop isn't worth the paper it's written on as far as the courts are concerned. They have no weight in law. If you wanted to get an opinion on some gun law matter that meant something (and I'm not sure on this) you would propably have to go right to the Attorney General's office and get an opinion from them. Since our AG is only concerned with becoming a Senator these days, good luck with that.
Consider the case of our Secretary of State, who wants to run for the AG's office. There's a question as to whether she has "practiced law" for enough years to be qualified or not, so she submitted the question to the AG's office for an opinion. Being a good fellow Democrat, he sidestepped and refused to issue an opinion, so now she has taken it to court for an opinion from a judge. I imaging one of us would have to go through the same process if we wanted to know for sure if a particular buttstock was legal in the state. Not a big deal if you have a lot of time and money to waste. |
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Thanks for everyone's help and input.I found one online a turner MP5
after talking with my FFL at length and the owner it is Ct compliant. And thanks to the state police for returning my emails and phone calls you are a wealth of knowledge and support to a law abiding citizen who did not run afoul of the laws in our great state. (This last part is sarcasm, they never returned one email or phone call. |
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You probably won't get an answer to your questions from CSP because they have learned the hard way that their answers will come back and bite them in the ass. No trooper, right up to the commissioner himself, is authorized to give legal advice or interpretations of CT law. They are law enforcement- not law makers (although they have forgotten this at times). Any opinion you get from a state trooper or any other cop isn't worth the paper it's written on as far as the courts are concerned. They have no weight in law. If you wanted to get an opinion on some gun law matter that meant something (and I'm not sure on this) you would propably have to go right to the Attorney General's office and get an opinion from them. Since our AG is only concerned with becoming a Senator these days, good luck with that. Consider the case of our Secretary of State, who wants to run for the AG's office. There's a question as to whether she has "practiced law" for enough years to be qualified or not, so she submitted the question to the AG's office for an opinion. Being a good fellow Democrat, he sidestepped and refused to issue an opinion, so now she has taken it to court for an opinion from a judge. I imaging one of us would have to go through the same process if we wanted to know for sure if a particular buttstock was legal in the state. Not a big deal if you have a lot of time and money to waste. I dont understand this at all you are asking if something is illegal or not. You are not asking for an interprtation or a jugment you are asking if it is legal. Its know different than any other law. Are the SP firearms enforcment division really going to claim they dont know the law their just a bunch of lazy pricks that are too busy shooting the bull instead of doing their job. |
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I don't understand it either. I am trying to do the right thing and not run afoul of the laws of Ct. But for some reason the state cops won't give me the time of day.
I have called 4 times and sent 3 e-mails,not so much as a call back or a e-mail to say hey we are busy but give us a week or so. Nothin,nada zilch. Next time they are looking for a donation they can kiss my a$$. And they wonder why the public views them negatively. |
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I don't understand it either. I am trying to do the right thing and not run afoul of the laws of Ct. But for some reason the state cops won't give me the time of day.
I have called 4 times and sent 3 e-mails,not so much as a call back or a e-mail to say hey we are busy but give us a week or so. Nothin,nada zilch. Your looking for a loophole in a state law ... The police aren't going to help you find it. |
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I don't understand it either. I am trying to do the right thing and not run afoul of the laws of Ct. But for some reason the state cops won't give me the time of day.
I have called 4 times and sent 3 e-mails,not so much as a call back or a e-mail to say hey we are busy but give us a week or so. Nothin,nada zilch. Your looking for a loophole in a state law ... The police aren't going to help you find it. Care to explain how you get looking for a loophole out of this officer? |
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It all worked out in the end,I picked up the MP5 last week. The funny thing is my FFL called the state regarding the faux suppressor.The officer never called him back.Let me re-iterate to the poster that said I was looking for a loophole in state law.You are way off base.
I was asking a black and white question ,Was this weapon under it current configuration legal in Ct? In the end it worked out I have my shiny new MP5 which I am range testing tomorrow,thanks to everyone who posted even Mr Loophole. |
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Quoted: It all worked out in the end,I picked up the MP5 last week. The funny thing is my FFL called the state regarding the faux suppressor.The officer never called him back.Let me re-iterate to the poster that said I was looking for a loophole in state law.You are way off base. I was asking a black and white question ,Was this weapon under it current configuration legal in Ct? In the end it worked out I have my shiny new MP5 which I am range testing tomorrow,thanks to everyone who posted even Mr Loophole. No offense dude, but calling/worrying about the fake suppressor was completely retarded. That's not something that anyone has been remotely concerned about. It's just a barrel extension unless it's got an open, hollow chamber like the GSG-5SDs which have since been recalled by the BATFE. In that case, it could have been determined to be a single-chamber suppressor. MP5 clones with fake suppressors have been sold throughout the entire US under the Federal ban and in CT under the CT AWB. It's not even a remotely gray area. |
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Can we please get a sticky that lets everyone know that the State Police aren't in the business of issuing opinions nor do they have any legal weight. Please?
If you want a true legal opinion, write the attorney general. That is the only office whose opinion carries any weight. |
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Quoted: Can we please get a sticky that lets everyone know that the State Police aren't in the business of issuing opinions nor do they have any legal weight. Please? If you want a true legal opinion, write the attorney general. That is the only office whose opinion carries any weight. Instead of a sticky, there should be a requirement that you post your address so that one of us can come by and punch that person in the balls. Contacting the State Police is stupid. Every single person who has contacted them has gotten bad info and/or contradictory info. There is a small chance of using legal loophole in CT that says that if they give you bad advice that it keeps you out of wrongdoing (paraphrasing badly) but I'd still recommend utilizing the Magic 8 ball instead of calling the State Police. This thread pisses me off because not only did the OP ignore the responses, but he dealt with a CT FFL who was apparently completely ignorant of not only CT law, but Federal law. The OP probably also overpaid for his MP5 clone by about $800-$1000 if he got one of those off of Atlantic Firearms. |
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rgaper I deal in facts and absolutes,so when I commit money and time to something I want to make damn sure it is correct and done properly.
Maybe in your opinion contacting the SP was not the best thing to do,I however viewed them as a resource that could be utilized,obviously that was a mistake on my part. I am sure you have never Since they never returned my calls in the end it is the same as not calling at all.As for the FFL I used when I gave him the specs over the phone he said no problem,it was not until he received the gun that he got skittish. At that point what would you do tough guy? You sound like an angry little man, regardless of what I paid for the gun I can afford it.Go ahead and call Mike at Turner ask him what he puts into his guns and then go price them out it is not as cheap as you think. If I were to scour the internet(gunbroker,hkparts.net etc) I may save $100-$200 but frankly I did not want to wait and $200 is not that much to me. Maybe your jealous that your Walmart/Fast food job does not pay that well or that your mom bumped your rent up I don't know and frankly I don't care. Why don't you post your address and so someone can come visit you and see if you are as tough in person as you are on the message boards. |
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Quoted: rgaper I deal in facts and absolutes,so when I commit money and time to something I want to make damn sure it is correct and done properly. Maybe in your opinion contacting the SP was not the best thing to do,I however viewed them as a resource that could be utilized,obviously that was a mistake on my part. I am sure you have never I have made mistakes too, but there are about 1000 threads in the NEHTF about how useless it is to call the State Police. Before dropping any money, it would have been wiser to do the research. Better yet, read the replies in the thread that you posted. When it comes to CT law, there are absolutes and there are plenty of gray-areas. None of the questions that you had were anything remotely approaching gray-area. Since they never returned my calls in the end it is the same as not calling at all.As for the FFL I used when I gave him the specs over the phone he said no problem,it was not until he received the gun that he got skittish. At that point what would you do tough guy? This is the easiest issue of all; I would have questioned whether this was a good FFL to use at all. I would have handed him $25 and told him to please transfer the firearm to JoJo's, or CFNT, or NGX, or Joel Cramer. Then I would post the story on here and wait for me to reply and say, "Wow, that FFL sounds retarded... yuck! Thanks for the heads up bro, and welcome to the forum! Good luck with the gun!" You sound like an angry little man, <––- whoa, that's awesome, do you know me? It's not anger - I'm from Philly - but I am a midget. regardless of what I paid for the gun I can afford it.Go ahead and call Mike at Turner ask him what he puts into his guns and then go price them out it is not as cheap as you think. If I were to scour the internet(gunbroker,hkparts.net etc) I may save $100-$200 but frankly I did not want to wait and $200 is not that much to me. I know quite a bit about the Turner guns and I think for what you get, it's not worth it. In my own opinion of course... For recreational, non-sear use, I would hunt down a different clone for $1k and then spend about $200 replacing the "critical" parts (if needed) with RCM, or HK parts. I've worked with a number of SW and BW guns that folks have said were not reliable and 9 times out of 10, with a replacement of a few springs totalling $40, they were rockin. If you've got the money and you feel okay about what you spent - more power to you. If I had the opportunity to save that kind of money and spend it on ammo or hookers, I would have chosen differently. Maybe your jealous that your Walmart/Fast food job does not pay that well or that your mom bumped your rent up I don't know and frankly I don't care. Why don't you post your address and so someone can come visit you and see if you are as tough in person as you are on the message boards. That's not really nice. So many angry new guys around. No need for the "big dick" contest, as this is Connecticut - all of us are filthy rich. In fact, I'm typing this while I'm sitting in my Porsche, on my yacht, next to my helicopter, burning money because I have too much, and throwing MP5s into the water for fun. You need to keep it light, roll with the punches, and not get personal if you want to hang around here. You have no idea how many times guys post that they want to call the State Police, so it's a "beating a dead horse" subject and you pretty much ignored our advice... Well, ya did! |
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rgaper I deal in facts and absolutes,so when I commit money and time to something I want to make damn sure it is correct and done properly. Maybe in your opinion contacting the SP was not the best thing to do,I however viewed them as a resource that could be utilized,obviously that was a mistake on my part. I am sure you have never I have made mistakes too, but there are about 1000 threads in the NEHTF about how useless it is to call the State Police. Before dropping any money, it would have been wiser to do the research. Better yet, read the replies in the thread that you posted. When it comes to CT law, there are absolutes and there are plenty of gray-areas. None of the questions that you had were anything remotely approaching gray-area. Since they never returned my calls in the end it is the same as not calling at all.As for the FFL I used when I gave him the specs over the phone he said no problem,it was not until he received the gun that he got skittish. At that point what would you do tough guy? This is the easiest issue of all; I would have questioned whether this was a good FFL to use at all. I would have handed him $25 and told him to please transfer the firearm to JoJo's, or CFNT, or NGX, or Joel Cramer. Then I would post the story on here and wait for me to reply and say, "Wow, that FFL sounds retarded... yuck! Thanks for the heads up bro, and welcome to the forum! Good luck with the gun!" You sound like an angry little man, <––- whoa, that's awesome, do you know me? It's not anger - I'm from Philly - but I am a midget. regardless of what I paid for the gun I can afford it.Go ahead and call Mike at Turner ask him what he puts into his guns and then go price them out it is not as cheap as you think. If I were to scour the internet(gunbroker,hkparts.net etc) I may save $100-$200 but frankly I did not want to wait and $200 is not that much to me. I know quite a bit about the Turner guns and I think for what you get, it's not worth it. In my own opinion of course... For recreational, non-sear use, I would hunt down a different clone for $1k and then spend about $200 replacing the "critical" parts (if needed) with RCM, or HK parts. I've worked with a number of SW and BW guns that folks have said were not reliable and 9 times out of 10, with a replacement of a few springs totalling $40, they were rockin. If you've got the money and you feel okay about what you spent - more power to you. If I had the opportunity to save that kind of money and spend it on ammo or hookers, I would have chosen differently. Maybe your jealous that your Walmart/Fast food job does not pay that well or that your mom bumped your rent up I don't know and frankly I don't care. Why don't you post your address and so someone can come visit you and see if you are as tough in person as you are on the message boards. That's not really nice. So many angry new guys around. No need for the "big dick" contest, as this is Connecticut - all of us are filthy rich. In fact, I'm typing this while I'm sitting in my Porsche, on my yacht, next to my helicopter, burning money because I have too much, and throwing MP5s into the water for fun. You need to keep it light, roll with the punches, and not get personal if you want to hang around here. You have no idea how many times guys post that they want to call the State Police, so it's a "beating a dead horse" subject and you pretty much ignored our advice... Well, ya did! I have a GIANT DICK that i occasionally trip over when I drink to much or use to often. Good God man, cant we all just get along |
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I don't understand it either. I am trying to do the right thing and not run afoul of the laws of Ct. But for some reason the state cops won't give me the time of day. I have called 4 times and sent 3 e-mails,not so much as a call back or a e-mail to say hey we are busy but give us a week or so. Nothin,nada zilch. Your looking for a loophole in a state law ... The police aren't going to help you find it. Care to explain how you get looking for a loophole out of this officer? I should apologize for my post. I didn't have my facts straight. I was under the impression that the MP5 was banned by name, but I see it somehow slipped through. (were they drinking when they made that list?) .. What I should have said was CT has a ban on these "type" of weapons and the state police generally interpret that broadly. They don't want you to have these type of weapons, and they are not going to help you get them. Anyways sounds like a nice sub gun, Congrats |
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rgaper I deal in facts and absolutes,so when I commit money and time to something I want to make damn sure it is correct and done properly. Maybe in your opinion contacting the SP was not the best thing to do,I however viewed them as a resource that could be utilized,obviously that was a mistake on my part. I am sure you have never I have made mistakes too, but there are about 1000 threads in the NEHTF about how useless it is to call the State Police. Before dropping any money, it would have been wiser to do the research. Better yet, read the replies in the thread that you posted. When it comes to CT law, there are absolutes and there are plenty of gray-areas. None of the questions that you had were anything remotely approaching gray-area. Since they never returned my calls in the end it is the same as not calling at all.As for the FFL I used when I gave him the specs over the phone he said no problem,it was not until he received the gun that he got skittish. At that point what would you do tough guy? This is the easiest issue of all; I would have questioned whether this was a good FFL to use at all. I would have handed him $25 and told him to please transfer the firearm to JoJo's, or CFNT, or NGX, or Joel Cramer. Then I would post the story on here and wait for me to reply and say, "Wow, that FFL sounds retarded... yuck! Thanks for the heads up bro, and welcome to the forum! Good luck with the gun!" You sound like an angry little man, <––- whoa, that's awesome, do you know me? It's not anger - I'm from Philly - but I am a midget. regardless of what I paid for the gun I can afford it.Go ahead and call Mike at Turner ask him what he puts into his guns and then go price them out it is not as cheap as you think. If I were to scour the internet(gunbroker,hkparts.net etc) I may save $100-$200 but frankly I did not want to wait and $200 is not that much to me. I know quite a bit about the Turner guns and I think for what you get, it's not worth it. In my own opinion of course... For recreational, non-sear use, I would hunt down a different clone for $1k and then spend about $200 replacing the "critical" parts (if needed) with RCM, or HK parts. I've worked with a number of SW and BW guns that folks have said were not reliable and 9 times out of 10, with a replacement of a few springs totalling $40, they were rockin. If you've got the money and you feel okay about what you spent - more power to you. If I had the opportunity to save that kind of money and spend it on ammo or hookers, I would have chosen differently. Maybe your jealous that your Walmart/Fast food job does not pay that well or that your mom bumped your rent up I don't know and frankly I don't care. Why don't you post your address and so someone can come visit you and see if you are as tough in person as you are on the message boards. That's not really nice. So many angry new guys around. No need for the "big dick" contest, as this is Connecticut - all of us are filthy rich. In fact, I'm typing this while I'm sitting in my Porsche, on my yacht, next to my helicopter, burning money because I have too much, and throwing MP5s into the water for fun. You need to keep it light, roll with the punches, and not get personal if you want to hang around here. You have no idea how many times guys post that they want to call the State Police, so it's a "beating a dead horse" subject and you pretty much ignored our advice... Well, ya did! I have a GIANT DICK that i occasionally trip over when I drink to much or use to often. Good God man, cant we all just get along I have one too- he's currently running for senator! 
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Quoted: yes took it to the range a few times,it runs pretty good. I am however having the occasional F.T.E. Mike at Turner Fab sent me a new extractor spring I will replace and re-try ,hopefully that is all it will take. What kind of ammunition are you using? With MP5 clones I'd look at ammunition, then extractor spring, then extractor, then bolt face... in that order. Mine chokes on Blazer Brass, WWB, and UMC, but eats Wolf and Brown Bear like crazy. I finally ran out of Hirtenberger SMG ammunition... that stuff was THE BEST. |
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Two suggestions-
First, if you're not that familiar with the process, go over to HKPro and read up on the proper technique of changing out the extractor spring. I think it's a really dumb design and it's easy to ruin the spring as you are installing it if you don't do it right. The design of the HK series of guns (with the fluted chambers) blows a lot of gunk down into the extractor mechanism, so the extractor needs to be yanked and cleaned on a fairly regular basis. Second, look at your bolt face as you draw the bolt to the rear. The ejector should protrude from it as it goes to the rear as close to the center of the cartridge as possible. If it's low or out to the side, it might miss the rim of the empty shell, causing problems. If it's not "high and tight", you may have to replace it. Sometimes they can be CAREFULLY bent a bit. Pull the trigger group out and make sure the ejector rocks back and forth freely, but not sloppy and wobbly. |
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Quoted: I was running Remington 147 gr and Winchester 115 gr through it The F.T.E 's seem to happen on rapid fire, but not all the time. It is intermitent on slow aimed single shots it is fine. Someone suggested to me to run a few mags of +p through it. Hmmm... The problem with getting +p ammunition is that it's difficult to find large quantities of +p ammunition that's FMJ. The Hirtenberger stuff I mentioned was HOT and was designed specifically to function in SMGs. Stick with 115 grain or 124 grain ball. WWB is pretty underpowered these days. I'd try some Wolf or Brown Bear and see if it runs without any changes - most of the HK-clone 9mm guns love the stuff. Aside from ammo, I'd look at the "usual suspects" that I described in my previous message. Swapping out the extractor spring and extractor are inexpensive avenues. Another problem could be your hammer spring. Many of the clone guns are built with .308 hammer springs in the trigger pack. The bolt carrier has to overcome the hammer spring to re-cock the gun during recoil, so if the spring is too strong and/or the ammunition is too weak, this can be a simple cause for FTEs. Stick a 9mm hammer spring in there. I'd order these parts from Adam and grab some Wolf ammunition before doing anything else. I'm assuming that you are already talking to the manufacturer, so you could certainly ask him/them what they used for these parts to start weeding things out. |
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Thanks for the advise.
I changed out the extractor spring and gave the gun a good cleaning(it was filthy). I also got some brown bear as well. I am going to the range on Friday and will do a test run.I will post the results. I tried looking around for some Hirtenberger +p+ ammo but I cannot find any except on gunbroker. Is that the only place to find it nowadays? |
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Quoted: Thanks for the advise. I changed out the extractor spring and gave the gun a good cleaning(it was filthy). I also got some brown bear as well. I am going to the range on Friday and will do a test run.I will post the results. I tried looking around for some Hirtenberger +p+ ammo but I cannot find any except on gunbroker. Is that the only place to find it nowadays? You are welcome - I hope it works out for you. As for Hirtenberger, gunbroker is pretty much the only place you're going to find it except for once in a blue moon some gunshops manage to come across some when someone brings in an estate to sell. Be careful with any Hirtenberger you find... it was reported that the quality control on the later stuff was not great. I'm not sure which batches are good and which are bad. I'd google it or post something in the pistol ammunition forum and see what you can come up with. Your carbine should run fine with Wolf/Brown Bear. |
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*****RANGE REPORT****
After giving the gun a good cleaning and replacing the extractor spring I took it to my local range.It ran like a dream,it ate everything I gave it.Winchester 147,Remington 124,and some Czech 115 gr.I have some +p+ on order but everything seemed to go great. Thanks for everyones help esp you rgaper. |
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Ran across a Turkish-made Mp5 w/16" barrel the other day for a good price. They are made on HK tooling and have a good rep on the Hk forums with people familiar with the roller guns. They are a little rough in finish, but solid and appear to be in in-spec.
The only issue is that they have a two little steel bars welded into the mag-well to limit them to the factory supplied and modified 10 round magazine. I'm pretty sure that I can just knock these down with a dremmel and use whatever MP5 mags I want. Does doing this open me up to Section 922 complications? I'd be removing material for the purpose of wider capability in mag choices. I'll reiterate that the gun is entirely made in Turkey by MKE, their state arms builder. The material was added so that the guns could be classified as "sporting use" by the ATF. I would think that it would be fine, but even at that price, I'd hate to unkowningly break a law. Also, the stock appears to be a typical MP5 carbine stock and pistol grip. At some point, the stock and navy lower grip were attached together. Can I replace with standard MP5 stocks and not run into 922 shit? If I can knock the mag blocks out and run MP5 mags, there are more than enough parts out there to keep me shooting and happy for a long time. These guns have hammer-forged barrels and receiver stampings that you just don't see on most American guns short of the actual HK94, which as we know, is banned by name. |
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Quoted: Ran across a Turkish-made Mp5 w/16" barrel the other day for a good price. They are made on HK tooling and have a good rep on the Hk forums with people familiar with the roller guns. They are a little rough in finish, but solid and appear to be in in-spec. The only issue is that they have a two little steel bars welded into the mag-well to limit them to the factory supplied and modified 10 round magazine. I'm pretty sure that I can just knock these down with a dremmel and use whatever MP5 mags I want. Does doing this open me up to Section 922 complications? I'd be removing material for the purpose of wider capability in mag choices. I'll reiterate that the gun is entirely made in Turkey by MKE, their state arms builder. The material was added so that the guns could be classified as "sporting use" by the ATF. I would think that it would be fine, but even at that price, I'd hate to unkowningly break a law. Also, the stock appears to be a typical MP5 carbine stock and pistol grip. At some point, the stock and navy lower grip were attached together. Can I replace with standard MP5 stocks and not run into 922 shit? If I can knock the mag blocks out and run MP5 mags, there are more than enough parts out there to keep me shooting and happy for a long time. These guns have hammer-forged barrels and receiver stampings that you just don't see on most American guns short of the actual HK94, which as we know, is banned by name. Steer clear. You'd have to replace a lot of foreign parts with US parts for 922r compliance. Unlike with AKs, those parts are uber expensive to boot. There's also no guarantee that with the magwell mods that it would run reliably. My recommendation based on my experience would be to find a used SW, BW, or CA gun on one of the auction sites and go from there. You won't have the 922r issue because there are lots of US parts in them. The process for getting them running 100% can be as simple as using good mags and ammo, or as complicated as replacing part after part. I've seen several used guns going for as little as $700-$800 lately. |
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Ran across a Turkish-made Mp5 w/16" barrel the other day for a good price. They are made on HK tooling and have a good rep on the Hk forums with people familiar with the roller guns. They are a little rough in finish, but solid and appear to be in in-spec. The only issue is that they have a two little steel bars welded into the mag-well to limit them to the factory supplied and modified 10 round magazine. I'm pretty sure that I can just knock these down with a dremmel and use whatever MP5 mags I want. Does doing this open me up to Section 922 complications? I'd be removing material for the purpose of wider capability in mag choices. I'll reiterate that the gun is entirely made in Turkey by MKE, their state arms builder. The material was added so that the guns could be classified as "sporting use" by the ATF. I would think that it would be fine, but even at that price, I'd hate to unkowningly break a law. Also, the stock appears to be a typical MP5 carbine stock and pistol grip. At some point, the stock and navy lower grip were attached together. Can I replace with standard MP5 stocks and not run into 922 shit? If I can knock the mag blocks out and run MP5 mags, there are more than enough parts out there to keep me shooting and happy for a long time. These guns have hammer-forged barrels and receiver stampings that you just don't see on most American guns short of the actual HK94, which as we know, is banned by name. Steer clear. You'd have to replace a lot of foreign parts with US parts for 922r compliance. Unlike with AKs, those parts are uber expensive to boot. There's also no guarantee that with the magwell mods that it would run reliably. My recommendation based on my experience would be to find a used SW, BW, or CA gun on one of the auction sites and go from there. You won't have the 922r issue because there are lots of US parts in them. The process for getting them running 100% can be as simple as using good mags and ammo, or as complicated as replacing part after part. I've seen several used guns going for as little as $700-$800 lately. So I'd enter 922 regulations just by replacing the mags or stock? I know were not lawyers here, but I appreciate the opinions and advice.  The roller-delayed subguns have my attention. Shot one once, VERY cool and worth it if you have the $ to spend on them.
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Quoted: So I'd enter 922 regulations just by replacing the mags or stock? I know were not lawyers here, but I appreciate the opinions and advice. The roller-delayed subguns have my attention. Shot one once, VERY cool and worth it if you have the $ to spend on them. I'll probably do a MSAR or PS90, but the Hk is an icon. Once you turn it into a high-capacity, imported firearm by removing the magwell tabs, it's gotta meet the 922r criteria for US parts count. Since the ATI/MKE guns have 100% foreign parts (no US parts) that's where it gets pricey. With the US-built clones, you're working in the other direction - you've got an abundance of US parts that you can often replace with foreign parts (HK, POF, etc.) if you desire and still have enough US parts to use unmodified magazines. |
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So I'd enter 922 regulations just by replacing the mags or stock? I know were not lawyers here, but I appreciate the opinions and advice. The roller-delayed subguns have my attention. Shot one once, VERY cool and worth it if you have the $ to spend on them.
I'll probably do a MSAR or PS90, but the Hk is an icon. Once you turn it into a high-capacity, imported firearm by removing the magwell tabs, it's gotta meet the 922r criteria for US parts count. Since the ATI/MKE guns have 100% foreign parts (no US parts) that's where it gets pricey. With the US-built clones, you're working in the other direction - you've got an abundance of US parts that you can often replace with foreign parts (HK, POF, etc.) if you desire and still have enough US parts to use unmodified magazines. meh, forget that. I'll have to keep my eyes open for a clone then that someone else already worked the kinks out of. Thank you for the advice. The laws are not the clearest out there. Maybe JLD / PTR can buy up MP5 tooling and start producing them next to their G3 clones for a decent price?. 
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