Posted: 8/18/2010 2:30:36 PM EDT
Anyone know this guy? I torques my shorts when some REMF gets a medal for sitting his fat ass in a chair and then brags to the world like he did something great. Tell me I'm wrong.
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Got a link?
ETA: nevermind, found one. Bronze star I have my opinion, but you're obviously free to make your own. |
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Got a link? ETA: nevermind, found one. Bronze star I have my opinion, but you're obviously free to make your own. Come on Sam, give it up  He's your mentor/role model? 
I'm pretty consistant on my low opinion of most lawyers. 
Prosecuted terrorists in a tactical environment/courtroom?  Look up WTF in a dictonary and thats right there
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You guys need to understand what a JAG guy does. When I commanded my task force in Iraq, our JAG ensured insurgents were properly documented with evidence according to both US and Iraqi law. Often, they were the only thing that stood between an insurgent being caught and released or caught, tried and executed.
It may not be glamorous, but to those of us fighting these guys on the streets, the last thing we wanted was to see them again. That meant that someone like Kevin Calvey was doing it. I have nothing against James Lankford. He is as good as they come. But Kevin did serve his country (and still does) and is supported by Vets for Freedom and others that believe his voice in the congress will go a long way to bolster those at our nation's capitol that want to quit on our troops. Not saying James Lankford would. I doubt it. But I now for certain Kevin would not. I've even endorsed him. If I were voting in that district, he would get my vote. Steve |
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Got a link? ETA: nevermind, found one. Bronze star I have my opinion, but you're obviously free to make your own. Come on Sam, give it up He's your mentor/role model?
I'm pretty consistant on my low opinion of most lawyers.
Prosecuted terrorists in a tactical environment/courtroom? Look up WTF in a dictonary and thats right thereHey, do they give Bronze Stars in the Marines for pushing paper?
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You guys need to understand what a JAG guy does. When I commanded my task force in Iraq, our JAG ensured insurgents were properly documented with evidence according to both US and Iraqi law. Often, they were the only thing that stood between an insurgent being caught and released or caught, tried and executed. It may not be glamorous, but to those of us fighting these guys on the streets, the last thing we wanted was to see them again. That meant that someone like Kevin Calvey was doing it. I have nothing against James Lankford. He is as good as they come. But Kevin did serve his country (and still does) and is supported by Vets for Freedom and others that believe his voice in the congress will go a long way to bolster those at our nation's capitol that want to quit on our troops. Not saying James Lankford would. I doubt it. But I now for certain Kevin would not. I've even endorsed him. If I were voting in that district, he would get my vote. Steve Don't get me wrong here. I'm not saying he's a bad guy or anything. What I will say is that a lawyer getting a bronze star like that is quite different from one that a grunt or even an FO would earn. Of course, over my career I've seen some awards that have made me physically ill. I'm quite sure that those that have BTDT know what I'm talking about.
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Got a link? ETA: nevermind, found one. Bronze star I have my opinion, but you're obviously free to make your own. Come on Sam, give it up He's your mentor/role model?
I'm pretty consistant on my low opinion of most lawyers.
Prosecuted terrorists in a tactical environment/courtroom? Look up WTF in a dictonary and thats right thereHey, do they give Bronze Stars in the Marines for pushing paper?
FIK, I was Army. |
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Got a link? ETA: nevermind, found one. Bronze star I have my opinion, but you're obviously free to make your own. Come on Sam, give it up He's your mentor/role model?
I'm pretty consistant on my low opinion of most lawyers.
Prosecuted terrorists in a tactical environment/courtroom? Look up WTF in a dictonary and thats right thereHey, do they give Bronze Stars in the Marines for pushing paper?
FIK, I was Army. Dan's old and senile. just smile, shake your head, and walk away.
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You guys need to understand what a JAG guy does. When I commanded my task force in Iraq, our JAG ensured insurgents were properly documented with evidence according to both US and Iraqi law. Often, they were the only thing that stood between an insurgent being caught and released or caught, tried and executed. It may not be glamorous, but to those of us fighting these guys on the streets, the last thing we wanted was to see them again. That meant that someone like Kevin Calvey was doing it. I have nothing against James Lankford. He is as good as they come. But Kevin did serve his country (and still does) and is supported by Vets for Freedom and others that believe his voice in the congress will go a long way to bolster those at our nation's capitol that want to quit on our troops. Not saying James Lankford would. I doubt it. But I now for certain Kevin would not. I've even endorsed him. If I were voting in that district, he would get my vote. Steve Don't get me wrong here. I'm not saying he's a bad guy or anything. What I will say is that a lawyer getting a bronze star like that is quite different from one that a grunt or even an FO would earn. Of course, over my career I've seen some awards that have made me physically ill. I'm quite sure that those that have BTDT know what I'm talking about.He seems like a good candidate, pro-gun, pro-vet, lower taxes. And I strongly suspect he didn't ASK for a bronze star, someone thought he deserved it and wrote it up. Heroic courtroom prosecutions or not, I've seen bronze stars awarded for less (and more). |
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Well, my original feeling still stands. He may be an ok guy, but playing up a bronze star for being a lawyer just don't sit right.
You don't see Regular 122 posting his awards all over the tele and telling us how big a hero he is. And he is a HERO. There is a stand up fellow. |
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Well, my original feeling still stands. He may be an ok guy, but playing up a bronze star for being a lawyer just don't sit right. At least he's linking to the actual citation, allowing the reader to form their own opinion. I have no knowledge of any other specific comments he's made concerning his receiving the Bronze star. What irritates me more is the proliferation of bronze star plates. There truly are admin bronze stars and bronze stars for acts of heroism, but the general public typically doesn't know this, making everyone with the plate an automatic certified combat hero. |
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I knew they gave the Bronze Star for Valor, but for paper pushing?
Come on, that is ridiculous. Sorry, but for him to promote his Bronze Star in his campaign portrays it as an award of valor. That is demeaning to those in the Armed Forces that have been wounded or died because of their valor in combat and NEVER received an award other than a purple heart or a wooden suit. |
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I have serious doubts about Calvey's Integrity at this moment. Considering the "discovery" of all that investment income he can not explain since he had no investment in it in the first place. Additionally, Calvey immediately started slinging mud at James Lankford .That guy is so Lilly white it is not even funny. All the time Lankford looks better and Calvey looks worse to me. The other BIG PLUS is that Lankford has not been a career politician. AND he is not a LAWYER. My biggest gripe right now is that we have too many attorneys in the government. Were it not for attorneys writing laws in such a manner as to make them almost impossible for the average American to read we would much better off. I still find it amazing that the legislation that authorized the funding and construction of the Eisenhower Interstate System was done in less that 30 pages but no bill authored in the last 40 years can be authored in less than several hundred. Calvey has already poisoned the well for me as a voter IMO. |
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Quoted: I knew they gave the Bronze Star for Valor, but for paper pushing? Come on, that is ridiculous. Sorry, but for him to promote his Bronze Star in his campaign portrays it as an award of valor. That is demeaning to those in the Armed Forces that have been wounded or died because of their valor in combat and NEVER received an award other than a purple heart or a wooden suit. You can also receive the Bronze Star for service. FWIW, there have been many times that I was in court with my attorney at 3 AM on a Saturday morning, finishing up a court-martial. Laugh all you want about lawyers in the Army, but they're often the hardest working officers in the brigade staff. |
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I have serious doubts about Calvey's Integrity at this moment. Considering the "discovery" of all that investment income he can not explain since he had no investment in it in the first place. Additionally, Calvey immediately started slinging mud at James Lankford .That guy is so Lilly white it is not even funny. All the time Lankford looks better and Calvey looks worse to me. The other BIG PLUS is that Lankford has not been a career politician. AND he is not a LAWYER. My biggest gripe right now is that we have too many attorneys in the government. Were it not for attorneys writing laws in such a manner as to make them almost impossible for the average American to read we would much better off. I still find it amazing that the legislation that authorized the funding and construction of the Eisenhower Interstate System was done in less that 30 pages but no bill authored in the last 40 years can be authored in less than several hundred. Calvey has already poisoned the well for me as a voter IMO. Well, I won't argue on the worth of lawyers. We usually don't want any until we need one. As to the smear campaign the the newspapers started about his brother, my reaction was, what does his brother's success as an investor have to do with anything? He is not even running. Just trying to earn a sandwich so the government can eat half. And then his brother runs for congress and they try to make him to be some evil rich guy. I know both of these men running for congress. The good news is that either one of them would do well. And, knowing most of those that ran, they are the two that should have made it this far out of the 7 that started. Bronze Stars for service are the wartime equivalent of the Meritorious Service Medal. That in effect is what he received for his Iraq service. Bronze Stars for Valor are much different. Any time you hear 'with 'V' device'' that means something altogether different. Usually involved great risk of life, killing and pain. That is why the service makes the distinction. Whether the political consultants, ad men or Kevin himself make use of the Bronze Star, what of it? Less than half of 1% of our nation even defends it. That separates him from 99.5% of the rest of our country, veterans excepting. Personally, I admire his stand against the Council on American Islamic Relations (CAIR). They funneled money to Hamas and the local CAIR rep was indicted on money laundering. At a time when mosques are appearing on the site where 3000 Americans perished, we need someone to call things what they are without regard to political correctness. There are some things that just can't be worked out over a latte at Starbucks with these radical Islamic types. If we budge, they shove. They will use our own laws to be sheltered in their protection only to ascend to a point where they will try to destroy our freedoms. Steve |
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It's a rare exception in today's society when you can believe a politician is what he portrays himself to be.
As far as attorneys being legislators, they've screwed the country up enough with frivolous litigation besides what attorney/legislators have already done to our government. I want someone I can trust. An attorney doesn't fit that category. |
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Got a link? ETA: nevermind, found one. Bronze star I have my opinion, but you're obviously free to make your own. Come on Sam, give it up He's your mentor/role model?
I'm pretty consistant on my low opinion of most lawyers.
Prosecuted terrorists in a tactical environment/courtroom? Look up WTF in a dictonary and thats right thereHey, do they give Bronze Stars in the Marines for pushing paper?
Idk about the POG side of the house cause I was on the grunt side, its hard as fuck to get the Bronze Star in my side of the house Most Marines get NAMs for doin their job. However, I do know two Marines who got a Bronze star, bother were in my battalion. One of them got it from a firefight that I was a part of, he did a great job with it having been his first deployment. |
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Well, my original feeling still stands. He may be an ok guy, but playing up a bronze star for being a lawyer just don't sit right. At least he's linking to the actual citation, allowing the reader to form their own opinion. I have no knowledge of any other specific comments he's made concerning his receiving the Bronze star. What irritates me more is the proliferation of bronze star plates. There truly are admin bronze stars and bronze stars for acts of heroism, but the general public typically doesn't know this, making everyone with the plate an automatic certified combat hero. Lots and lots of those here on post and around the area.
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Quoted: Quoted: I have serious doubts about Calvey's Integrity at this moment. Considering the "discovery" of all that investment income he can not explain since he had no investment in it in the first place. Additionally, Calvey immediately started slinging mud at James Lankford .That guy is so Lilly white it is not even funny. All the time Lankford looks better and Calvey looks worse to me. The other BIG PLUS is that Lankford has not been a career politician. AND he is not a LAWYER. My biggest gripe right now is that we have too many attorneys in the government. Were it not for attorneys writing laws in such a manner as to make them almost impossible for the average American to read we would much better off. I still find it amazing that the legislation that authorized the funding and construction of the Eisenhower Interstate System was done in less that 30 pages but no bill authored in the last 40 years can be authored in less than several hundred. Calvey has already poisoned the well for me as a voter IMO. Well, I won't argue on the worth of lawyers. We usually don't want any until we need one. As to the smear campaign the the newspapers started about his brother, my reaction was, what does his brother's success as an investor have to do with anything? He is not even running. Just trying to earn a sandwich so the government can eat half. And then his brother runs for congress and they try to make him to be some evil rich guy. I know both of these men running for congress. The good news is that either one of them would do well. And, knowing most of those that ran, they are the two that should have made it this far out of the 7 that started. Bronze Stars for service are the wartime equivalent of the Meritorious Service Medal. That in effect is what he received for his Iraq service. Bronze Stars for Valor are much different. Any time you hear 'with 'V' device'' that means something altogether different. Usually involved great risk of life, killing and pain. That is why the service makes the distinction. Whether the political consultants, ad men or Kevin himself make use of the Bronze Star, what of it? Less than half of 1% of our nation even defends it. That separates him from 99.5% of the rest of our country, veterans excepting. Personally, I admire his stand against the Council on American Islamic Relations (CAIR). They funneled money to Hamas and the local CAIR rep was indicted on money laundering. At a time when mosques are appearing on the site where 3000 Americans perished, we need someone to call things what they are without regard to political correctness. There are some things that just can't be worked out over a latte at Starbucks with these radical Islamic types. If we budge, they shove. They will use our own laws to be sheltered in their protection only to ascend to a point where they will try to destroy our freedoms. Steve Senator, I will not argue the merit of Calvey's stance against CAIR because I think the whole organization should be broken up any way. What I am driving at is that I see one candidate who is running a campaign like Ronald Reagan or Barry Goldwater and talking the talk to boot, and I see another candidate who likes to talk and then has run some pretty negative ads against his competition.I expect that crap from Democrats and most Republicans but a true Conservative should be able to run on his ideas and convictions and let his record stand for it's self. As I recall concerning Kevin Calvey,not his brother somehow managed to derive dividend income from an investment in which he never invested capital, and yes his brother was involved as a principal. I am saying give us full disclosure instead of making excuses; Something else we have seen enough of don't you think? Just for the record I am not knocking his Bronze Star or the fact he supports vets. I am a vet and I love the troops and support them. But just because someone is a vet does not mean they will make a good representative for the people.
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I'm tired of voting for the candidate in an election who stinks the least.
It's so bad I'm beginning to believe that most politicians can't help but stink with all the BS they put out (present company excluded). Calvey is taking advantage of most voter's' ignorance of the merit of the Bronze Star he received, most thinking he is a John Wayne of the Iraq war. Screw that. Lankford looks even wormier to me than Calvey. I probably won't vote for a Congressman this year. |
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I don't live in the district so can't vote in this election, but I thought Calvey made good sense when he spoke at a TriCityGunClub meeting in a previous election cycle, and would support him as a gun guy.
But it's the other topic in this thread I want to comment on. Victory over our country's enemies requires all sorts of service, including a JAG corps. When I worked for IDA in Princeton we were fighting the Cold War with abstract algebra (and we won, by the way). Senator Steve's talk about the capture of Saddam Hussein (a DVD every American should see) is good on the value of HUMINT, but SIGINT matters too. That work, especially its theoretical side, would seem to most of you as far removed from battle, and it is, but America needs it, and thank goodness we do it very well. And beware the day those who think we don't need this anymore because the world runs on hope have their way. If the only lawyers, or doctors, or cryptographers who served were those who just couldn't avoid it, America would suffer. I think we say to Calvey what we say to any vet: thank you for your service. And if he was decorated for doing it especially well, I thank him even more. America also needs church camp directors, BTW, and Lankford is undoubtedly a good one. I don't know his record about serving his country, but the as long as he didn't avoid it, there is no issue. O.P. |
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It's a said state of affairs when any candidate, whether a man of integrity or not, misleads the voters with what is an obvious misconception on the voters' part - his Bronze Star is for valor and being in harm's way on a battle field.
I remember an older friend, a retired Marine Colonel who served at Iwo Jima, talk with disgust about John Kerry and his Purple Heart for a piece of rice penetrating his skin from a blown up food cache in Viet Nam. To him, it demeaned the valor of the men who really were wounded in Viet Nam. Maybe I'm taking it wrong, but it seems that there is a parallel here between Calvey and John Kerry. |
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Senator, I will not argue the merit of Calvey's stance against CAIR because I think the whole organization should be broken up any way. What I am driving at is that I see one candidate who is running a campaign like Ronald Reagan or Barry Goldwater and talking the talk to boot, and I see another candidate who likes to talk and then has run some pretty negative ads against his competition.I expect that crap from Democrats and most Republicans but a true Conservative should be able to run on his ideas and convictions and let his record stand for it's self. As I recall concerning Kevin Calvey,not his brother somehow managed to derive dividend income from an investment in which he never invested capital, and yes his brother was involved as a principal. I am saying give us full disclosure instead of making excuses; Something else we have seen enough of don't you think? Just for the record I am not knocking his Bronze Star or the fact he supports vets. I am a vet and I love the troops and support them. But just because someone is a vet does not mean they will make a good representative for the people. Well I can't argue with the feelings of disgust about how this campaign has turned in the final days. Seems to always happen. Doesn't have to though. And really, it is sad because if the two of them were not running against each other, they would be nodding in agreement on nearly everything and would be friends. Now, they likely won't. At any rate, I agree that the positive Reagan / Goldwater issues America approach is better for the voters. I personally believe that the negative ads take away a candidates chances. Steve |