Posted: 8/6/2009 9:12:36 PM EDT
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Ok so tonight about 12:30 am . I hear talking outside my house. I get up and look outside to see a group of guys pissing in the yards. I open my window and tell them to move on. The one guy (young kid maybe 18) lives a few houses down from me. He starts over to my house and into my yard waving at me. I'm telling I'm not your friend and he keeps advancing laughing drunk off his ass.
It wasn't till I ducked out of the window and came back with an old friend and they knew I meant business and to get out of my yard and head on down the road. These guys have me ticked off its like this generation has no respect in them at all. They play loud music half night in the cars and drive around all night long. I wish I had a job that would let me pay for that much gas and not worry about it. I have to deal with gang members, vandals and now people pissing all over the place. Yeah I could have called the cops and hear the same old thing your calling again and yeah we will have someone out there but what good does that do they don't ever find anyone and they always show up a few hours later. Sorry had to rant a bit. This used to be a good place to live but........... |
| Where do you live? Let me guess somewhere in Northern Virginia. I moved further west from NOVA in 2004 and have never looked back. I increased my commute by 30 minutes, but to me it is worth it. My wife and kids have a safe place where they can live and grow up now. I know all my neighbors. I can't stand what Northern Virginia has become. The traffic, illegal immigrants, gangs, MS13, crime, vandalism, and punk kids. What once was a very nice area to live and have a family is now just like a suburb of New York of New Jersey. Of course, that's what happens when you have a mass influx of people over the last 10 years. |
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Frustration and lack of respect understood; however you made a few errors in judgment.
1) You demonstrated to neighbor boy and his pal that you have "old friends" who reside at the house. Being young kids you know they're going to be bragging to their buddies about how this old guy a few houses down pulled out an "old friend" and I’m sure embellish the story to say you had the "old friend" "shout a few times" at them. Now you have a handful of ragamuffin kids who know you keep "old friends" in the house and may get the bravado to want to visit your "old friends" when you're not at home. 2) Depending on how much mommy and daddy love their little punks; you might get a visit in the next few days from the local constabulary regarding a violation of brandishing laws. § 18.2-282 A. It shall be unlawful for any person to point, hold or brandish any firearm or any air or gas operated weapon or any object similar in appearance, whether capable of being fired or not, in such manner as to reasonably induce fear in the mind of another or hold a firearm or any air or gas operated weapon in a public place in such a manner as to reasonably induce fear in the mind of another of being shot or injured. However, this section shall not apply to any person engaged in excusable or justifiable self-defense. Persons violating the provisions of this section shall be guilty of a Class 1 misdemeanor Unless you were in fear for your life over the "old friend" THEY were holding when you saw them; what you did was (based upon your description) a violation of this law. Not saying that I disagree with what you did, punk kids sound like they had it coming, just that you have to have a bit of OPSEC in such things or risk having a conversation with Johnny Law. |
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Brandishing the weapon is not a good call in this case. You can not lawfully brandish a weapon, or use deadly force to protect property, especially when that "protection" is to keep someone from watering one of your bushes. Their behavior is grossly unacceptable, but it is far from the level of justifying that escalation of force.
I would have been inclined to walk outside (carrying, but not brandishing) and lit them up with both a decently powerful flashlight, and a little verbal correction. For an kid living at home, a call to the folks may be appropriate as well. These kids may be correctible, which is what you really want if you have a gang problem nearby, you want a few young folks on your side. Don't give up on 'em, just because they are young and stupid, rather see if you can help guide them towards being young and not-as-stupid. |
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I agree with the last poster. The never pull it out unless you plan to use it motto certainly applies here.
In this situation a call to the police saying some YUTES (My cousin Vinny) were witnessed looking in cars, and urinating on private property would most likely get a visit from the local policeman before a couple hours. Never put yourself in the spot where you could be leaving in cuffs rather than the knuckleheads. I agree as well that letting ANYONE know you have firearms in the house puts yourself at a disadvantage if they decide to run up on you. Now they know to come prepared or just come take yours when you are not around. Dogs piss in yards all the time. Gotta deal with it or make a formal complaint at the magistrate. Is what it is. |
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Yeah you guys are right I guess I had a miss judgment in my action but man Im sick and tired of the crap. They know the house has guns as they seem then going in and out of the house when I go to the range. I have alarms and cameras along with other procations taken for my guns.
I lived threw one attack of 15 or more (MS-13) out front of my house and trying to break in and I guess when they came in my yard I felt like I needed to be ready to use force if it came to that. We as a family dont look at our home the same now. I did have a brain fart in judgment and I agree. |
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I don't think anyone here blames you for being pissed. I'll always remember the first time I went for a walk and saw MS-13 graffitti near our place. I hope you all saw the NATGEO piece on MS in NOVA. It was quite the eye-opener.
No I think I was wrong in doing that but just fed up with whats going on. We have Crips and MS-13 in and around us and bloods a few blocks away. The neighbors turn a blind eye to what goes on. They feel like they are elite and like how high the taxas are on their homes but they cant sell them for that not even in a good market. We tried to sell our house and where told everything around us to get into the neighbor hood would keep the house from selling. |
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I don't think anyone here blames you for being pissed. I'll always remember the first time I went for a walk and saw MS-13 graffitti near our place. I hope you all saw the NATGEO piece on MS in NOVA. It was quite the eye-opener.
No I think I was wrong in doing that but just fed up with whats going on. We have Crips and MS-13 in and around us and bloods a few blocks away. The neighbors turn a blind eye to what goes on. They feel like they are elite and like how high the taxas are on their homes but they cant sell them for that not even in a good market. We tried to sell our house and where told everything around us to get into the neighbor hood would keep the house from selling. What? G |
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I like a super hot spot light, something portable from the boat store. I also like video cameras and taking the evidence to the kid's parents and reminding them he will end up in jail. I wouldn't brandish for the above reasons. I do have security cameras and they are on them. |
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We have Crips and MS-13 in and around us and bloods a few blocks away. In Virginia?!? Holy crap, I can't imagine. NOVA has massive amounts of illegals that came here to build all the houses from the boom. A lot of them from what I see have been foreclosed on now. Thankfully down this far, I have not seen much of it. Some of the northern counties have a very pro-illegal stance... putting up day laborer shelters etc. |
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Harrisonburg area and it used to be a nice area but not anymore. We have a neighborhood watch and I tell you they have their hands full but seem to get no where really. I think about six months maybe less then that, I had a car out in front of my house with a guy and a girl in it. I thought ok they are waiting on the neighbor boy or girl next door but then I see her head go down. I'm like no way and I caught off guard a bit and I laugh and then my little cousin who was staying with us at the time says hey are they doing.......................
I'm just kind of fed up that neighbors in my area wont do anything and the ones that are are just getting swamped or more hassles then what its worth. We get told that when looking at our house for sale they don't feel safe in this area. I've been woke up to rocks hitting the doors and other things. I guess sometimes I feel like we need to take back our city and our neighborhood. I'm sick of my gerneration raising the up and coming generation of thugs. I needed something in my life or wanted I worked to get not steel it. I did do a bone head thing and well it was dumb. |
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Olyarmsfan
I think you're missing the real reason of the trouble here. Those thugs are arfcomer's from the AR15 side and they behave that way because you're a Olyarmsfan. Oly's get no respect here. I like my Oly too. My favorite AR15. And mentioning that you like them will get the mob howling every time. Brandishing it as you did will just bring more of them. The only solution is to find out which AR is the one the cool guys are using right now and wave that at them and then they'll go away. 
Just feel glad that you didn't wave a Vulcan Hesse at them. They'd have over-run your property by now. 
Sorry for your troubles on that Man. This seems to be happening in many areas run by Libs with no priority on enforcing the law. And when government and Police don't do their job, it leaves the citizens hanging. I do have to agree with the guys though that brandishing was the wrong thing to do. That can land you in jail. And with tough guy gangbanger wannabe's you are just "chest thumping" back at them and upping the ante for what they'll do next. In Va., don't ever pull out a firearm unless you're in fear of your life and plan to use it. This isn't Texas unfortunately. |
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Where do you live? Let me guess somewhere in Northern Virginia. I moved further west from NOVA in 2004 and have never looked back. I increased my commute by 30 minutes, but to me it is worth it. My wife and kids have a safe place where they can live and grow up now. I know all my neighbors. I can't stand what Northern Virginia has become. The traffic, illegal immigrants, gangs, MS13, crime, vandalism, and punk kids. What once was a very nice area to live and have a family is now just like a suburb of New York of New Jersey. Of course, that's what happens when you have a mass influx of people over the last 10 years. There its fixed, Jersey sucks! |