Posted: 1/19/2010 11:07:13 AM EDT
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I have a PWA preban lower with serial number of 320XX. All online documentation states it preban. I have try multiple times to contact LMT to give me a written verification that it indeed a preban lower. They have one person doing the checking. This person will not respond back…I would like to have something written from the manufacturer to provide to Johnny Law in case of questions. Do I need this written letter or not? |
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I have a PWA preban lower with serial number of 320XX. All online documentation states it preban. I have try multiple times to contact LMT to give me a written verification that it indeed a preban lower. They have one person doing the checking. This person will not respond back…I would like to have something written from the manufacturer to provide to Johnny Law in case of questions. Do I need this written letter or not? I really wouldn't worry about a letter from LMT. All published info about cutoff dates states that your lower is preban. |
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It's nice to have but not necessary to have anything documenting a pre-ban. The only time you'll have to worry about that is if your rifle is confiscated as having evil features. A quick check with the company will confirm the mfg. date. Don't sweat it. It's not like your rifle has to have an ID with it! LOL
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No one can throw you in jail just because they "think" you have a non-conforming rifle. A quick discussion with any officer will inform them of the situation. This isn't a state where they say "papers please" ......at least not yet. The worst they might do is confiscate your rifle. Personally, I'm not aware of one single case where this has happened unless the officers were attending to other business at the time. I shoot at our club with LEOs from four different departments including the State Police and there haven't been any issues of any of them eyeing a particular rifle and we have 300 members. More to the point, if they take it it's more than likely there is something else happening too. I have had someone ask me if that was an original three-prong flash hider. I confirm that indeed it is and it's great to have a pre-ban to use it. Nuff said.
Same goes for the AK47 situation here in our fair state of CT. Now there, however, I had a copy of my 'registration' in the buttstock should anyone ever ask about it. But, even there, how would anyone even know what caliber it's shooting to ask? I'm a stickler for all things regulated: AWB, pre-ban, 922r, etc., etc. I dot all my "i"s and cross all my "t"s. I'm an instructor and a C&R too and I have a lot to lose if I don't. Still, I don't travel with documentation with all my prebans but for sure they reside in the files in my office. Anyone has an issue can wait until I provide the proper documentation. It's tough enough to go to the range with all the stuff we need to shoot without hauling a file folder along, too! LOL Rome |
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It's tough enough to go to the range with all the stuff we need to shoot without hauling a file folder along, too! LOL Rome Sometimes I get the feeling that we might have to... Like getting into a fight with someone about the Bayonet on my Marlin 444.  Yes, it's perfectly legal, please for the love of Christ leave me alone.
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I spoke with Jody at JOJO's a month ago about that very subject.
He said you can get some documentation and pay whatever processing fees might be charged, but it's really not necessary. The info is on the Internet in a variety of sources for all to see. Of course, this assumes the burden of proof is still on the accuser these days... I don't know if that makes you feel any better, but they are on top of most AR issues. |
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No one can throw you in jail just because they "think" you have a non-conforming rifle. A quick discussion with any officer will inform them of the situation. This isn't a state where they say "papers please" ......at least not yet. The worst they might do is confiscate your rifle. Personally, I'm not aware of one single case where this has happened unless the officers were attending to other business at the time. I shoot at our club with LEOs from four different departments including the State Police and there haven't been any issues of any of them eyeing a particular rifle and we have 300 members. More to the point, if they take it it's more than likely there is something else happening too. I have had someone ask me if that was an original three-prong flash hider. I confirm that indeed it is and it's great to have a pre-ban to use it. Nuff said. I was more or less just playing devils advocate. It is reasureing non the less. Quoted:
Same goes for the AK47 situation here in our fair state of CT. Now there, however, I had a copy of my 'registration' in the buttstock should anyone ever ask about it. But, even there, how would anyone even know what caliber it's shooting to ask? Are all 7.62 AK's illegal and your reffering to a different caliber, or is there a "loop hole" if you will allowing them? Quoted:
It's tough enough to go to the range with all the stuff we need to shoot without hauling a file folder along, too! LOL No kidding! "Wheelbarrow please" 
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ALL AK47 clones are illegal in the commom caliber unless they were registered. The AK47 (a Maadi) I had was registered with the state before the deadline. In order to keep you AK47 in 7.62 x 39, you had to registered it with the state. Now, if you didn't, and your AK was discovered by the law to be in that caliber, they have the authority from the state to confiscate it, period, end of discussion. Surprizingly, however, there are no criminal ramifications for this to my knowledge. So, having a copy of my registration in the buttplate seemed like a good idea.
No loopholes, unfortunately. The DPMS delcared them illegal by edict......not by law but it can't be fought. Rome |
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Nope. Like other 'registered' rifles in the AWB list, once you've finished owning them, they have to be either destroyed or sold out of state. You can also sell them to a local FFL who would supposedly sell them out of state for you.
The thing about the AK47 debacle is that there were no laws specifically passed about the AK47 in 762 x 39. The 'ban' was an "interpretation" of the Department of Public Safety (Ct. State Police). It was challenged in court, too, but the liberal judges here threw the case out essentially anointing the DPS with powers well beyond their stated powers. It's like cancer. Once that begins, interpretations could be used on other "looks-like, smells like" rifles. Interestingly enough, however, ONLY the 762 x 39 rifles are banned here. ALL OTHER calibers, even though they look identical to the banned rifles are just fine: .223, 308, 22 and others are all acceptible. And all other 762 x 39 rifles are fine such as the SKS even though they ALL use the same semi-auto action. I know it's head-shaking time to read that but understand that we, too, can NOT EVER own a Colt Sporter AR-15 but CAN OWN ANY of the myriad of duplicate clones. And we also can have pre-ban clones sporting all the 'evil features" banned under the awb. Prebans here in CT are like hen's teeth! Rome |
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Correction- yes, you can pass your registered AK down to your son (or other heir). See CGS Sec. 53-202d(b) (b) No assault weapon possessed pursuant to this section may be sold or transferred on or after January 1, 1994, to any person within this state other than to a licensed gun dealer, as defined in subsection (d) of section 53-202f, or as provided in section 53-202e, or by bequest or intestate succession.
Also, I would just say, in defense of the CSP, that they had no wish to gain "new powers" regarding the AWB. They have quite enough things to do without worrying about what caliber your rifle is. They got handed a bullshit law to enforce and they came up with a reasonable (in my opinion) interpretation to work with. Our beloved legislators, who wouldn't know an AK if you dropped it on their toes, copied CA's AWB without knowing what they were doing and then our brain-dead judges on the CT Supreme Court declared that the phrase "Avtomat Kalashnikov AK-47 type" was perfectly clear and nobody should have any problem figuring out what that meant. These geniuses then handed the law over to the state and local cops and said "Here- go enforce this." If the CSP really wanted to be pricks, they would have declared that any firearm using anything vaguely similar to Kalashnikov's design was banned. Instead, they focussed in on the specific original AK-47 and made the determining factor the caliber. We could have done much worse. I have a little Romanian clone in 5.45x39 that shoots straighter than any 7.62x39 AK ever thought of doing, just as reliably and almost as cheaply. I can live with that. |