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Originally Posted By HansohnBrothers: Starting July 21, we are happy to transfer eeevil assault weapons and all magazines. Ship now, we'll hold until then. +1 for Hansohn Brothers! |
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Originally Posted By Lexington: +1 for Hansohn Brothers! Originally Posted By Lexington: Originally Posted By HansohnBrothers: Starting July 21, we are happy to transfer eeevil assault weapons and all magazines. Ship now, we'll hold until then. +1 for Hansohn Brothers! I second this. |
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Originally Posted By 243hunter: VA Attorney General has asked for stays on all awb lawsuits pending the US Supreme Courts decision on the awb cases they are hearing in the fall. Jay Jones is a little bitch. |
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Werent there like... 3 or 4 repuclican CA's that decided to SIDE with jones in this case and ask for a stay on the injunction too? Thank God I only have about 6 weeks (or LESS if my house sells) in this state. Speaking of which I need to go to hansohn and get my can. Ugh. |
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Originally Posted By cryo_tech: Werent there like... 3 or 4 repuclican CA's that decided to SIDE with jones in this case and ask for a stay on the injunction too? Thank God I only have about 6 weeks (or LESS if my house sells) in this state. Speaking of which I need to go to hansohn and get my can. Ugh. Yes. My county's (Ross Spicer, Frederick) couldn't sign on fast enough and then went in front of the Repub committee to defend his action. Pathetic... |
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Originally Posted By 243hunter: VA Attorney General has asked for stays on all awb lawsuits pending the US Supreme Courts decision on the awb cases they are hearing in the fall. That is interesting. Is Jay Jones thinking that the SCOTUS is going to side with the states and say they can impose AWBs? Not a good sign at all for the grand SCOTUS decision. But regardless I think when both sides bring their argument, the fact is whatever decision was made this year will play heavily into the arguments of this case in Virginia. If SCOTUS rules in favor of gun rights, Jay wouldn't have any sort of argument to stand on. Since the case in SCOTUS doesn't touch on magazines limits, my guess is they'll probably redo the law next session and impose a very, very strict magazine limit as a pay back. |
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Originally Posted By dalle0001: That is interesting. Is Jay Jones thinking that the SCOTUS is going to side with the states and say they can impose AWBs? Not a good sign at all for the grand SCOTUS decision. Originally Posted By dalle0001: Originally Posted By 243hunter: VA Attorney General has asked for stays on all awb lawsuits pending the US Supreme Courts decision on the awb cases they are hearing in the fall. That is interesting. Is Jay Jones thinking that the SCOTUS is going to side with the states and say they can impose AWBs? Not a good sign at all for the grand SCOTUS decision. Jay's tactics are all about bargaining for time. His actions are not indicative of any inside information about how SCOTUS will rule. He is playing odds, albeit odds that are not in his favor. Stays that endure through a potential SCOTUS decision in June 2027 buy him 11 months of effective AWB in Virginia. |
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Should be good news for VA moving forward. |
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Originally Posted By vellnueve: Per VCDL Jones has requested a stay until 2 weeks after SCOTUS rules next year, and has withdrawn the request for a stay on the GOA injunction. Unsure if the NRA/Stanley injunction also had a stay request pending. I have to say we are fortunate to have a retard like JJ as an "adversary". |
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Originally Posted By AndBen:
Should be good news for VA moving forward. Here is a full service post: Appeals court says NJ’s AR-15, high-capacity magazine bans violate Second Amendment Decision of The Court |
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Originally Posted By SoVa: So can we buy guns now? Yes, most shops are simply continuing on as usual. If you do place an online order, though, it is best to call the FFL prior just to confirm they want to accept the order. I haven't heard of a FFL denying the order yet, but they can. |
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Greentop has announced that they will NOT be selling AW's or standard capacity magazines. This is the statement from Greentop on 7/20/26: "Thank you for your understanding, patience, and continued support. We are grateful to have you all as a part of the Green Top family. ______________ For nearly 80 years, Green Top has proudly and lawfully served Virginia’s hunters, shooters, sportsmen, and firearm owners. Protecting that tradition and ensuring that Green Top remains here to serve future generations is a responsibility we take seriously. We believe the current restrictions regarding “assault firearms” and “large-capacity ammunition feeding devices” are unconstitutional. We remain hopeful that the courts will soon provide broader and more definitive guidance that allows us to resume normal sales and transfers. Unfortunately, the injunctions issued in the Washington County and Lancaster County cases are limited and do not provide sufficient relief for Green Top to sell or transfer the affected items. We understand that this decision will disappoint and frustrate many of our customers. It is not a decision we have made lightly. However, we have a responsibility to our customers, our employees and their families, our community, and the long-term future of our business to operate in a manner that we believe complies with all applicable laws and regulations. We believe this is the right and responsible decision to help ensure that the tradition of Green Top continues long into the future. Thank you for your patience, understanding, and continued support." |
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Originally Posted By Tipsovr: Greentop has announced that they will NOT be selling AW's or standard capacity magazines. This is the statement from Greentop on 7/20/26: "Thank you for your understanding, patience, and continued support. We are grateful to have you all as a part of the Green Top family. ______________ For nearly 80 years, Green Top has proudly and lawfully served Virginia’s hunters, shooters, sportsmen, and firearm owners. Protecting that tradition and ensuring that Green Top remains here to serve future generations is a responsibility we take seriously. We believe the current restrictions regarding “assault firearms” and “large-capacity ammunition feeding devices” are unconstitutional. We remain hopeful that the courts will soon provide broader and more definitive guidance that allows us to resume normal sales and transfers. Unfortunately, the injunctions issued in the Washington County and Lancaster County cases are limited and do not provide sufficient relief for Green Top to sell or transfer the affected items. We understand that this decision will disappoint and frustrate many of our customers. It is not a decision we have made lightly. However, we have a responsibility to our customers, our employees and their families, our community, and the long-term future of our business to operate in a manner that we believe complies with all applicable laws and regulations. We believe this is the right and responsible decision to help ensure that the tradition of Green Top continues long into the future. Thank you for your patience, understanding, and continued support." I understand that businesses are going to do what they are comfortable doing but, and I I say this being that I am not a lawyer, feel like the injunction is clearly statewide and that they aren’t open to any significant blow back? Or is it because they could be open to a lawsuit if a “AW” or magazine they sold were used in a high profile crime? Just curious. My local FFL NOVA Armory is transferring again no issues |
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Originally Posted By carmodyh: I understand that businesses are going to do what they are comfortable doing but, and I I say this being that I am not a lawyer, feel like the injunction is clearly statewide and that they aren’t open to any significant blow back? Or is it because they could be open to a lawsuit if a “AW” or magazine they sold were used in a high profile crime? Just curious. My local FFL NOVA Armory is transferring again no issues I would say it depends on what they're hesitant about... If they're hesitant about transferring something that is shipped to them to a person, then yes, they are probably worried about the legality of it and if they will get into any sort of trouble, especially if the injunction gets overturned or if the AG sets a lawsuit against them and raid the place. If they are hesitant about restocking or ordering or putting things on consignment, then they are probably worried about getting stuck in limbo. Let's say Joe went in there to sell his AW and somehow the injunction gets overturned then they need to transfer it back to Joe but they can't because it's against the law then. But in cases where they have third party wholesale that they buy from, they might be able to refund the order depending on their agreement. The best case for gun shops is to call around out of state stores and see if anyone wants to take a liquidated inventory of all their illegal guns and simply sell it at a significant loss. |
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Originally Posted By dalle0001: I would say it depends on what they're hesitant about... If they're hesitant about transferring something that is shipped to them to a person, then yes, they are probably worried about the legality of it and if they will get into any sort of trouble, especially if the injunction gets overturned or if the AG sets a lawsuit against them and raid the place. If they are hesitant about restocking or ordering or putting things on consignment, then they are probably worried about getting stuck in limbo. Let's say Joe went in there to sell his AW and somehow the injunction gets overturned then they need to transfer it back to Joe but they can't because it's against the law then. But in cases where they have third party wholesale that they buy from, they might be able to refund the order depending on their agreement. The best case for gun shops is to call around out of state stores and see if anyone wants to take a liquidated inventory of all their illegal guns and simply sell it at a significant loss. Originally Posted By dalle0001: Originally Posted By carmodyh: I understand that businesses are going to do what they are comfortable doing but, and I I say this being that I am not a lawyer, feel like the injunction is clearly statewide and that they aren’t open to any significant blow back? Or is it because they could be open to a lawsuit if a “AW” or magazine they sold were used in a high profile crime? Just curious. My local FFL NOVA Armory is transferring again no issues I would say it depends on what they're hesitant about... If they're hesitant about transferring something that is shipped to them to a person, then yes, they are probably worried about the legality of it and if they will get into any sort of trouble, especially if the injunction gets overturned or if the AG sets a lawsuit against them and raid the place. If they are hesitant about restocking or ordering or putting things on consignment, then they are probably worried about getting stuck in limbo. Let's say Joe went in there to sell his AW and somehow the injunction gets overturned then they need to transfer it back to Joe but they can't because it's against the law then. But in cases where they have third party wholesale that they buy from, they might be able to refund the order depending on their agreement. The best case for gun shops is to call around out of state stores and see if anyone wants to take a liquidated inventory of all their illegal guns and simply sell it at a significant loss. Great explanation. These are my thoughts regarding stocking inventory for sure. I just figured transfers would be an easier revenue stream to keep open with minimal risk to the FFL. I feel like you’d really have to piss off the AG to start pushing LE resources to hem up an FFL though. |
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Originally Posted By glock23carry: Our founding fathers were willing to die for their cause, as was Justice Thomas. Now we’re not even willing to be sued. Alas. Sic Semper Tyrannis indeed. I’m no hero either. I've thought similar things before. Hell, our FF started a violent rebellion over laws they didn't agree with.... We suck. |
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Originally Posted By carmodyh: Great explanation. These are my thoughts regarding stocking inventory for sure. I just figured transfers would be an easier revenue stream to keep open with minimal risk to the FFL. I feel like you’d really have to piss off the AG to start pushing LE resources to hem up an FFL though. From what I recall the AG was hoping to consolidate the filings and put it in front of a friendly judge who would uphold it. Since that didn't work for him, it appears his tactic is trying to delay it by asking to hold everything until the SCOTUS ruling comes back for the national cases. I guess that is good news to FFLs because it means the AG mostly gave up currently on enforcing/upholding the AWB. According to the recent VCLD most of the FFLs are restocking. At least for RIGHT now but I imagine a lot of FFLs are probably thinking people aren't in the panic state anymore so there's a good chance their inventory will just go as it did prior to the mass hysteria. Which I imagine will be different for FFLs depending on the area and their customer base. I think the smart thing to do right now, at least if I was FFL was to take a low risk approach in case it flips and you're stuck with inventory you can't remove easily. |
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i said this in the thread about companies still supporting Virginia Greentop is owned by an investment group whose majority owner is a real estate developer and a fishing enthusiast. (not a gun guy) They have clearly made the strategic and political decision that remaining on the good side of their masters in richmond is more valuable than siding with gun owners. In the long term they believe it will be more financially rewarding to appease democrats than gun owners I am happy to help them test their hypothesis. They will never get another dollar from me. |
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Originally Posted By trio: i said this in the thread about companies still supporting Virginia Greentop is owned by an investment group whose majority owner is a real estate developer and a fishing enthusiast. (not a gun guy) They have clearly made the strategic and political decision that remaining on the good side of their masters in richmond is more valuable than siding with gun owners. In the long term they believe it will be more financially rewarding to appease democrats than gun owners I am happy to help them test their hypothesis. They will never get another dollar from me. If I recall correctly, that same group are the ones who ran Circuit City into the ground.... |
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Looks like distributors were or are hesitant to resupply VA gun shops. I wonder if its just a distributor, or if Magpul is directly involved and preventing VA shipments of standard cap pmags... Attached File |
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Originally Posted By dalle0001: I think PSA is shipping magazines to Virginia. But does anyone know if any other site are shipping as well? I plan to hit some shops today to see what they have in stock but I don't know. |
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Originally Posted By dmtsc: Has anyone tried or know about a transferable Machinegun being approved after the stay started on 7/21? If anyone hears about one and knows 100% please post. I’m thinking about buying one. I'll note than in addition to ATF approval, you also have to register it with the Virginia State Police as soon as you acquire it. I would call the VSP and ask if they are accepting registrations before making a purchase. |
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Originally Posted By MikeDeltaFoxtrot: I'll note than in addition to ATF approval, you also have to register it with the Virginia State Police as soon as you acquire it. I would call the VSP and ask if they are accepting registrations before making a purchase. |
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Originally Posted By MikeDeltaFoxtrot: I'll note than in addition to ATF approval, you also have to register it with the Virginia State Police as soon as you acquire it. I would call the VSP and ask if they are accepting registrations before making a purchase. Serious question- why wouldn’t they? The definition of an assault firearm is a semi-auto with the offending features. “Machine gun” does not appear in the bill. Edited to add- beaten by 4 minutes. lol. |
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Originally Posted By HansohnBrothers: I didn't think machine guns are in scope. The law only says semi-auto. Originally Posted By HansohnBrothers: Originally Posted By MikeDeltaFoxtrot: I'll note than in addition to ATF approval, you also have to register it with the Virginia State Police as soon as you acquire it. I would call the VSP and ask if they are accepting registrations before making a purchase. It is unclear. Most MG's also have a semi-auto setting on the selector. So, arguably, they can be said to fall within the definition of "assault firearm" if they have the offending features. While I would prefer the law be interpreted to exclude transferable MGs, it is far from clear that it will be. And unless someone wants to pay to litigate it, the interpretation of the VSP may be the reality. There is also the practical point that if you don't already have mags for the MG you want, you could find yourself with a gun and no mags. |
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Originally Posted By MikeDeltaFoxtrot: It is unclear. Most MG's also have a semi-auto setting on the selector. So, arguably, they can be said to fall within the definition of "assault firearm" if they have the offending features. While I would prefer the law be interpreted to exclude transferable MGs, it is far from clear that it will be. And unless someone wants to pay to litigate it, the interpretation of the VSP may be the reality. There is also the practical point that if you don't already have mags for the MG you want, you could find yourself with a gun and no mags. There is a statewide injunction against enforcement of the AWB. The law is not in effect so how could it affect machine guns or magazines for them? Am I missing something? |
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Originally Posted By Gotterdammerung: There is a statewide injunction against enforcement of the AWB. The law is not in effect so how could it affect machine guns or magazines for them? Am I missing something? Yes. First, neither temporary injunction is as broad as advertised on the Internet. Read the actual orders carefully. Second, precluding the State Police from enforcing a ban may or may not require the to register the MG. Third, it is not clear what the status of firearms and magazines acquired during the pendency of the litigation will be if we ultimately lose the litigation. There is a very reasonable argument that they will be contraband. Don't get your legal advice from the Internet. Consult a lawyer licensed to practice in Virginia who is knowledgeable about these matters. |
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Originally Posted By MikeDeltaFoxtrot: Yes. First, neither temporary injunction is as broad as advertised on the Internet. Read the actual orders carefully. Second, precluding the State Police from enforcing a ban may or may not require the to register the MG. Third, it is not clear what the status of firearms and magazines acquired during the pendency of the litigation will be if we ultimately lose the litigation. There is a very reasonable argument that they will be contraband. Don't get your legal advice from the Internet. Consult a lawyer licensed to practice in Virginia who is knowledgeable about these matters. Originally Posted By MikeDeltaFoxtrot: Originally Posted By Gotterdammerung: There is a statewide injunction against enforcement of the AWB. The law is not in effect so how could it affect machine guns or magazines for them? Am I missing something? Yes. First, neither temporary injunction is as broad as advertised on the Internet. Read the actual orders carefully. Second, precluding the State Police from enforcing a ban may or may not require the to register the MG. Third, it is not clear what the status of firearms and magazines acquired during the pendency of the litigation will be if we ultimately lose the litigation. There is a very reasonable argument that they will be contraband. Don't get your legal advice from the Internet. Consult a lawyer licensed to practice in Virginia who is knowledgeable about these matters. Would you be able to reference or elaborate on why they would be contraband? I don’t understand why this would be the case. Not a pointed question I’d just like to read more where I can. Thanks! |
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