Posted: 5/11/2005 9:21:11 PM EDT
| I plans to buy a Savage Arms Rifle (heavy barrel .308) www.savagearms.com/10fple1.htm but I don't know if this rifle could knock a deer down with one shot. please give me advise. thanks in advance. |
Why buy a rifle to try and knock the deer down? It's cheaper to buy a basball bat. Like Johnny said, get yourself some "ed-shoe-k-shun". |
Eclipster I own 2 of those rifles one in 308 the other in 223 mine are the model before the accutrigger came out with a 24"barrel. They drive tacks. Both of mine have killed deer with one shot numerous times. The key with any rifle is shot placement and ammunition. A 223 through the ear has never failed me.  For example Don't use elk ammunition on deer it overpenetrates and doesn't transfer the kinetic energy"knockdown power" in other words it punches a whole clean through most of the time. Be Warned if your not still hunting it get's old carrying a bull barrel rifle in the woods. But it your a hard core Mother Trucker like me it's no big deal. Not really it still sucks if you walk in/out is 8-10 miles round trip. I'm just trying to warn you a lightweight hunting rifle has its place. My tactical rifle's didn't even make the hunting trip last year I'm getting lazy. Side note some people are F%$n with you cause they can tell you don't know everything about guns. Don't worry about it not everyone was blessed with the knowledge some of us had at birth  People take Moose with 308 out of T/C encore pistols with 15" barrels.So don't worry about the round and it's my 2nd favorite calliber next to 223 so your on the right track.  I'll try to take some pics tonight and turn this into a gun porn thread. 
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Very helpful info, thank you sir. ______________________________________________________________________________ P.S I don't mean to be rude here because most of you are older than me and I don't want to disrespect any of you here, perhaps we may see each other at the range or shoot out in one day. I admitted I don't know much about guns, that's why I'm here to learn and get the best out of it. So, If you think you could help me with the info then please do so. Don't just come in here and flame on me or tell me to go get "ed-shoe-k-shun". Education always good that's why I'm gonna be a paramedic soon 
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Eclipsester, One thing to consider, that particular rifle weighs a little more than 8lbs. By the time you get it setup to hunt, you're going to have a 10lb or heavier rifle. If you're planning on sitting in a treestand all day, that might be fine, but I'd recommend something lighter if you have other means of hunting in mind. |
I couldn't agree moore. BUT Do you think takeing a hunter safety course makes someone a capable squirel hunter let alone deer.  Get real man. Granted I took the class when I was 29 so I could hunt arkansa but I could have passed that test when I was 12 without takeing the class. Don't get me wrong I'm all for safe gun handling bla bla bla........................ But if your an adult and you need a hunter safety course for anything other than the capability to hunt in states that require one. You probaly don't need a gun period. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quoted: eclipster, if you have questions about hunting, email me or IM and I will gladly answer your questions. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quoted: same here bud, I'd be glad to help out -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- What would we ever do without you ladies? Recomend a hunter safety course wich wont teach him shit. Eclipsester If you want to "learn" to hunt best sugestion I can give you is try to find someone close to your location that seems competent and get some pointers or find several more info you have the better off you are. I would offer my help but I'm a bad example I'm a killer. Hear let me give you a hunter safety course right quick so Johnny will be happy. 1 Patience if you don't have it don't waste your time Or pay big bucks and hunt pinned animals  2 Never point a gun at anything you dont want destroyed murdered killed or fubar. 3 Treat every gun like its loaded refer to rule 2 4 Carry a little survival gear anyone who hunts alone and walks in deep like I do ocasionally 4-5 miles really doesn't matter how far but if you fall and break a leg or something it really sucks not having water or the ability to make fire stay warm etc. By the way having a magnesium flint fire starter don't do shit for you if you don't know how to use it. Since your studying to be a paramedic you should know hypothermia is bad be prepared if your around water "I only mention this cause I hunt a place thats only accesible by boat". Cell phones are great if you got one but sometimes no service be prepared to stay. 5 Carry extra ammo in case Murphy bites you in the ass see 4 sucks to have 4 shells in your gun and be laying their with a broke leg you may need to shoot a squirrel or rabbit to have something to eat and fire some shots to help someone locate you. 6 LOST in the woods if you haven't been your either one bad mother or you ain't been very deep. I'm a fat boy but I can still walk like when I was 18 I hunt deep lots of times you get past where all the weekenders are. If your going deep in the woods know how to use a compass or a gps "all gps are not created equall the first one I got wasn't worth a shit if trees were 10'15' feet you got no signal I took it back and traded it for a cheaper model Magellan and it works like a champ arkansas is the best place I've been to test one and it saved me lots of time" 7 Get in the woods you can't kill them at the house well you can if your lucky 8 Did I mention I wouldn't go to work if I didn't hunt.  I'm sure I left a bunch of shit out but that better info than what I got from my hunter safety course. |
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www.walmart.com/catalog/product.gsp?product_id=2685032&cat=170170&type=1&dept=4125&path=0%3A4125%3A4155%3A170080%3A170169%3A170170 I went to walmart today and ordered me a savage arms
 I will get it in 2 weeks. thank you all for your advices, I really appreciate it. |
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Eclipsester, I too will also to be glad to answer any questions you might have, you can also IM or Email me too…. Listen to what acman145acp, Danc, ironoxbows, they are telling you right. A little more insight ... I will offer you …. If this is going to be primarily a hunting rifle, a .308 is a fine choice… But as mentioned earlier in this thread, stick with a light, short rifle. The .308 can be loaded to handle virtually any type of area that you may be hunting, whether it be heavy brush or open terrain, In my 42 years of hunting I have only taken one deer at over 200 yards, all the rest have been at 75 or less, and in heavy brush. Just food for thought. Snpr |
We're just full of "experts," aren't we? Or, more correctly, full of ourselves.
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I'm looking for a scope right now ( Hunting Scope not Tac. scope) but If I have any question about hunting I will sure IM you guys for help. Thanks for your input. |
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Johnny_Nitro, It seems to me that Eclipsester came here looking for help and asked an honest question. You responded by suggesting a Hunter Safety Class. That was your last constructive post in this thread. Everyone else here has tried to help Eclipsester gain some knowledge and offer to help him while you chose to heckle those that offered help. If you are such a skilled and knowledgeable hunter you are ideally suited to help the man. Instead you chose to behave like an asshole. I hope I’m on the outside of an inside joke here in the OK Hometown Forum. I just wanted to say: Real hunters are all brothers and help each other out. I apologies to everyone, except Johhny_Nitro, for butting my NY nose into your forum but I hate to see a grown man behave badly and call himself a hunter.
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Well like I said I'm a killer. Whats your definiton of hamane shooting something through the lungs and letting it blead out or through the heart and letting it blead out. That's what everyone preaches is it effective sure it is. But humane not a chance. I'll take a 223 behind the ear anyday over a 308 through the chest. Which would you rather do bleed out and suffer like they preach or be done with it instantly. Neither one sound very appealing makes me glad they cant get their paws in a triggerguard.
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Yep, Johnny, they work good on hemorrhoids! Have you thought about putting one on your face? 
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Eclip.. Good choice,it's a fine rifle. The .308 cal can be loaded from 100 grain bullet for varmint ,up to 200 grain bullet for elk and moose.(150 grain ballistic tip is what I use for deer) Just remember,...Shoot as often as you can and at different ranges, 50yrds,75yrds,100 yrds ect.. Practice!!! ALOT !! like it was said above the key is shot placement. NEVER ...think you can make the shot,(nothing sucks more than making a crappy shot and having to track a wounded animal through 6 county's away!) Wait till you know for shure what your shooting AT ! and for shure you can make a clean kill shot.We need more younger people interested in hunting , BUT...what we need more is safe ethical hunters in the woods. Hunters Education is a good thing to do as well, I took it with my daughter(as she was required to get her jr. hunting license) although it is a common sence kind of course,but some people don't have common sence!! Walmart also has a good reference book called"Whitetail hunting" Ask for it in the hunting section of the store,I got it for my cousin and it helped him alot. hell, even some Walmarts even have a cut out cardboard deer ,with vitals outlined to show you where to shoot.That's how I taught my daughter how to shoot one( and she dropped her first doe at 125 yards or so, I mean dropped it!!!) She was shooting a 243 Good luck,hope you get a real nice one! |
You preach a good line of BULLSHIT about "real hunters," but after reading your misguided little rant, I'm not sure you'd know a "real hunter" if one bit you in the ass.
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Johnny, you are so disagreeable and cranky, I am sure you must use a sanitary napkin all the time! But you know taking a hunter safety education class was a good suggestion. I took the class to get an elk license in Colorado back in the late 70s. Ended up enjoying it and being an instructor for over 10 years. I really enjoye working the firing line down in Norman every year when they had the BIG classes. Showing 7 to 12 year old kids how to shoot and their concerned parents taking the class with them was a really enjoyable thing. 
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You know Johnny that if you keep on making that face " " it will get stuck like that.Let me just say if you are a "real hunter" I hope I'm not and will never meet one. 
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When someone asks if a .308 will "knock down a deer," that's sort of a red flag to me that something's amiss. Because I own several police-issue-type handguns, does that qualify me to be a police officer? Because I own a fast car, does that qualify me to be a NASCAR driver? Because I own a good pair of tenny shoes, does that make me an Olympic runner? Think about that before you decide to stick your nose into something you don't understand.
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Hanz You can't take hardly anything johnny says on the internet serious. It's his time of the century thats why all the sanitary napkin comments. BTW everyone I usually spell somewhat better but I'm hitting the bottle tonight and I hate spelling nazi's so bleading bleeding hamane humane takeit for what its worth that and a $1.82 will get you a 40 oz natural light. |
Johnny, Because you are misearble and unhappy, does that mean you have to take it out on everybody else? Because you are vocal and opinionated, does that mean your opinions are the only ones that count? Because you always have to quote someone else in your posts, does that mean you very seldom have an original thought? Because you seem to enjoy belittling others, does that mean you count for very little yourself? And think before you respond or quote this post before you vent your unhappiness on everyone else!
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Johnny, my old man taught me that the difference in reality and perception is how much bullshit you get shoveled and how much chicken shit you have to swallow. What you percieve is truth comes from a really slanted perspective. I truly wish things were better for you and you were more content with your life! 
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If someone is asking the rather obvious question about a .308 being capable of "knocking down a deer," it's probably a good bet that the same person isn't quite prepared to make a clean, humane, sportsmanlike kill. Rather than provide a bunch of shoddy advice, or in your parlance -- SHOVELING BULLSHIT -- I'd recommend taking a hunter safety course. Perhaps the completion of that will open the individual's eyes and mind to more subjects he needs to learn prior to heading into the woods. But YOU KNOW IT ALL, so just load him up with a rifle and send him out in the woods. Hopefully the strong will survive.
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