Posted: 10/8/2007 7:21:29 PM EDT
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Is there a limit to the number of firearms one can buy and sell in a calander year? I overheard somebody saying your only alowed 12 purchases or sales within 1 year. |
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All bull, one of our customers bought 25 in one day; or filled out the paperwork over a few day period. I know 25 sounds like a allot in one day, but the guy was buying guns from us and keeping them in the store safe till his permit arrived. He was able to shoot them before he got his permit, but could not take them home. Once his permit arrived the paperwork came out. The ATF never called and his local PD never called when they got 25 forms in one day from him. Some people have so much money I will never understand. I would love to buy 25 guns in a 3 month period. ♠ |
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There is an obscure law somewhere that I recall reading on the SLFU website. I seem to recall reading a five gun per year limit for HANDGUNS ONLY on "unlicensed dealers" (meaning person to person direct sales) of handguns per calendar year. That is calling SLFU to get an auth # and reporting permit # from and permit # to and four copies of the SP-3s (buyer, seller, buyer's local PD and state police) None for long guns. Long gun sales need not be reported to state police (though they recommend it) Hence, there is no mandatory SP-3 involved (some people feel better doing it - but it is not required for long guns). The only honor system requirements for transferring (selling) a long gun in CT are that the transferee (buyer) has to be at least 18 and not a person known to the seller to be prohibited from possessing firearms. As far as buying a gun from a dealer - any gun - there is no statutory limit on number of transactions that can be placed, but I can tell you this from a two cop friends of mine who shoot at two different clubs and don't know each other: "Three transactions per 30-day calendar month and you can get TEMP DENIED" This has happened to me. I once bought two rifles (milsurp bolt actions) and one handgun in the same month - from the SAME gun store and got TD'd on the handgun purchase. The dealer had to actually call the officer in charge of the SLFU desk that day and that officer asked to speak to me and asked me "it's just one handgun, right?" and "it's for you and you're not selling it to someone else right away, right?" And I said Yes. One handgun and I intend to own it. And he said, "OK put the dealer back on" and they chatted for a minute and then the officer did something on the computer and gave me my Auth #. So, yes there is an unwritten rule they made for themselves to monitor gun purchase and sales transactions. |
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Another red flag that comes up is State Police is watching what types of handguns are being bought and red flags do get raised if they see someone buy two or more low cost, lower quality handguns (like Ravens, Jennings, Brycos, etc). I knew of one instance where a fellow happened to like Ravens and bought two - one to shoot and one to carry (they're not well made and tend to break firing pins if you dry fire them -easy to do when the clip runs dry because they do not lock open). State police reviewed the SP-3s a week later and called the dealer asking him about the buyer and how well he knew him and why did he buy two Ravens, etc. (they're thinking the guy was buying them as a straw purchaser to sell on the street later and report stolen) Not true. This was a good guy, known to the dealer, happened to like Ravens and bought two because he wanted a spare. |
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Thanks, Scott That's what it was that I remembered - ok it's 10. (I thought it was five) but yes, there is a definite limit on handguns you can sell w/o being a dealer or having this "permit to sell handguns" the state says. (Personally, I've never known anyone to have such a permit) It's the dealers along with a permit from the state and CITY OR TOWN TO SELL HANDGUNS the FFL needs to sell. There are towns that prohibit the retail sale of handguns : East Haven comes immediately to mind. They've had that town ordinance on the books for decades. That's why there were never any gun shops in East Haven, CT (when Chris of Chris' Indoor Range of Guilford, used to have Chris' Gun Shop - people thought of "East Haven" but his store, was technically in New Haven - which did not have a prohibition on RETAIL sale of handguns.) As far as buying, you are technically correct, however, that "three per month" thing I was talking about is not a statute - it's an unwritten procedure that SLFU does follow; their systems are programmed to pick up three separate auth #s in any month from the same permit holder (note this is NOT the same as going into a gunstore and buying more than one gun on the SAME Auth# - I've seen that done, too) this is, you walk into the gunstore on the 1st of the month, the 15th of the month and the 30th, all separate auth#s you will get TD'd - it's happened to me and I had that explained to me by two different cops from two different towns while discussing this issue at two different ranges. They had a seminar from ATF and SLFU on firearms trafficking and mentioned the the "3-in-30" is an internal, control to monitor. It does NOT PROHIBIT you from making the third purchase, but the system is programmed to red flag it for a second look and you can get delayed (TD'd) and usually corrected on the spot, which is what happened to me about five years ago. |
Most places go for a seperate auth # for each weapon- I'm not sure what DPS policy is on using the auth number more than once, but mrst places get seperate numbers. |
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you're right, let me rephrase that. Thanks. What I really meant is, you can buy two guns in the store from the same dealer who only needs to call once - then they give you two (usually consecutive) auth #s. Trust me when I tell you about the "3-in-30" rule. It's true. Not a law, but an internal flag. |
Is flagging more of a Federal matter, or in this case States? If it is State, shame on flagging, I mean I guess I see a point but god forbid someone’s a collector and there being "Monitored" by big nanny Rell when they can't even process peoples permits accordingly. I honestly see no other sense from this other than to have a reason to not go broke. I joked about these 3 in 30 once when I bought 2 pistols in 3 days at the same store and I he notified me that I would be on a "watch". He laughed and said if you were going to do anything illegal I don't know why you would come in and have the hassle of buying them all legally anwys..Exactly. Flag, intimidate, and bully all you want CT, it’s my 2nd amend right to do so if I choose, (and have the money of course) 
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Gotcha! That would explain the consecutive numbers on multiple purchases 
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nate-flagging is a state matter. The state implemented it. We have an out of control SLFU that answers to no one; "interprets" laws (that's the courts' job); intimidates dealers who don't do SP-3s on long guns; and Bob Crook of CCS can't even find out who is running the department. Add to that they are imposing requirements without legal authority for pistol permit renewals (birth certificate/passport) and have taken a beef with a member of the Board of Permit review who is now suing the State Police. A very real area of concern and NO ONE in State government is addressing it |
Well I know I have bought more than 5 guns in one month, even last month I did 3 on the same day, just one call and got three authorization numbers. I think there may be some limit to the number you can sell but since you are not legally obligated to report the sale of a long gun to the state only hand guns, what would they keep track of? After all there isn't supposed to be any form of gun registration in CT .. HA!!! |
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hayes - that's because you did three in one day at the same time, on the same call for auth #s. You can do one in a day, or ten in a day, on the same call to SLFU - it doesn't matter. What matters is how many times in a month you call for separate transactions If you had gone in on three separate days, and engaged in three totally separate transactions - you may have been TDd And yes, all your handguns, bought and sold with SP-3s are "de facto" registered at State Police. So are any long guns you bought from stores using the SP-3 voluntarily (like Hoffman's does). You can call state police SLFU and they will tell you and/or mail you a list of every gun they know you have - or may have owned - at some time or another. |
Incorrect. Reporting retail long gun sales is NOT voluntary, per 29-37a (b) CGS, Sale or Delivery of at Retail of Firearms Other Than Pistols or Revolvers.
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JAD is correct. No paperwork is voluntary with retail sales. DPS-3-C is a thinly disguised registration already in place. It will make things so much easier for the big "turn 'em all in", if, God forbid, Connecticut ever elects a Blumenthal type for governor, and a Lawlor for A.G. Our only saving grace are private, FTF sales. Pay extra for a rifle if it eliminates a paper trail for CSP. |