Posted: 12/19/2006 2:05:22 PM EDT
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OK, guys I have a question for ya'll. I am a 19 year old student, I go to school at VMI but live in Glen Allen, Virginia. I want to purchase an AR. I went to Greentop down in Ashland and they said I have to be 21 to purchase one. Is this true? I thought I could be 18? I went to the NRA website to read what they said there and I didnt see anything about that. Could someone please tell me if this is true or not? Thank you for you help. Please set me straight. -cchccrowder |
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To get the Rock River M4gery earlier this month, I needed my: unexpired, valid Driver's License Voter Registration Card and an $11 Hunting License from Wal-Mart due to misplaced Vehicle Registration Card There are many documents to choose from, but best I could tell the only requirement was that you had to have 3 documents with the same mailing address. BTW good luck and safe shooting |
You only needed your DL and voter's reg card, even for the "assault weapon". There is no requirement for three ID's, though many dealers erroneously think so. You only have to prove citizenship status, which the voter card does, and two IDs with your address, which the DL and voter card do. One ID needs to be a photo-ID issued by the govt. If you used something to prove your citizenship status that didn't have your address, like Birth certificate, then you'd still need two other ID's with your address. It's two different things you're dealing with, but there is no minimum number of ID's other than "two". It might take more to prove citizenship status, but it doesn't have to if you use the right combination. You didn't need the hunting license at all. The Voter card and DL provide both the two ID's with address, and the proof of citizenship status. If you used your birth cert as the proof of citizenship status, then you'd need a thrid ID with an address on it. Passport and voter card can double as both proof of citizenship status, and establish residency. The text of the law is below: "To establish personal identification and residence in Virginia for purposes of this section, a dealer must require any prospective purchaser to present one photo-identification form issued by a governmental agency of the Commonwealth or by the United States Department of Defense, and other documentation of residence. Except where the photo-identification was issued by the United States Department of Defense, the other documentation of residence shall show an address identical to that shown on the photo-identification form, such as evidence of currently paid personal property tax or real estate tax, or a current (a) lease, (b) utility or telephone bill, (c) voter registration card, (d) bank check, (e) passport, (f) automobile registration, or (g) hunting or fishing license; other current identification allowed as evidence of residency by Part 178.124 of Title 27 of the Code of Federal Regulations and ATF Ruling 2001-5; or other documentation of residence determined to be acceptable by the Department of Criminal Justice Services, that corroborates that the prospective purchaser currently resides in Virginia. " "In addition, no dealer shall sell, rent, trade or transfer from his inventory any assault firearm to any person who is not a citizen of the United States or who is not a person lawfully admitted for permanent residence. To establish citizenship or lawful admission for a permanent residence for purposes of purchasing an assault firearm, a dealer shall require a prospective purchaser to present a certified birth certificate or a certificate of birth abroad issued by the United States State Department, a certificate of citizenship or a certificate of naturalization issued by the United States Citizenship and Immigration Services, an unexpired U.S. passport, a United States citizen identification card, a current voter registration card, a current selective service registration card, or an immigrant visa or other documentation of status as a person lawfully admitted for permanent residence issued by the United States Citizenship and Immigration Services. |
| Don't feel bad, they told me the same thing when I was 18,(back in 83). They also told me that the only way I was going to get one at that time was to either be in the military or LEO. Screw them, I went out the next weekend and got one at the gunshow. The only thing I go into Greentop for now is to check out the prices on stuff and maybe get the odd fishing lure. Go by DeGoff's in Mechanicsville, great bunch of people to deal with, and they won't give you any stupid remarks like you get from some of the jerks at the other place. |
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Ross - thanks for clearing up and posting the Assault Weapon Purchase Restrictions (which most buyers and many dealers are unaware of). YES- it matters if its a "regular" gun like a boltgun - even a .50 or if its an "EBR" Here it is again: "In addition, no dealer shall sell, rent, trade or transfer from his inventory any assault firearm to any person who is not a citizen of the United States or who is not a person lawfully admitted for permanent residence. To establish citizenship or lawful admission for a permanent residence for purposes of purchasing an assault firearm, a dealer shall require a prospective purchaser to present a certified birth certificate or a certificate of birth abroad issued by the United States State Department, a certificate of citizenship or a certificate of naturalization issued by the United States Citizenship and Immigration Services, an unexpired U.S. passport, a United States citizen identification card, a current voter registration card, a current selective service registration card, or an immigrant visa or other documentation of status as a person lawfully admitted for permanent residence issued by the United States Citizenship and Immigration Services. |
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Go to Degoff's in Mechanicsville.... Greentop makes their own rules...they also don't sell AKs that are less than $1200... You CAN buy a rifle at 18 in VA. fred PS..i bought a BushMaster from GT and they never asked me for a Birth certificate....I had my voter registration card , CCW permit and Va DL... |
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Ross, Wow thanks for the education. I did point out to the dealer that I got my Bushmaster with only 2 forms of ID at the Roanoke gunshow. Which he replied that " this aint no gunshow! " So I jumped through the hoop he put before me and drove a handful of blocks away to Wal-mart for the HL. After I paid for it all and had everything in my posession, I pointed out that getting the HL involved no verification at all ( may be due to clerk overwhelmed with customers ) and therefore was pointless in verification of my status. |
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Alot of times it's easier just to jump through the hoop. You got a hunting license out of the experience as well. The VA assault weapon definition is different than the old AWB's definition as well. For VA it has to be a centerfire, semi auto pistol or rifle. It has to either have a folding stock, designed by the manufacturer to take a silencer, or have a mag bigger than 20rounds. You can buy AK's all day long if they're fixed stock and have 20rd Hungarian mags and they wouldn't be "assault weapons". Likewise, a Bushmaster AR-15 with a ten or 20 rd mag is still not an "assault weapon". If that AK or AR has a 30rd mag though, it is now an assault weapon. Now if it's a folder, the mag doesn't matter. It's still an AW. So it's not an AW if it doesn't have: folder designed byt he manufacturer to take a silencer mag bigger than 20rds. If it has any of the above, then it's an AW. If it doesn't have any of the above, then it's not an AW. |
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You only need to be 18 for an "assault weapon", including in private sales. There are no extra forms of ID needed for purchasing an "assault weapon." You only need a driver's license, and some other form of ID that has the same name and address on it. It could be a vehicle registration card, insurance card, check, or bank statement... just something official. Unless you're trying to purchase full auto... |
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Section 18.2-308.2:2, Code of Virginia, provides that citizenship must be established prior to the sale or transfer of an assault weapon. To establish citizenship or lawful admission for a permanent residence a dealer must require a prospective purchaser to present one of the following forms of identification documentation: A certified birth certificate. A certificate of birth abroad issued by the United States State Department. A certificate of citizenship or a certificate of naturalization issued by the United States Citizenship and Immigration Services. An unexpired United States passport. A United States citizen identification card. A current voter registration card. A current selective service registration card. An immigrant visa or registration card. Other documentation of status as a person lawfully admitted for permanent residence issued by the United States Citizenship and Immigration Services.The Firearms Dealer Procedures Manual, VFTP Newsletters, Technical Bulletins, and Special Bulletins are available via our web site at www.virginiatrooper.org. Danny 
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I like the guys at Greentop's and do quite a bit of business there and am always treated extremely well. I also like the guys at DeGoff's and receive similar treatment from them. And from Dance's, Town Police Supply, etc It would seem that some are forgetting that our local shops have been being setup by out of state individuals with the express interest of putting them out of business via lawsuit. I'd shrug it off, maybe they got a bad vibe or something, I'm sure it's nothing personal. Spence |
| Bought an underfolder AK last week, they only wanted DL and car registration. Smile and act like you know what you are doing, it will take you a long way. Maybe Greentop was Christmas crazy. Personally I'd rather spend my money at a Mom and Pop operation, they are usually nicer and actually need your business. Of course you should be prepared to produce any required by law documentation. |