Posted: 1/16/2012 12:15:29 PM EDT
il govt sux
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| I am actively looking for work in another state. I am with you, time to go. There are man other States that could give me a better return on my tax dollars. Between the taxes, tolls, and plain ol' BS I can do better else where and IL can suck it. My Wife was happy to move to her "home", and then after a couple of years asked why did we move to this state? |
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what new laws did 2012 bring to Illinois? My favorite is the brilliant law that now motorcycle riders can drive through red lights at their discretion. Each and every legislator that voted for this should be voted out. I understand many riders are great, respectful people. Most are dangerous, law breaking douchebags. I wonder how many people get to go to jail for vehicular homicide now for running over some jackass doing 90 through a red light on a Ninja? You also have to show ID now to buy Drano because some chick got acid thrown in her face. This state is a fucking disaster from your local municipality to the highest chambers of government.' I'd point out why again, but I don't want to ruin anyone's day before they head off to bingo. We are working to get the fuck out of here. As soon as my wife finishes her current degree, were gone. This shit hole doesn't deserve young, ambitious, driven people. |
Then just leave. It's doable.
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what new laws did 2012 bring to Illinois? My favorite is the brilliant law that now motorcycle riders can drive through red lights at their discretion. Each and every legislator that voted for this should be voted out. I understand many riders are great, respectful people. Most are dangerous, law breaking douchebags. I wonder how many people get to go to jail for vehicular homicide now for running over some jackass doing 90 through a red light on a Ninja? have you actually read that motorcycle/red light law? 3.5. In municipalities with less than 2,000,000 inhabitants, after stopping as required by paragraph 1 or 2 of this subsection, the driver of a motorcycle or bicycle, facing a steady red signal which fails to change to a green signal within a reasonable period of time because of a signal malfunction or because the signal has failed to detect the arrival of the motorcycle or bicycle due to the vehicle's size or weight, shall have the right to proceed, after yielding the right of way to oncoming traffic facing a green signal, subject to the rules applicable after making a stop at a stop sign as required by Section 11-1204 of this Code. |
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what new laws did 2012 bring to Illinois? My favorite is the brilliant law that now motorcycle riders can drive through red lights at their discretion. Each and every legislator that voted for this should be voted out. I understand many riders are great, respectful people. Most are dangerous, law breaking douchebags. I wonder how many people get to go to jail for vehicular homicide now for running over some jackass doing 90 through a red light on a Ninja? have you actually read that motorcycle/red light law? 3.5. In municipalities with less than 2,000,000 inhabitants, after stopping as required by paragraph 1 or 2 of this subsection, the driver of a motorcycle or bicycle, facing a steady red signal which fails to change to a green signal within a reasonable period of time because of a signal malfunction or because the signal has failed to detect the arrival of the motorcycle or bicycle due to the vehicle's size or weight, shall have the right to proceed, after yielding the right of way to oncoming traffic facing a green signal, subject to the rules applicable after making a stop at a stop sign as required by Section 11-1204 of this Code. As a cop, you think this is a good idea? This is a horrible fucking idea and will also result in higher insurance rates in IL. You don't really believe people will interpret this as anything except the legal right to touch and go, do you? Awful law that should have never even been considered, period. |
| The motorcycle thing is an excellent law. It sucks having to roll up to a stop light in the middle of the night and having to wait 10+ mins for a green light because the bike is too light to trigger the underground sensors. It's certainly quicker than making a right on red, uturn, then right on green. |
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The motorcycle thing is an excellent law. It sucks having to roll up to a stop light in the middle of the night and having to wait 10+ mins for a green light because the bike is too light to trigger the underground sensors. It's certainly quicker than making a right on red, uturn, then right on green. I understand your point. Problem is, the ratio to good biker to bad biker is not in the favor of safety. My only hope is that LE is vigilant watching this because I guarantee you, the lime green Ninja crowd who ride shirtless wearing crocs, are going to abuse this and someone is going to get killed. I trust the Harley guys but I'm sorry, the younger sport bike crowd, I do not. |
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what new laws did 2012 bring to Illinois? My favorite is the brilliant law that now motorcycle riders can drive through red lights at their discretion. Each and every legislator that voted for this should be voted out. I understand many riders are great, respectful people. Most are dangerous, law breaking douchebags. I wonder how many people get to go to jail for vehicular homicide now for running over some jackass doing 90 through a red light on a Ninja? have you actually read that motorcycle/red light law? 3.5. In municipalities with less than 2,000,000 inhabitants, after stopping as required by paragraph 1 or 2 of this subsection, the driver of a motorcycle or bicycle, facing a steady red signal which fails to change to a green signal within a reasonable period of time because of a signal malfunction or because the signal has failed to detect the arrival of the motorcycle or bicycle due to the vehicle's size or weight, shall have the right to proceed, after yielding the right of way to oncoming traffic facing a green signal, subject to the rules applicable after making a stop at a stop sign as required by Section 11-1204 of this Code. As a cop, you think this is a good idea? This is a horrible fucking idea and will also result in higher insurance rates in IL. You don't really believe people will interpret this as anything except the legal right to touch and go, do you? Awful law that should have never even been considered, period. It should have had an actual time limit set -say 2 minutes, that would actually be less likely to lead to idiots blowing red lights. And yes I think at its root it's a good idea. As written the only way I can see being able to enforce it is if the rider fails to come to a complete stop, or if he fails to yield before entering the intersection on red. Most of the sensors are not weight based, but magnetic. Some bikes apparently don't have enough ferrous metal to trip the sensors. |
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The motorcycle thing is an excellent law. It sucks having to roll up to a stop light in the middle of the night and having to wait 10+ mins for a green light because the bike is too light to trigger the underground sensors. It's certainly quicker than making a right on red, uturn, then right on green. I understand your point. Problem is, the ratio to good biker to bad biker is not in the favor of safety. My only hope is that LE is vigilant watching this because I guarantee you, the lime green Ninja crowd who ride shirtless wearing crocs, are going to abuse this and someone is going to get killed. I trust the Harley guys but I'm sorry, the younger sport bike crowd, I do not. I'd say there's a good percentage of idiots in both crowds. 
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Originally I was going to Eject across the rive in 4.5 Years. It looks Like I will be Able to hit the Double Eject in 15 months. I am getting a Double Divorce, This State and My Other 1/2 Congratulations! Everyone makes mistakes. But, there is no need to repeat them. Learn from your old life. Create a new life that avoid the legal pit falls of your old life. Never be a slave again. |
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what new laws did 2012 bring to Illinois? My favorite is the brilliant law that now motorcycle riders can drive through red lights at their discretion. Each and every legislator that voted for this should be voted out. I understand many riders are great, respectful people. Most are dangerous, law breaking douchebags. I wonder how many people get to go to jail for vehicular homicide now for running over some jackass doing 90 through a red light on a Ninja? You also have to show ID now to buy Drano because some chick got acid thrown in her face. This state is a fucking disaster from your local municipality to the highest chambers of government.' I'd point out why again, but I don't want to ruin anyone's day before they head off to bingo. We are working to get the fuck out of here. As soon as my wife finishes her current degree, were gone. This shit hole doesn't deserve young, ambitious, driven people. not to be a jerk.. but read the law on the motorcycle thing.. you sound like a fucking tard right now... 346.37(1)(c)4.4. Notwithstanding subd. 1., a motorcycle, moped, motor bicycle, or bicycle facing a red signal at an intersection may, after stopping as required under subd. 1. for not less than 45 seconds, proceed cautiously through the intersection before the signal turns green if no other vehicles are present at the intersection to actuate the signal and the operator of the motorcycle, moped, motor bicycle, or bicycle reasonably believes the signal is vehicle actuated. The operator of a motorcycle, moped, motor bicycle, or bicycle proceeding through a red signal under this subdivision shall yield the right-of-way to any vehicular traffic, pedestrian, bicyclist, or rider of an electric personal assistive mobility device proceeding through a green signal at the intersection or lawfully within a crosswalk or using the intersection. This subdivision does not affect any authorization for a bicyclist under subd. 2. also it is not law in cities above 2 million people....( like chicago) no where does it say you can just fly thru a red light.. seriously dont be a fuckin tard. as a motorcycle rider, an MSF graduate and soon to be employed by the MSF... dont spew your bullshit.. no one want to hear it. |
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I don't see how the motorcycle law is any different than the right-on-red law that was passed years ago. There were dire predictions about how people wouldn't stop at red lights and would pull out into traffic causing all kinds of mayhem. It simply didn't happen.
I don't see the harm in motorcyclists being allowed to proceed safely through an intersection if the weight or metal content of their vehicle won't trip the traffic signal devices but then I'm a proponent of freedom and personal responsibility in general. |
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what new laws did 2012 bring to Illinois? My favorite is the brilliant law that now motorcycle riders can drive through red lights at their discretion. Each and every legislator that voted for this should be voted out. I understand many riders are great, respectful people. Most are dangerous, law breaking douchebags. I wonder how many people get to go to jail for vehicular homicide now for running over some jackass doing 90 through a red light on a Ninja? You also have to show ID now to buy Drano because some chick got acid thrown in her face. This state is a fucking disaster from your local municipality to the highest chambers of government.' I'd point out why again, but I don't want to ruin anyone's day before they head off to bingo. We are working to get the fuck out of here. As soon as my wife finishes her current degree, were gone. This shit hole doesn't deserve young, ambitious, driven people. not to be a jerk.. but read the law on the motorcycle thing.. you sound like a fucking tard right now... 346.37(1)(c)4.4. Notwithstanding subd. 1., a motorcycle, moped, motor bicycle, or bicycle facing a red signal at an intersection may, after stopping as required under subd. 1. for not less than 45 seconds, proceed cautiously through the intersection before the signal turns green if no other vehicles are present at the intersection to actuate the signal and the operator of the motorcycle, moped, motor bicycle, or bicycle reasonably believes the signal is vehicle actuated. The operator of a motorcycle, moped, motor bicycle, or bicycle proceeding through a red signal under this subdivision shall yield the right-of-way to any vehicular traffic, pedestrian, bicyclist, or rider of an electric personal assistive mobility device proceeding through a green signal at the intersection or lawfully within a crosswalk or using the intersection. This subdivision does not affect any authorization for a bicyclist under subd. 2. also it is not law in cities above 2 million people....( like chicago) no where does it say you can just fly thru a red light.. seriously dont be a fuckin tard. as a motorcycle rider, an MSF graduate and soon to be employed by the MSF... dont spew your bullshit.. no one want to hear it. +1 Obviously this idiot didn't read the law nor does he ride motorcycles. |
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what new laws did 2012 bring to Illinois? My favorite is the brilliant law that now motorcycle riders can drive through red lights at their discretion. Each and every legislator that voted for this should be voted out. I understand many riders are great, respectful people. Most are dangerous, law breaking douchebags. I wonder how many people get to go to jail for vehicular homicide now for running over some jackass doing 90 through a red light on a Ninja? You also have to show ID now to buy Drano because some chick got acid thrown in her face. This state is a fucking disaster from your local municipality to the highest chambers of government.' I'd point out why again, but I don't want to ruin anyone's day before they head off to bingo. We are working to get the fuck out of here. As soon as my wife finishes her current degree, were gone. This shit hole doesn't deserve young, ambitious, driven people. not to be a jerk.. but read the law on the motorcycle thing.. you sound like a fucking tard right now... 346.37(1)(c)4.4. Notwithstanding subd. 1., a motorcycle, moped, motor bicycle, or bicycle facing a red signal at an intersection may, after stopping as required under subd. 1. for not less than 45 seconds, proceed cautiously through the intersection before the signal turns green if no other vehicles are present at the intersection to actuate the signal and the operator of the motorcycle, moped, motor bicycle, or bicycle reasonably believes the signal is vehicle actuated. The operator of a motorcycle, moped, motor bicycle, or bicycle proceeding through a red signal under this subdivision shall yield the right-of-way to any vehicular traffic, pedestrian, bicyclist, or rider of an electric personal assistive mobility device proceeding through a green signal at the intersection or lawfully within a crosswalk or using the intersection. This subdivision does not affect any authorization for a bicyclist under subd. 2. also it is not law in cities above 2 million people....( like chicago) no where does it say you can just fly thru a red light.. seriously dont be a fuckin tard. as a motorcycle rider, an MSF graduate and soon to be employed by the MSF... dont spew your bullshit.. no one want to hear it. That isn't the text of the law. Where did you find that? |
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what new laws did 2012 bring to Illinois? My favorite is the brilliant law that now motorcycle riders can drive through red lights at their discretion. Each and every legislator that voted for this should be voted out. I understand many riders are great, respectful people. Most are dangerous, law breaking douchebags. I wonder how many people get to go to jail for vehicular homicide now for running over some jackass doing 90 through a red light on a Ninja? have you actually read that motorcycle/red light law? 3.5. In municipalities with less than 2,000,000 inhabitants, after stopping as required by paragraph 1 or 2 of this subsection, the driver of a motorcycle or bicycle, facing a steady red signal which fails to change to a green signal within a reasonable period of time because of a signal malfunction or because the signal has failed to detect the arrival of the motorcycle or bicycle due to the vehicle's size or weight, shall have the right to proceed, after yielding the right of way to oncoming traffic facing a green signal, subject to the rules applicable after making a stop at a stop sign as required by Section 11-1204 of this Code. As a cop, you think this is a good idea? This is a horrible fucking idea and will also result in higher insurance rates in IL. You don't really believe people will interpret this as anything except the legal right to touch and go, do you? Awful law that should have never even been considered, period. It should have had an actual time limit set -say 2 minutes, that would actually be less likely to lead to idiots blowing red lights. And yes I think at its root it's a good idea. As written the only way I can see being able to enforce it is if the rider fails to come to a complete stop, or if he fails to yield before entering the intersection on red. Most of the sensors are not weight based, but magnetic. Some bikes apparently don't have enough ferrous metal to trip the sensors. I predict all kinds of headaches for LE and vehicular mayhem from this. The Patriot Guard guys? Sure, those types of guys will not abuse this law. You are an officer, I don't have to explain to you what happens when an 18 year old gets his first rice rocket. I think you're right on the 2 minute thing. I have always told riders, if you are in a hurry, take your car. |
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what new laws did 2012 bring to Illinois? My favorite is the brilliant law that now motorcycle riders can drive through red lights at their discretion. Each and every legislator that voted for this should be voted out. I understand many riders are great, respectful people. Most are dangerous, law breaking douchebags. I wonder how many people get to go to jail for vehicular homicide now for running over some jackass doing 90 through a red light on a Ninja? You also have to show ID now to buy Drano because some chick got acid thrown in her face. This state is a fucking disaster from your local municipality to the highest chambers of government.' I'd point out why again, but I don't want to ruin anyone's day before they head off to bingo. We are working to get the fuck out of here. As soon as my wife finishes her current degree, were gone. This shit hole doesn't deserve young, ambitious, driven people. not to be a jerk.. but read the law on the motorcycle thing.. you sound like a fucking tard right now... 346.37(1)(c)4.4. Notwithstanding subd. 1., a motorcycle, moped, motor bicycle, or bicycle facing a red signal at an intersection may, after stopping as required under subd. 1. for not less than 45 seconds, proceed cautiously through the intersection before the signal turns green if no other vehicles are present at the intersection to actuate the signal and the operator of the motorcycle, moped, motor bicycle, or bicycle reasonably believes the signal is vehicle actuated. The operator of a motorcycle, moped, motor bicycle, or bicycle proceeding through a red signal under this subdivision shall yield the right-of-way to any vehicular traffic, pedestrian, bicyclist, or rider of an electric personal assistive mobility device proceeding through a green signal at the intersection or lawfully within a crosswalk or using the intersection. This subdivision does not affect any authorization for a bicyclist under subd. 2. also it is not law in cities above 2 million people....( like chicago) no where does it say you can just fly thru a red light.. seriously dont be a fuckin tard. as a motorcycle rider, an MSF graduate and soon to be employed by the MSF... dont spew your bullshit.. no one want to hear it. +1 Obviously this idiot didn't read the law nor does he ride motorcycles. FYI...I am licensed to operate any motor vehicle in the state of Illinois. Cars, motorcycles, tractor trailers, etc. |
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I don't see how the motorcycle law is any different than the right-on-red law that was passed years ago. There were dire predictions about how people wouldn't stop at red lights and would pull out into traffic causing all kinds of mayhem. It simply didn't happen. I don't see the harm in motorcyclists being allowed to proceed safely through an intersection if the weight or metal content of their vehicle won't trip the traffic signal devices but then I'm a proponent of freedom and personal responsibility in general. Let's see how you feel when you are standing in a court room after you tag a motorcyclist with your station wagon after he rides through a red light. If you can't understand the difference between right on red and driving through a red light, well I don't know what to tell you. |
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I don't see how the motorcycle law is any different than the right-on-red law that was passed years ago. There were dire predictions about how people wouldn't stop at red lights and would pull out into traffic causing all kinds of mayhem. It simply didn't happen. I don't see the harm in motorcyclists being allowed to proceed safely through an intersection if the weight or metal content of their vehicle won't trip the traffic signal devices but then I'm a proponent of freedom and personal responsibility in general. Let's see how you feel when you are standing in a court room after you tag a motorcyclist with your station wagon after he rides through a red light. If you can't understand the difference between right on red and driving through a red light, well I don't know what to tell you. What station wagon? I don't own a station wagon and haven't for many years. |
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In all the years I rode motorcycles, I cannot recall one time that a light did not change for me. The only time I have had this problem is in a car. WTF? Are you kidding? It happens all the time. Unless youre talking about way back when lights were only timed and had no sensors. |
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In all the years I rode motorcycles, I cannot recall one time that a light did not change for me. I can think of several instances where the light didn't change when I was on 2 wheels. They should have included a liability assignment on the rider if it's done though. |
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In all the years I rode motorcycles, I cannot recall one time that a light did not change for me. I can think of several instances where the light didn't change when I was on 2 wheels. They should have included a liability assignment on the rider if it's done though. Has something changed with the sensors maybe? I sold my Harley in 2000, so it has been awhile. I just think this is a recipe for disaster and a law that will be grossly abused and totally unenforcable. I hope I'm wrong because I witnessed a very bad bike crash as a result of a police chase few years back, the rider and passenger were hamburger (I know I'm preaching to the converted, and a police chase isn't exactly the same, but you get it) |
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In all the years I rode motorcycles, I cannot recall one time that a light did not change for me. I can think of several instances where the light didn't change when I was on 2 wheels. They should have included a liability assignment on the rider if it's done though. Has something changed with the sensors maybe? I sold my Harley in 2000, so it has been awhile. I just think this is a recipe for disaster and a law that will be grossly abused and totally unenforcable. I hope I'm wrong because I witnessed a very bad bike crash as a result of a police chase few years back, the rider and passenger were hamburger (I know I'm preaching to the converted, and a police chase isn't exactly the same, but you get it) What am I not getting with you? You seem to be very libertarian most of the time, preaching the joys of Paul and limited government. Now a law is passed that gives a person more freedom to make their own decisions and and not be fined for stupid equipment that doesn't function right, and you go off on a tear about how it proves this state is going to hell. Seriously dude, pick a side. |