Posted: 4/29/2009 4:47:13 PM EDT
I just found out that TJ from OSA passed away. TJ sold lots of Pmags on OSA and AR15.com as well. He was also a member here but I don't remember his screen name. 
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I just found out that TJ from OSA passed away. TJ sold lots of Pmags on OSA and AR15.com as well. He was also a member here but I don't remember his screen name. WTH??? Are you sure? I just got two sets of Magpul MBUS from him in the maiil today. He had ALMOST talked me into another buttstock too.  sad deal if true.
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Very sad news. My thoughts and prayers are with Dee and the kids.
As a side note, if there's anyone else out here who's having hard times, or who's have the most EPIC 1911 vs. Glock debate of all time in their heads, and just has no one they think they can talk to, well, send me a PM or something. I'd hate to read about this happening to another one of our people here. I heard just tonight from someone that If you're going through hell, keep on going. You might make it out before the devil even knows you're there. |
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I wasnt going to post further on this, because I hold so strong feelings on it.
1) There is no valid reason to commit suicide. Only weakminded chickenshits do it. 2) Consider the terrible hardships that you will be putting the rest of the family through, YEARS worth. You honestly believe that they will be better off without you? 
When all else fails, man the fuck up and see item #1 
One final note. Due to a recent upswing on weakminded chickenshits in the Army, we have been going through multiple suicide prevention classes. While I'm not all that great on the whole "touchy feely" stuff, I'll join 2B and offer myself up as someone to talk to if you need someone. I know, I'm a hard man (asshole). 
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I wasn't going to post further on this, because I hold so strong feelings on it. 1) There is.... (snip) .....Army, we have been going through multiple suicide prevention classes. While I'm not all that great on the whole "touchy feely" stuff, I'll join 2B and offer myself up as someone to talk to if you need someone. I know, I'm a hard man (asshole). If you talk to them if they need help, will you try to get them to leave you their guns, ammo, and reloading stuff?
My advice to anyone who has someone mention suicide is not to fuck around, get them professional help. The common thought is that talking about suicide or even a half assed attempt is a cry for attention. You might be talking to the exception, someone that will really do it. Like one gal who attempted suicide in August of last year told me, she wasn't screwing around, she just had bad timing. She took about 100 pills in the afternoon. Her daughter found her soon enough to get Emergency Services there to save her. As it was she was in a coma for three days, resuscitated twice on the way to the hospital. She said if she was going to do it now, she would wait until everyone was asleep and do it then. She says she won't do it again, but if she does, it will be successful. She is seeing a shrink. If someone in depression mentions drastic actions, I do suggest you have professional help available for them. And even then, some of that is a waste of time. But don't take it on yourself to be their sole support when they really need drugs and counseling. It could be very costly. |
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I've got the utmost respect for the deceased, and hope that his family survives this tragedy. To the family go my heaviest condolences.
Chuck, I disrespectfully disagree with your opinion for two reasons: 1) I think it takes more balls than any one of us has for someone to be able to decide that tomorrow or any day after that for the matter, they do not wish to wake up. This is only specific to those who do it with little or no warning and can justify it to themselves. Not the attention whores just looking for a 'me fix'. 2) Let me relate to you a story. My doctor (and favorite customer at the lumberyard I worked at) found out that he had an inoperable brain tumor. He went through all the Chemo and Radiation Therapy with no success. Being a doctor he knew better than anyone else what he would be going through, and what he would be putting his family (wife and 6 year old daughter) and friends through. From what I remember the kind he had was going to progressively degenerate his motor functions and memory essentially reducing him to a vegetative state. Rather than him putting them through all that he said his goodbyes, got all of his affairs in order, and had a family member drive him to Norman where he checked into a motel and euthanized himself. Some may see this as selfish, and they are welcome to disagree. I however just think about what I'd do in that situation. Would I let my family remember me as the husk they saw just before death or the man I was before the illness. I hope this thread gets locked soon before anymore disrespect of the deceased occurs. |
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I've got the utmost respect for the deceased, and hope that his family survives this tragedy. To the family go my heaviest condolences. Chuck, I disrespectfully disagree with your opinion for two reasons: 1) I think it takes more balls than any one of us has for someone to be able to decide that tomorrow or any day after that for the matter, they do not wish to wake up. This is only specific to those who do it with little or no warning and can justify it to themselves. Not the attention whores just looking for a 'me fix'. 2) Let me relate to you a story. My doctor (and favorite customer at the lumberyard I worked at) found out that he had an inoperable brain tumor. He went through all the Chemo and Radiation Therapy with no success. Being a doctor he knew better than anyone else what he would be going through, and what he would be putting his family (wife and 6 year old daughter) and friends through. From what I remember the kind he had was going to progressively degenerate his motor functions and memory essentially reducing him to a vegetative state. Rather than him putting them through all that he said his goodbyes, got all of his affairs in order, and had a family member drive him to Norman where he checked into a motel and euthanized himself. Some may see this as selfish, and they are welcome to disagree. I however just think about what I'd do in that situation. Would I let my family remember me as the husk they saw just before death or the man I was before the illness. I hope this thread gets locked soon before anymore disrespect of the deceased occurs. The good thing about this place is the fact that different people from different walks of life can come together on here and discuss all sorts of different subjects. You might disagree with Chuck, but what's the point of disrespectfully disagreeing? What I REALLY have a problem with is people calling for a thread lock (ie: CENSORSHIP) because their view and someone elses don't jive. I read Chuck's comment a few times to make sure I really understood what he was saying and at NO time did I sense any disrespect meant. Both you and Chuck made valid points in your posts. There is no one size fits all answers to life's very complex and complicated issues. A balance needs to exist. There are some instances where "saving the last bullet for yourself" makes a heck of a lot of sense. There are others where it makes no sense to see that as an option. If anything, TJ has taught a different lesson to different people by his actions. Each individual interprets things differently. Again, calling for a thread lock because of a difference of opinions is the kind of crap that goes on.....on other websites, hopefully not this one. |
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I've got the utmost respect for the deceased, and hope that his family survives this tragedy. To the family go my heaviest condolences. Chuck, I disrespectfully disagree with your opinion for two reasons: 1) I think it takes more balls than any one of us has for someone to be able to decide that tomorrow or any day after that for the matter, they do not wish to wake up. This is only specific to those who do it with little or no warning and can justify it to themselves. Not the attention whores just looking for a 'me fix'. 2) Let me relate to you a story. My doctor (and favorite customer at the lumberyard I worked at) found out that he had an inoperable brain tumor. He went through all the Chemo and Radiation Therapy with no success. Being a doctor he knew better than anyone else what he would be going through, and what he would be putting his family (wife and 6 year old daughter) and friends through. From what I remember the kind he had was going to progressively degenerate his motor functions and memory essentially reducing him to a vegetative state. Rather than him putting them through all that he said his goodbyes, got all of his affairs in order, and had a family member drive him to Norman where he checked into a motel and euthanized himself. Some may see this as selfish, and they are welcome to disagree. I however just think about what I'd do in that situation. Would I let my family remember me as the husk they saw just before death or the man I was before the illness. I hope this thread gets locked soon before anymore disrespect of the deceased occurs. regarding your #1, so what you're saying is that somebody is more of a man if they walk away from his problems and responsibilities, compared to the man who toughs it out for his family? as to #2, whether you see what your doctor friend did as a positive or a negative depends entirely on your religious outlook. i have no desire to get into a religious discussion over teh web, suffice it to say opinions will vary greatly - which is fine. i mean no disrespect to the decedent and i don't think chuck did either, i think he was speaking in generalities. |
| Whoops, didn't notice I put that in there. My apologies, I was just thinking his post seemed a bit disrespectful, and must of typed it instead of the intended 'respectfully'. I will edit the post if everyone okay's it. Sorry Chuck, I really fat fingered that one. |
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I've got the utmost respect for the deceased, and hope that his family survives this tragedy. To the family go my heaviest condolences. Chuck, I disrespectfully disagree with your opinion for two reasons: 1) I think it takes more balls than any one of us has for someone to be able to decide that tomorrow or any day after that for the matter, they do not wish to wake up. This is only specific to those who do it with little or no warning and can justify it to themselves. Not the attention whores just looking for a 'me fix'. 2) Let me relate to you a story. My doctor (and favorite customer at the lumberyard I worked at) found out that he had an inoperable brain tumor. He went through all the Chemo and Radiation Therapy with no success. Being a doctor he knew better than anyone else what he would be going through, and what he would be putting his family (wife and 6 year old daughter) and friends through. From what I remember the kind he had was going to progressively degenerate his motor functions and memory essentially reducing him to a vegetative state. Rather than him putting them through all that he said his goodbyes, got all of his affairs in order, and had a family member drive him to Norman where he checked into a motel and euthanized himself. Some may see this as selfish, and they are welcome to disagree. I however just think about what I'd do in that situation. Would I let my family remember me as the husk they saw just before death or the man I was before the illness. I hope this thread gets locked soon before anymore disrespect of the deceased occurs. The good thing about this place is the fact that different people from different walks of life can come together on here and discuss all sorts of different subjects. You might disagree with Chuck, but what's the point of disrespectfully disagreeing? What I REALLY have a problem with is people calling for a thread lock (ie: CENSORSHIP) because their view and someone elses don't jive. I read Chuck's comment a few times to make sure I really understood what he was saying and at NO time did I sense any disrespect meant. I was merely thinking what if one of TJ's kids or wife happened on the comments in here and misinterpreted them as I evidently did. In no way was I asking for censorship. I was however thinking a separate thread without the association of a particular individual would be better. Both you and Chuck made valid points in your posts. There is no one size fits all answers to life's very complex and complicated issues. A balance needs to exist. There are some instances where "saving the last bullet for yourself" makes a heck of a lot of sense. There are others where it makes no sense to see that as an option. wholly agree If anything, TJ has taught a different lesson to different people by his actions. Each individual interprets things differently. Again, calling for a thread lock because of a difference of opinions is the kind of crap that goes on.....on other websites, hopefully not this one. Sorry man, I have a bad tendency to think something is coming out the way I intended and that not being true. If that makes sense. |
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Depression is an illness. It strikes even the old, the young, feeble or strong. As a psych instructor once told the class I was in - Mental illness chooses you, you don't choose it.
The whack jobs like the Virginia Tech shooter, Pat Sherrell at the Edmond Post Office, etc are the ones that deserve scorn. Like I've said before, if someone tells you they are thinking about checking out, listen, and kindly direct them to a mental health specialist. I've had days when it hurt bad enough (shoulders, knees, etc) to make me want to end it all, but fuck it, I'm here to make other people miserable if I can. 
But if that switch trips in mine, yours, or someone else's head, and you recognize it, don't sit on your hands and let them do the "gran fatale". At least make an effort to persuade them otherwise and to get help. I've had more than one close friend take their life. Even when I hadn't seen them in years, hearing of their deaths hit me hard. I know Chuck has had the same thing in his life. He's seen the aftermath like I have and it is harder to take than the friend's death. What Chuck is saying is to help them if you can, not just for their sake, but yours too. No Chuck, you can't have my guns or ammo if I decide to check out!!!!
My sympathy to the deceased and his family! Learn from it, take it to heart, and help others in that situation if you can!!!! ETA I want the epitaph on my tombstone to say: Dan was an asshole. Chuck said so. 
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I stand by what I said. I tend to think of how much harder a life someones kids will have when they commit suicide. Think of the way a suicide affects others. I dont really care all that much about the individual. Thats the Libertarian coming out of me. Do what you want until it affects someone else.
Of course, there are exceptions to every rule. Take the story of the Doc above. |