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THIS BILL NEEDED TO DIE!  CONCEALED CARRY/ OPEN CARRY IS BULL S**T !!!
WHAT WE WANT IS CONSTITUTIONAL CARRY. AS GUARANTEED BY THE 2ND AMENDMENT

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All or nothing will get us nowhere. Actually it will hurt us and our cause.



While I agree with the sentiment, I'm smart enough to know that in the real world, it won't work out in our favor.



Please wake up.

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In regards as to compromise when it comes to 2a rights. I would like to point out we got where we are today because WE COMPROMISED with the other side on our God Given Rights. Now we are negotiating and compromising to get our God Given Rights back and you say we should compromise more ??  Does none of this sound insane to you?  

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The left is content with taking 2 steps forward, and one step back to take away our rights. Nothing at all wrong with beating them at their own game. I'll take incrementalism over loss anytime.

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Amen to that.

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Just saw the post.

The bill died because of the governor's veto. The vote override failed in the house by 5 votes. Because the override failed in the House, we did not get a chance to vote it in the senate. By all estimations, we were about 3 votes short in the senate.

I've read some of the comments with amusement and some with concern. Maybe I should not comment on them, but since my name is on the title of this post for insight, perhaps I will.

I am pretty familiar with the scriptures but no where do I see the right to bear arms.

We are endowed by our Creator with certain inalienable rights according to our founders and these are: life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. It only serves then that one of the pillars of liberty is the right to bear arms. Our government has given us this right since 1789 in the constitution and in practice even before that from 1775 to 1789.

That said, the right to bear arms comes FROM our government as guaranteed by the constitution in the 2nd Amendment. The 10th Amendment states that those powers not specifically reserved by the Federal Government are retained by the states. This includes provisions for the use and carrying of firearms since there are no national provisions for such. Consequently, each state reserves these powers differently.

In Oklahoma, we enjoy broad liberties with our ability to use firearms and even carry them for our protection. While not perfect, states across the country would love to have our freedom at the state level.

As to the open carry provision, there would have been benefits to it. I personally would not have carried open, but I could see the benefit in terms of imprinting for concealed holders. And for those concerned about just anyone carrying a firearm openly, many felt the concealed carry permit background check served as a firewall of reasonable safeguard that would allow law abiding Oklahomans to exercise the privilege without prejudice in society and not be viewed as a threat. Whether I agree or disagree with that, that is the essence of how we got the bill language in its present form.

I did not author the bill but could find it easy enough to support as it would grant additional freedom not currently possessed. And that, in my view has to be the approach. Swinging the pendulum the other direction at every opportunity gets you further than not swinging at all. Steve

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Well I am glad to see my comments stirred the pot if nothing else.

We the people. The American people. The people that made the American form of government. The people that made the US constitution with the American Bill of Rights. The people that elect our American officials, etc. We the people that allow ourselves to be governed by that American form of government. And we do what that government tells us or we end up outside the law. So, that leaves us with trying to influence that government through legitimate, peaceful means or be outside that government and break the law. The choice is pretty much that. Read Romans 13:1-8.

When I made my comments about 'God given' rights, it was to put it into factual context that the bill of rights came from our founders and our accepted adopted form of government. Hence, the government founders guaranteed those rights for future generations long after they were dead in the hopes that the government they created would extend those rights to future American generations. So far, we can still speak up, still vote, still get right of redress in our courts, still bear arms, still own property and have privacy to our papers from unreasonable searches. That is one of the most decent governments on the planet and still the finest in the world provided we have sense enough to preserve it before it is gone completely.

And there's the rub. In our zeal to claim our rights, we put up all this talk about bucking the government instead of doing something about it to reform the erosion of our liberties. I never claimed to be perfect. But if you think I will just sit out and complain as others erode our liberty, that is not me. Three wars, 21 years active service and then got the insane notion to run for elective office and won. And to be quite frank, I still wonder at times if it matters.

You want open carry? Do something about it. Write the bill that would be better and I'll personally take a look at it. I didn't author the last one but worked some on its language. You don't want open carry? Do nothing.

nitekrawler, hopefully I answered what happened to the vetoed bill in your original question. Steve

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That's fine Chuck and like our personal conversations, we seem to agree on most things. I don't disagree with anything in your last post. But I would add that I still work for a living. 75% of my income comes from self employment. If not, my wife and 5 kids would starve. And the last thing I would want is for legislator pay to be high. That comes out of the working man's pocket.

My point about our 2nd Amendment rights coming from the government was calculated to show that if we don't demand our rights as voters and use that process, they will be lost to the government and we will be outside the law. Push back, no matter how small is better than thinking we can swing the pendulum in one swoop. The more you take it to the right, the better.

For example, look at Canada. In the 1990s, they passed a national gun registration act on the premise that it would prevent crime and pay for itself. It did neither. Crime shot up and the program consumed $2 Billion. Slowly, conservatives won seats in parliament that pushed the notion of reform on this act with a goal to repeal. It took years and little steps until this year, the entire gun registry in Canada was destroyed and the law repealed. It did not seem possible. But now they are back to an individual right to own an unregistered gun. Australia and Britain should take note.

As to the writing of bills, I think it could even be more simple. Just like when we worked the suppressor bill on this forum, we took people's ideas here and then turned it into bill language at 23rd and Lincoln.

So why not on the open carry? If the last bill was so bad, what would be the components that would make it pass? Steve

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Steve , I don`t think the language in the bill was wrong it was the Political call that Veto the Bill for his personal gain ( now I an speculating on that ) but

I don't think the Governor had the people in Oklahoma in his best interests at all over the Open Carry Bill. All Bills deal with firearms  die,

I think that what's get people kinda a little rub wrong here .

for Chuck,   #3  Must take a safety class on the laws and how to properly use a firearm. Not just shooting it, good instruction on

how to. Military honorably dischared, active, or reserve exempt

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Steve , I don`t think the language in the bill was wrong it was the Political call that Veto the Bill for his personal gain ( now I an speculating on that ) but

I don't think the Governor had the people in Oklahoma in his best interests at all over the Open Carry Bill. All Bills deal with firearms  die,

I think that what's get people kinda a little rub wrong here .

for Chuck,   #3  Must take a safety class on the laws and how to properly use a firearm. Not just shooting it, good instruction on

how to.

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I WIN!

WITH ALL DO RESPECT SIR,
TO YOU AND THE OFFICE YOU HOLD, YOUR ANSWER WAS WHAT I EXPECTED FROM A POLITICIAN. "WRITE ANOTHER BILL"? THAT IS A POLITICIANS ANSWER TO EVERY PROBLEM. THAT'S WHAT GOT US INTO THIS MESS.
THEREIN LIES THE NATURE OF THE BEAST. TOO MANY BILLS ALREADY! THE ONLY BILL WE NEED HAS BEEN IN PLACE SINCE THE FIRST WEDNESDAY IN MARCH, 1789. AS AN AMERICAN CITIZEN, PATRIOT AND VOTER, I ASK YOU TO REINTRODUCE AND AFFIRM THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AS THE SUPREME LAW OF THE LAND AND THE STATE OF OKLAHOMA. TO YOUR COLLEAGUES IN THE SENATE, AS THEY SEEM TO HAVE FORGOTTEN IT.
DO YOU THINK THOSE BOYS ON THE BRIDGE AT CONCORD WOULD HAVE ACCEPTED LITTLE STEPS FORWARD? NO! THEY TOOK ONE GIANT LEAP FORWARD INTO THE PAGES OF HISTORY AND CREATED THE GREATEST NATION THIS WORLD HAS EVER KNOWN. THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA!!!

SINCERELY, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT,
JIMMY L. GARINGER

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Write your own bill. Mine stands as is

I disagree with that. You know why? Because I expect ALL citizens to be responsible for that knowledge and experience. Besides, you want to add this, FISTer wants to add that, someone else wants to add whatever. Next thing you know, we have a 200 page bill that a room full of lawyers can't figure out.
Its about freedom. Some of you sure want to restrict it. I want it as simple as possible.

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Well I guess the RTKBA biblical roots could have started in the book of Luke, Chapter 22 verse 36 Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one