Posted: 8/6/2010 3:59:35 AM EDT
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Hello all,
I work for an unnamed company in the Richmond area. The company as a whole is based out of Chicago (i know, great). I have my concealed permit and carry my Glock 26 everywhere I go, including the office parking lot. It's left in my car during work hours as to not create issues. My company does not have a "NO GUN" policy. However I was contacted yesterday by corporate HR because someone saw that I carry one in my car. He asked that I not carry firearms onto company property. We share a building with 3 other companies and the parking lot is completely unmarked and shared. What are your thoughts on this. He said, he didn't want to wake up and see that the Richmond branch had a shooting spree...WTF!!?? Now i can't stop anyone from doing that and if it were to happen they will have lawsuits like crazy from the family members of CCW holders that were killed because they couldn't protect themselves. /rant |
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Sounds like an opsec fail, but I'll bite. You have two choices: 1: Comply, and stop carrying to work. 2: Ignore management's request. See, VA is a 'right to work' state, which means that your employer can shitcan you for any reason (or no reason at all) and you don't really have any recourse. Now, if you want to split hairs you could start asking questions like "How do you figure that My Car is Company Property?" and "How does a personal choice about how I exercise my God-given rights on my own time have anything to do with Company X?" but you're not going to make any friends there. The way the economy is, you can't really just go down the street and get a new job, so I'd focus on your financial needs first, and maaaaaybe your 2A rights second. I mean, your moral justification to carry a gun isn't much good if you have to sell your glock to pay for food on the table. Just my $.02 |
| Did the HR person send you a formal notice or point to a specific company policy? Was it just a "chat?" Is there a possibility of street or off-premises parking? Its a shame that the VA bill died that would allow one to have weapons in the car in the parking lot, regardless of the company policy. |
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Sounds like an opsec fail, but I'll bite. You have two choices: 1: Comply, and stop carrying to work. 2: Ignore management's request. See, VA is a 'right to work' state, which means that your employer can shitcan you for any reason (or no reason at all) and you don't really have any recourse. Now, if you want to split hairs you could start asking questions like "How do you figure that My Car is Company Property?" and "How does a personal choice about how I exercise my God-given rights on my own time have anything to do with Company X?" but you're not going to make any friends there. The way the economy is, you can't really just go down the street and get a new job, so I'd focus on your financial needs first, and maaaaaybe your 2A rights second. I mean, your moral justification to carry a gun isn't much good if you have to sell your glock to pay for food on the table. Just my $.02 Just a chat on the phone. I notified him that I have a CCW and he didn't know what to say. He had no idea that they existed. Regardless we have 120 branches nationwide with no company policy stating that we cannot have firearms on the property. On a side note, getting a new job would be fairly easy for me so that may be my next step. |
| Concealed means concealed. If the Glock 26 is too difficult to ccw, consider something like a Ruger LCP, at least while at work. Sounds like someone saw you, or overheard a conversation that you had. Unfortunately, you probably need to start looking for a new job, once you are on the skyline in an anti-gun workplace. |
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Concealed means concealed. If the Glock 26 is too difficult to ccw, consider something like a Ruger LCP, at least while at work. Sounds like someone saw you, or overheard a conversation that you had. Unfortunately, you probably need to start looking for a new job, once you are on the skyline in an anti-gun workplace. Turns out it was someone that was fired on Tuesday. He called HR and told them that a few of us (including the Branch Manager) had permits and kept guns in our cars. I always considered the guy a friend, even hunted with him a few times. He carries as well. Dick. |
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Concealed means concealed. If the Glock 26 is too difficult to ccw, consider something like a Ruger LCP, at least while at work. Sounds like someone saw you, or overheard a conversation that you had. Unfortunately, you probably need to start looking for a new job, once you are on the skyline in an anti-gun workplace. Turns out it was someone that was fired on Tuesday. He called HR and told them that a few of us (including the Branch Manager) had permits and kept guns in our cars. I always considered the guy a friend, even hunted with him a few times. He carries as well. Dick. Another reason to keep your carry status private. Never know when a supposed friendly at work will stab you in the back. |