Posted: 3/4/2012 7:20:11 PM EDT
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is this guy really a VBPD officer? this happened just up the road from where i live and since i was a vol then went paid i know everyone involved. VBPD officer stabbs and shoots at fire/EMS providers. [red]Title Edit...VA-gunnut/red] |
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Wow. Knocked senseless? was checked over by EMS, was fine and refused treatment. the EMS crew actually returned to station and left the FD on scene. they were waiting for VSP to show up to do the accident report. i know it was almost 7am but im wondering if alcohol or drugs were playing a part and when he was told he couldnt leave till VSP arrived he went off. not talked to the guys involved yet but will find out tomorrow what the story was. |
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That would be nightmarish. Fire and EMS are constantly putting themselves in sketchy situations where I would fully expect something like this to happen, but at a traffic crash with an officer? Wild. we dont hang our asses out there that much. from the bits i am hearing guy just went the fuck off for no reason. but as i posted above, i will get the story from the scene tomorrow. |
| Holy shnikies is right. I remember a long time ago when I was volunteer FD, a guy in my company said he used to ride with a guy that always carried a gun even under his turnout coat (we won't get into cook-off temps, safety issues, etc, this was almost 20 years ago, and I didn't know the dude that carried). I remember thinking, albeit somewhat naively, "but I'm FD, I'd be there to help." Interesting how time and experience will change that line of thinking. |
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wow.... that is crazy. This is the way I am seeing it.If the state of mind was caused by the accident(concussion or some other blunt trauma) then, he should get a free pass as it would be a medical condition. If it was drugs, alcohol or just his personality, strip his badge, fire him and prosecute him. Since the FD struck him in the head, I am not sure if we will ever be able to rule out trauma from the accident as to why this guy did this.
I am glad the firefighters are doing well and were not seriously injured. |
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wow.... that is crazy. This is the way I am seeing it.If the state of mind was caused by the accident(concussion or some other blunt trauma) then, he should get a free pass as it would be a medical condition. If it was drugs, alcohol or just his personality, strip his badge, fire him and prosecute him. Since the FD struck him in the head, I am not sure if we will ever be able to rule out trauma from the accident as to why this guy did this. I am glad the firefighters are doing well and were not seriously injured. home slice was checked by EMS, no injuries noted. pt was alert, awake, and orientated to place, time and event and knew what had happened and refused treatment/transport. the assault didnt happen till 20 min later after he was told he couldnt leave till VSP got there. |
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just found out, home slice has been charged.
The warrants charge Bradley Colas, 23, with two counts of malicious wounding of an emergency medical care provider, according to a state police news release.
and a little FYI assaulting a fire/ems provider carries the same penalties as assaulting an officer. |
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Wow. Knocked senseless? was checked over by EMS, was fine and refused treatment. the EMS crew actually returned to station and left the FD on scene. they were waiting for VSP to show up to do the accident report. i know it was almost 7am but im wondering if alcohol or drugs were playing a part and when he was told he couldnt leave till VSP arrived he went off. not talked to the guys involved yet but will find out tomorrow what the story was. How does that work? Honestly, can Fire Fighters "hold" you? I assume his car was toast, but who or what is to prevent him from leaving? At that point are they attempting a citizen's arrest? |
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Wow. Knocked senseless? was checked over by EMS, was fine and refused treatment. the EMS crew actually returned to station and left the FD on scene. they were waiting for VSP to show up to do the accident report. i know it was almost 7am but im wondering if alcohol or drugs were playing a part and when he was told he couldnt leave till VSP arrived he went off. not talked to the guys involved yet but will find out tomorrow what the story was. How does that work? Honestly, can Fire Fighters "hold" you? I assume his car was toast, but who or what is to prevent him from leaving? At that point are they attempting a citizen's arrest? well, its not that he cant leave. of course that will net you a "leaving the scene" charge as well. we cant prevent you from leaving but we recommend that you dont leave. now, not to knock anyone in the service, i have seen people try and stop someone from leaving the scene which i guess they dont realize that by touching the person can result in a charge against them. i remember one accident where a new EMT along with some firefighters were trying to force a guy on to a backboard. they started going off about the guy being combative and needing to be on a board. i looked at all of them and advised them that unless they wanted an assault and battery charge to live the guy alone. the guy didnt want to be on a board and his only complaint was he hit his knee on the dash. sometimes you just cant fix stupid. |
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This almost sounds like a PTSD incident. Is he ex-mil? I would like to find if the guy had been knocked out cold and comes to with people (FD/EMS) reaching all over him and whigs out?
No matter what, I suspect his "probationary" position with VBPD is coming to a rapid close. **** please, no one take this as any type of slight against ex or active duty .mil folks as it is in no way meant to be **** |
| some dept's have members that are LEOS but we as fire/ems dont have those powers. now, does that mean we wont kick your ass and detain you if something happens, hell no. if you start to walk away from a scene there isnt much we can do other than follow but if you take a swing at one of us, its ON. before a couple of years ago if you assaulted a fire/ems provider is was nothing more than an assault charge just like if you got in a bar fight. Va changed the law that now assaulting one of use is just like assaulting a police officer and carries more of a penalty. |
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latest update is dude was smoking "bath salts". that would explain a lot. I had to look that up to see what that means. VSP was involved in a high speed chase with a guy high on bath salts, he was running 130mph+ then wrecked on a lazy bend on rt 13 here on the eastern shore. i havent had to deal with anyone on it but this type of actions seem to be the norm for people who smoke it. if im not mistaken it has been banned in Va. was an article on it some time last year i believe. |
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new yorker Seems like a lot of VBPD officers are from NY and other points up north. I also find it interesting that about 20 years ago they changed the uniforms from grey with a stetson hat to dark blue and northern style hat. yeah but so did another local PD around the early 90s, and they sure as heck dont have a lot of northerners. and CPD just changed to all LAPD blue as well last year. |
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latest update is dude was smoking "bath salts". that would explain a lot. Post your source. one of the troopers that were there at the hospital. http://hamptonroads.com/2012/03/attorney-officer-reacted-medicine-e-shore-attack Believe that excuse? |
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latest update is dude was smoking "bath salts". that would explain a lot. Post your source. one of the troopers that were there at the hospital. http://hamptonroads.com/2012/03/attorney-officer-reacted-medicine-e-shore-attack Believe that excuse? just saw that. i believe that as far as i can through him. of course the state is still waiting for the full blood screen to come back. that will take about 10-14 days. look up the so called extreme side effects they are claiming and the side effects of "bath salts". hmmmmm, looks almost like a carbon copy. |
| FYI, less than 2% of people taking Biaxin experience any of the severe side effects where 100% of users of bath salts have them. you do the math. im not saying he was using BS since i wasnt there but if it quacks like a duck and walks like a duck it aint a horse. |
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latest update is dude was smoking "bath salts". that would explain a lot. Post your source. one of the troopers that were there at the hospital. http://hamptonroads.com/2012/03/attorney-officer-reacted-medicine-e-shore-attack Believe that excuse? Lets see. Which one of these doesn't belong?: 1. A young man who has apparently dedicated himself to police work. 2. Straight A student 3. No history of drug or alcohol abuse 4. Decides to take bath salts. Additionally: "So far, however, doctors evaluating Colas have found nothing wrong with him, Stallings said. There were no narcotics in his system at the time of the accident, he said." Sometimes weird shit happens. |
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latest update is dude was smoking "bath salts". that would explain a lot. Post your source. one of the troopers that were there at the hospital. http://hamptonroads.com/2012/03/attorney-officer-reacted-medicine-e-shore-attack Believe that excuse? Lets see. Which one of these doesn't belong?: 1. A young man who has apparently dedicated himself to police work. 2. Straight A student 3. No history of drug or alcohol abuse 4. Decides to take bath salts. Additionally: "So far, however, doctors evaluating Colas have found nothing wrong with him, Stallings said. There were no narcotics in his system at the time of the accident, he said." Sometimes weird shit happens. bath salts is a growing problem and they do not show up on a standard drug screen. so by your thinking no cop has ever had a drug or alcohol problem and getting good grades means you must be a good guy. one of the reasons people use bath salts is because it doesnt show up in a standard test, and its "legal" for now. now, you do the math, these are the symptoms of bath salts chest pains, increased blood pressure, increased heart rate, agitation, hallucinations, extreme paranoia, and delusions.
and these are the "reactions to biaxin that happen in LESS THAN 2%" fast/irregular heartbeat, mental/mood changes, confusion, hallucinations, tightness in the chest(IE chest pain) that doesnt include the symptoms that didnt match.
his signs and symptoms matched bath salts WAY more than the "reaction" to Biaxin according to testimony the EMS provider is giving at the bail hearing this morning. |
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bond has been denied, now the defense is claiming not only the "severe allergic reaction" but now they have said he was suffering from insomnia. guess the lawyer is going to toss everything against the wall and see what sticks.
http://www.wavy.com/dpp/news/local_news/va_beach/accused-vb-officer-denied-bond?=asd |
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I may be jaded, but I'm going with the bath salts crew on this one. Huge, and growing problem, and I'll take the one in fifty chance that I'm wrong here.
If it was a reaction, hopefully he gets his shit in order and finds some new work, cuz no one else will work with him. If it was bath salts, put his ass in prison. |