Posted: 8/14/2011 5:31:50 PM EDT
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Need Intel. Prefer actual statutes I can reference.
I live in Oklahoma County within the city limits. Two dogs allegedly belonging to my neighbors down the street keep showing up. They are not nice dogs. They have on separate occasions charged my wife as well as my daughter upon my families exit of our residence resulting in doors slamming to avoid direct contact with these dogs aggressive behavior. Dogs have no collar or tags. My neighbor has informed me that the dogs apparently belong and are housed by a neighborhood family down the street, and that these dogs are constantly getting out. I have notified animal control several times of these dogs. No noticeable response. I am notifying the HOA in the morning as to the problems as well now that I know where these dogs are coming from. I am not going to have one of my little ones under go a rabies series and deal with the medical bills after they are attacked again by these dogs. Anything else I should do? Doubt it will be a deal for the police until another incident occurs. Should I go ahead and give them a heads up? What are my responsibilities and rights in this matter. Please, I know what everyone is thinking and that's the same likely decision I have come to as well. I am asking because I am interested in any materials and information I may end up needing if the occasion arises. |
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Would retreating back into your house and shooting the dogs once they crossed the threshold fall under Title 21 Section 1289.25 Part B of the SDA? I know shooting them within your home would be an ideal situation but it would be quick. Obviously, this would not be good unless you were home alone. |
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I dont know what the rules are for discharging a firearm in your city limits but I am in the country and those dogs would be dead.
Let me say I love dogs, have 3 laying at me feet right now. I guess in your shoes you could visit the police and file a complaint/make a report, something so there is a record. I would also visit the owner and tell him/her you plan to harm/kill the dogs the next time they come on your property because they are dangerous. |
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By having the paper trail leading to you (filing a report), don't do anything illegal. The second you do, guess where the investigating authority will knock on the door first?
Are there any tranquilizers available to non veternarians? If so, there you go. Tranq the dog(s) then bring dogs to animal control to deal with. Lastly, remember, its fault of the owners, not the dogs. Get them to move! "XXXX, You are not welcome in this neighborhood." Signed, Everyone in the neighborhood" Of course, you may have to be a bit more persuasive. |
I was in a similar situation just a few days after the Christmas eve blizard, damn pit bull from across the street made a run for me as I was gettin to my car to go to the south side. Fucker ran up, I pulled my .45 and made it to the porch where it tried to pin me. I did feel threatened, but being in city limits, my only tjoughts were "if I drop the hammer, how many animal lovers will want to hang me?, "how many days would I be locked up for it" and so on. My wife called ocpd who transffered her to animal control who did jack and shit even though she made it clear I was in danger 
When I found the dogs owner, I made it clear to him that if it tried to attack me again, hes gonna recieve a knock on his door followed be a dead dog on his porch. Havent see him or the dog since 
But ya, get a paper trail. The more legal you are, the better off youll be. |
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I dont know what the rules are for discharging a firearm in your city limits but I am in the country and those dogs would be dead. Let me say I love dogs, have 3 laying at me feet right now. I guess in your shoes you could visit the police and file a complaint/make a report, something so there is a record. I would also visit the owner and tell him/her you plan to harm/kill the dogs the next time they come on your property because they are dangerous. Part in red is bad advice. Make a report. It's not like the losers don't know they are not taking care of their animals. With a report you have a paper trail if this goes south. |
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I dont know what the rules are for discharging a firearm in your city limits but I am in the country and those dogs would be dead. Let me say I love dogs, have 3 laying at me feet right now. I guess in your shoes you could visit the police and file a complaint/make a report, something so there is a record. I would also visit the owner and tell him/her you plan to harm/kill the dogs the next time they come on your property because they are dangerous. Part in red is bad advice. Make a report. It's not like the losers don't know they are not taking care of their animals. With a report you have a paper trail if this goes south. Why is it bad advice to go right to the source when you have a problem? I dont get this mentailty. If I have a problem I am going to the source first to try and fix it, not the authorities unless I have tried everything else already. |
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Would retreating back into your house and shooting the dogs once they crossed the threshold fall under Title 21 Section 1289.25 Part B of the SDA? I know shooting them within your home would be an ideal situation but it would be quick. Obviously, this would not be good unless you were home alone. Not necessary. In Oklahoma you have no duty to retreat. The threshold thing is once someone else crosses it by illegally entering your home, you are good to go to use deadly force if of course you are in fear of your life. Besides this is a dog (apparently dangerous animal) not a human... In Oklahoma, if someone lets their dog run loose and it's chasing your livestock you can shoot it.. I would document and then shoot it if it charged again. Assuming your CCW.. The owner would then be charged with possession of a dangerous animal and fined for letting it run loose. |
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I dont know what the rules are for discharging a firearm in your city limits but I am in the country and those dogs would be dead. Let me say I love dogs, have 3 laying at me feet right now. I guess in your shoes you could visit the police and file a complaint/make a report, something so there is a record. I would also visit the owner and tell him/her you plan to harm/kill the dogs the next time they come on your property because they are dangerous. Part in red is bad advice. Make a report. It's not like the losers don't know they are not taking care of their animals. With a report you have a paper trail if this goes south. Why is it bad advice to go right to the source when you have a problem? I dont get this mentailty. If I have a problem I am going to the source first to try and fix it, not the authorities unless I have tried everything else already. You don't know if you're dealing with Mr. Reasonable or Billy Badass in a situation like this. The police should talk to them instead of you. I've killed a few dogs in my time and it wasn't pleasant for me or the owners and their kids. Taking their dead dog back to them isn't pleasant by any means. You're on their door step and sh*t can really fly. Leaving them lay or hauling them off isn't right either. 
Dogs can be real liability. One dog alone can be the finest animal in the world. Throw another dog in the mix, even a pleasant one, and the two can be a terror for the whole neighborhood. The owners may not even have an idea the dogs are trouble. Let the authorities talk to them so problems can be avoided. |
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Sounds like a good excuse to finally need a good .22 suppressor!!   I thought the same thing.
But I don't want him shooting a dog in front of his little girls anymore than I want to see one of them bit or scared badly by the dogs. And I don't think you'd even do it PC in front of your sons. It's not a good thing for kids to see. Not that any of us wouldn't if we had too. 
It's just I think we'd rather not have it happen in front of little ones. |
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Sounds like a good excuse to finally need a good .22 suppressor!! I thought the same thing.
But I don't want him shooting a dog in front of his little girls anymore than I want to see one of them bit or scared badly by the dogs. And I don't think you'd even do it PC in front of your sons. It's not a good thing for kids to see. Not that any of us wouldn't if we had too.
It's just I think we'd rather not have it happen in front of little ones. so Dan, why would shooting a dog be any different than shooting say a bird,a deer, a squirrel or even a coyote; one would be just as dead as the other, would they not? |
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Sounds like a good excuse to finally need a good .22 suppressor!! I thought the same thing.
But I don't want him shooting a dog in front of his little girls anymore than I want to see one of them bit or scared badly by the dogs. And I don't think you'd even do it PC in front of your sons. It's not a good thing for kids to see. Not that any of us wouldn't if we had too.
It's just I think we'd rather not have it happen in front of little ones. so Dan, why would shooting a dog be any different than shooting say a bird,a deer, a squirrel or even a coyote; one would be just as dead as the other, would they not? Cuz he's got dogs as pets. 
Kids go get attached to dogs really easily. Even other dogs in the neighborhood. Brother L, I know you'd do what you'd have to if a dog got after your animals, growled or bit your mom, etc. But I know damn well you get attached to them just as much as any of us do.
It's a lot harder on little kids (under 7 like his) to see a dog put down with a gun. |
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Sounds like a good excuse to finally need a good .22 suppressor!! I thought the same thing.
But I don't want him shooting a dog in front of his little girls anymore than I want to see one of them bit or scared badly by the dogs. And I don't think you'd even do it PC in front of your sons. It's not a good thing for kids to see. Not that any of us wouldn't if we had too.
It's just I think we'd rather not have it happen in front of little ones. so Dan, why would shooting a dog be any different than shooting say a bird,a deer, a squirrel or even a coyote; one would be just as dead as the other, would they not? Cuz he's got dogs as pets.
Kids go get attached to dogs really easily. Even other dogs in the neighborhood. Brother L, I know you'd do what you'd have to if a dog got after your animals, growled or bit your mom, etc. But I know damn well you get attached to them just as much as any of us do.
It's a lot harder on little kids (under 7 like his) to see a dog put down with a gun. I like my dog, don't give a dry fuck about anyone elses. my dog knows he get aggressive toward anyone living at my house, and there'll be no ifs, ands or buts, he's grass fertilizer, course I live in the woods too, different rules in the woods. |
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I like my dog, don't give a dry fuck about anyone elses. my dog knows he get aggressive toward anyone living at my house, and there'll be no ifs, ands or buts, he's grass fertilizer, course I live in the woods too, different rules in the woods. I had a Pit for 14 years, the best dog I ever had. Loved her more than I ever would have believed. She's been gone for 15 years now and I still miss her. But I'd have put a bullet in her quick if she had ever got aggressive toward any of us or any guest in my house. You do what you have to do when you own a dog. Obviously the owners of the two mutts giving Fister problems need more than a talking to.
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I like my dog, don't give a dry fuck about anyone elses. my dog knows he get aggressive toward anyone living at my house, and there'll be no ifs, ands or buts, he's grass fertilizer, course I live in the woods too, different rules in the woods. I had a Pit for 14 years, the best dog I ever had. Loved her more than I ever would have believed. She's been gone for 15 years now and I still miss her. But I'd have put a bullet in her quick if she had ever got aggressive toward any of us or any guest in my house. You do what you have to do when you own a dog. Obviously the owners of the two mutts giving Fister problems need more than a talking to.
meh......it's all about documentation and keeping quiet. now that this threads on the web, when something bad happens to the dogs like a meal of decon and prestone, the dog's owner does a google search of good ole Fister because he's "caused" them so much trouble about their dogs that would never harm a fly, plus they're pissed that their dogs died a most horrible death at the hands of some sadist. and boom this thread shows up with all the comments/sugestions and mr policeman comes aknockin on Fister's door for a bit of questioning, then Fister says "excuse me mister policeman, I intend to cooperate with you fully, but first I want to speak with my attorney", then Fister has to get an attorney cause he's got enough sence not to talk to the cop's no matter how innocent the questioning may seem because he knows the cops aren't your friend when they're trying to make a case. then he's out the funds for an attorney that he really didn't need because he was getting documentation all proper like, but damned if one of his other neighbors done poisoned the offending dogs, but they kept their mouth shut and didn't tell even their closest friends, but damnit, Fister got an electronic papertrail leading the cops right to his front door. and fuckmefunny, they really don't give a fuck who done it or even why, but an arrest leading to the conviction of horrible killer of a family's pet is just another good mark toward their next promotion 
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is "neighbors down the street" a couple doors down, or a couple acres away?
Grady County Sheriff told my boss his neighbor's (5 acre lots) geese killing dogs fall under a leash law, and any dog on his (my boss's) property was fair game. Sheriff said "kill it , make it disappear, and play dumb" No corpse, no crime, no proof, no problem. Keep in mind this was not a written statement and was one LEO's opinion. Leagally binding advice it wasn't. But if you live in the CITY,as in a neighborhood, there are leash laws, and any loose dog is a outlaw. |
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I dont know what the rules are for discharging a firearm in your city limits but I am in the country and those dogs would be dead. Let me say I love dogs, have 3 laying at me feet right now. I guess in your shoes you could visit the police and file a complaint/make a report, something so there is a record. I would also visit the owner and tell him/her you plan to harm/kill the dogs the next time they come on your property because they are dangerous. Part in red is bad advice. Make a report. It's not like the losers don't know they are not taking care of their animals. With a report you have a paper trail if this goes south. Why is it bad advice to go right to the source when you have a problem? I dont get this mentailty. If I have a problem I am going to the source first to try and fix it, not the authorities unless I have tried everything else already. You don't know if you're dealing with Mr. Reasonable or Billy Badass in a situation like this. The police should talk to them instead of you. I've killed a few dogs in my time and it wasn't pleasant for me or the owners and their kids. Taking their dead dog back to them isn't pleasant by any means. You're on their door step and sh*t can really fly. Leaving them lay or hauling them off isn't right either.
Dogs can be real liability. One dog alone can be the finest animal in the world. Throw another dog in the mix, even a pleasant one, and the two can be a terror for the whole neighborhood. The owners may not even have an idea the dogs are trouble. Let the authorities talk to them so problems can be avoided. Pretty much this... You should be able to talk "man to man" but men live up to their responsibilities. The fact that the loser is allowing his animals to roam around at will continually pretty much tells you what kind of person they are. A "talk" will not likely end well. |
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He hits the dogs with pepper foam next time they come at him and they won't be coming back. Much better than a bullet and not deadly. That's an excellent idea. It also reminds me I've been meaning to find a can or two for my sister.  she mean enough you gotta use two cans on her?
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He hits the dogs with pepper foam next time they come at him and they won't be coming back. Much better than a bullet and not deadly. That's an excellent idea. It also reminds me I've been meaning to find a can or two for my sister. she mean enough you gotta use two cans on her?
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He hits the dogs with pepper foam next time they come at him and they won't be coming back. Much better than a bullet and not deadly. That's an excellent idea. It also reminds me I've been meaning to find a can or two for my sister. she mean enough you gotta use two cans on her?
I had to teach her how to fend for herself when I left home.
she single?
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this thread link fits in this thread.
http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1219741_Unarmed_combat_against_a_dog.html I been bit several times by different dogs through the years, luckly only once I had to go to the doc (OJI, employer sent me since I was on the clock when I got bit), got bit a couple weeks back when some motherfucker tied a dog up to my front porch. one of my uncles got bit when doing tractor work for people, he got bit a by two of our dogs too, he was drunk and forgot about the dog, got out of his truck, made it halfway to the house and boom the bulldog was on him, had him on the ground in nothing flat and was shaking the hell out of him, said he quit struggling and the dog stopped shaking but wouldn't let go of his arm (had ahold of his upper arm), he said he didn't know how long he laid there with a 100lb dog on his arm, but he'd pretty well sobered up before my mom showed up
he liked telling that story about the dog, said he kicked/stomped/punched him and he kept coming back putting him on the ground (he was a big strong dude back then too), and that soon as my mom said "come here" the dog let go and went and sat at her feet between my uncle and her, it'd snarl/growl when he moved, but it wouldn't move. he got bit to hell by another one of our dogs too, not surprisingly he was drunk again that time, got out of his truck and my oldest daughter went running up to say high, he reached out to pat her on the head and boom, the dog had his wrist and put him down again, said he knew to just lay still, the dog would hold/not let go until told to but wouldn't continue to attack as long as he didn't struggle. again my mom called the dog off and it stood between him and my daughter, he'd laugh when talking about that dog too, he liked them, and knew what/why they did what they did. of course a neighborhood dog is different, my neighbor had a huge pit, that fucker would chew on the log chain that he was on, occasionaly it'd get loose, more than once I got out of the car half way to the house when I'd hear sniffing/snort, I'd turn around that big dog would be standing there, I'd tell it "GO ON!" and it'd woof, then run back to it's yard, it was never aggressive toward me, but it's a sobering experience when something that could be vicious as hell sneaks right up on you without you hearing. |
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I had a buddy with two pits that were the most mischievous mutts I ever saw. They were big, big puppies that could play for hours. I never saw them do anything mean except run off with a purse to play "keep away" from an old woman.
He finally had to get rid of them because they got into so much trouble. They never hurt anybody but they did chew stuff up out of sheer spite I believe. Watch the video below. That pit bull was playing and wouldn't quit. Those cops were super fine guys for not shooting that mutt. The dog's name is Winston. 
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