Posted: 10/1/2013 10:31:21 AM EDT
Hey everyone congrats on having your rights recognized. I was wondering if you are hearing anything about or believe that Illinois will have reciprocity with other states in the future? I have family in Illinois and would love to be able to carry when I visit, not that I don't trust you guys .
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Based on the "you recognise us, we'll recognise you" routine that a lot of states do, I'm going to be a naysayer. I don't think IL will be recognising much of anything as long as they think they can get their $300. The biggest hurdles to reciprocity are the live fire requirement, the classroom time and the fact that virtually none of our neighbors have similar standards. If the ISP makes good on the "substantially similar" via JCAR we may see some positive change. And FWIW, while I haven't done any hard research the trend in most states that implement CCW is to gradually reduce the training and costs once the perceived "threat" of legal guns is shown to be facetious. Of course this is Ill-annoys. |
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There are several states that simply recognize all permits; most of the states adjacent to IL are like that, to include IA, IN, MO, and KY.
There are other states that scrutinize the requirements for other states' permits, and make a value judgement as to whether to recognize that states' permits. Doesn't matter to those states if the other state offers reciprocal recognition or not. NV and NM for example have this approach. So an IL permit will be recognized in some other states. Since there is no provision in the law for full recognition of non-IL permits in IL, states like FL that require reciprocal recognition are going to be off the table for the time being. |
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There are several states that simply recognize all permits; most of the states adjacent to IL are like that, to include IA, IN, MO, and KY. There are other states that scrutinize the requirements for other states' permits, and make a value judgement as to whether to recognize that states' permits. Doesn't matter to those states if the other state offers reciprocal recognition or not. NV and NM for example have this approach. So an IL permit will be recognized in some other states. Since there is no provision in the law for full recognition of non-IL permits in IL, states like FL that require reciprocal recognition are going to be off the table for the time being. I beleive OP is asking if IL will recognise other states, not if other states will recognise IL.
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Try this website for reciprocity info http://handgunlaw.us/states/illinois.pdf Maybe Better click this |
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I beleive OP is asking if IL will recognise other states, not if other states will recognise IL. Quoted:
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There are several states that simply recognize all permits; most of the states adjacent to IL are like that, to include IA, IN, MO, and KY. There are other states that scrutinize the requirements for other states' permits, and make a value judgement as to whether to recognize that states' permits. Doesn't matter to those states if the other state offers reciprocal recognition or not. NV and NM for example have this approach. So an IL permit will be recognized in some other states. Since there is no provision in the law for full recognition of non-IL permits in IL, states like FL that require reciprocal recognition are going to be off the table for the time being. I beleive OP is asking if IL will recognise other states, not if other states will recognise IL. There's no recognition in the law for other states' permits. So, would require either a court decision (unlikely) or change in the law. Non-residents with other state permits do have limited "car carry" in IL already, but full carry (such as it is) will require an IL permit which is available to non-residents. |
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There's no recognition in the law for other states' permits. So, would require either a court decision (unlikely) or change in the law. Non-residents with other state permits do have limited "car carry" in IL already, but full carry (such as it is) will require an IL permit which is available to non-residents. If we lived in a state that didn't detest and fear its citizens so much, I might suggest that the ISP would allow some form of reciprocity under Administrative Rule... say at least with NJ, NYC or CA. But then again, we live in a state where much of the majority party still bristles at the fact that we dared air our dirty laundry in a federal court, much less that they were forced to actually <gasp> recognize our rights. Add in that the Chief Legal Counsel of the agency tasked with establishing and administering the FCCL who is also involved in the creation of the same Admin Rules that might grant us relief signed as a proponent of a bill that mirrors the language of an amendatory veto that was overridden by the whole of the legislature, and did so as a representative of the agency. My optimism for expediency, kindness (or even a plain adherence to the language of the Statute without creative F-U's) isn't that great. |
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I was looking at that map about concealed carry.
http://www.usacarry.com/concealed_carry_permit_reciprocity_maps.html It shows that Iowa is a Shall issue state for non-residents. Just about everyone accepts Iowa's permit, as good. If true, it would be something to check out. I have a friend in Iowa that teaches their CCW classes. I'm going to give him a call, to see what he says. |
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I was looking at that map about concealed carry. http://www.usacarry.com/concealed_carry_permit_reciprocity_maps.html It shows that Iowa is a Shall issue state for non-residents. Just about everyone accepts Iowa's permit, as good. If true, it would be something to check out. I have a friend in Iowa that teaches their CCW classes. I'm going to give him a call, to see what he says. Quoted:
I was looking at that map about concealed carry. http://www.usacarry.com/concealed_carry_permit_reciprocity_maps.html It shows that Iowa is a Shall issue state for non-residents. Just about everyone accepts Iowa's permit, as good. If true, it would be something to check out. I have a friend in Iowa that teaches their CCW classes. I'm going to give him a call, to see what he says. Incorrect after the change in their law. Non-Residents can apply but the criteria is very narrow to qualify.
Applications for permits to carry weapons will be considered by the Iowa Department of Public Safety as follows: Applicants must be nonresidents of Iowa or state employees whose need to go armed is based on their state employment. [ยง724.11] Justification 1. Professional permits to carry will only be issued to qualified applicants if their need to goarmed is employment based and is a critical element in the protection of life and property. 2. Nonprofessional permits to carry will only be issued to: a.nonresident correctional officers and other public officials, other than law enforcement officers, who are currently employed fulltime in the administration of criminal justice b.other nonresidents with a demonstrable viable threat to themselves or their family as verified by a law enforcement agency in the jurisdiction where the threat occurred http://www.handgunlaw.us/states/iowa.pdf QUESTION: I live in another state. Can I get an Iowa nonprofessional permit to carry weapons?
ANSWER: No. Iowa nonprofessional permits to carry weapons will only be issued to qualified Iowa residents. Nonresidents will still be able to apply for professional permits to carry weapons if needed for employment related reasons http://www.dps.state.ia.us/asd/weapons/SF2379_FAQ.pdf Would suggest Florida, Utah or Arizona for a non resident permit. There are only a few states that vary between them - see: http://www.handgunlaw.us/LicMaps/ccwmap.php |