Posted: 2/15/2010 7:06:43 AM EDT
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I have a question. My son will be getting an FID. He is 17 and will be 18 soon.
There is a device sold for CA that is called a Bullet Button that makes removing a 10 round mag from an AR-15 lower requiring the use of a tool. It effectively makes a 10 round magazine fixed to the lower. Does anybody think this would be accepted by MA law to be a fixed magazine and not a detachable magazine so that an FID holder could legally own an AR-15 with such a device installed. I figure MA law probably has not ruled on anything like that. I also plan on modifying it so that the upper must be removed in order to drop the mag. Thanks. I can't ask over at NE Shooters, because they don't like me there. Bullet Button Link ETA: another mag lock that requires an allen wrench Is this a bad idea? Not worth the risk. that is my second impression, the more I think about it. |
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The reason it works in Cali is because it specifically states in their law that being removable using a tool does not equal a detachable magazine. No idea if Mass has the same wording, my guess is no. I guess that is the problem, I don't think 'detachable magazine" is defined anywhere. |
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Bushmaster makes an internal magazine carbon-type AR. Sealed magazine well, 10 shot internal box magazine. Maybe that would be an option for him. That would fit the bill. I didn't know about that. For anybody that cares,although there is a large capacity weapon list, I found out this afternoon that the law makes the determination on the original design. If the original design was for the weapon to accommodate a greater than 10 round magazine, then it is classified as a large capacity weapon. 18 months till I move out of this fucked up state. He has decided to just get an SKS until he is 21 ( if we still live here) |
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This should answer your question. http://www.mass.gov/legis/laws/mgl/140-121.htm “Large capacity feeding device”, (i) a fixed or detachable magazine, box, drum, feed strip or similar device capable of accepting, or that can be readily converted to accept, more than ten rounds of ammunition or more than five shotgun shells; or (ii) a large capacity ammunition feeding device as defined in the federal Public Safety and Recreational Firearms Use Protection Act, 18 U.S.C. section 921(a)(31) as appearing in such section on September 13, 1994. The term “large capacity feeding device” shall not include an attached tubular device designed to accept, and capable of operating only with,.22 caliber ammunition. If I read this correctly then the part in red means fixed and detatchable mag's are considered the same thing. I know you already decided on the SKS but at least now you can educate your friends on the law if needed. This state sucks.  Good choice on the SKS though. I was drooling at the fun store today and put one on hold till payday.  |
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I think the key phrase is:
or that can be readily converted to accept, more than ten rounds of ammunition
having a screw or bolt go through the mag like the CA legal fixed mag setups could be readily converted. I don't know. I guess it just comes down to if I'm not absolutely sure what something means, don't go there. |
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Bushmaster makes an internal magazine carbon-type AR. Sealed magazine well, 10 shot internal box magazine. Maybe that would be an option for him. That would fit the bill. I didn't know about that. For anybody that cares,although there is a large capacity weapon list, I found out this afternoon that the law makes the determination on the original design. If the original design was for the weapon to accommodate a greater than 10 round magazine, then it is classified as a large capacity weapon. 18 months till I move out of this fucked up state. He has decided to just get an SKS until he is 21 ( if we still live here) http://www.bushmaster.com/catalog_carbon15_AZC-C15RM4FT.asp |
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Hmmmm... I didn't know MA residents couldn't own AR's. The guy I bought my Bushmaster BAR-10 was in Massachusetts. They can. They have to have an LTC, which the OP's son can't get for another 3 years. Until then, he can only have an FID- which only allows low capacity rifles. |