Posted: 5/26/2006 4:44:03 AM EDT
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Does anyone know if I can purchase firearms in Missouri? Do I have to have them transferred to my ffl dealer or can I purchase them and take them after the waiting period? Thanks, Mark |
You can only buy a long gun in a state that borders Illinois, or Illinois unless you have an FFL. or are a resident of another state for some part of the year. This is Illinois state law, not federal IIRC. Found it.... (430 ILCS 65/3a) (from Ch. 38, par. 83‑3a) Sec. 3a. (a) Any resident of Illinois who has obtained a firearm owner's identification card pursuant to this Act and who is not otherwise prohibited from obtaining, possessing or using a firearm may purchase or obtain a rifle or shotgun or ammunition for a rifle or shotgun in Iowa, Missouri, Indiana, Wisconsin or Kentucky. Pesky FOID act..... |
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Here is the Federal law. I am going to assume that a FFL in another state will not read the FOID act, rather this letter and sell you a gun. CONTIGUOUS STATE – PART 2 In an article that appeared in the December 2002 edition of the FFL Newsletter, we advised FFLs that the “contiguous state” provisions of the Gun Control Act were amended in 1986, and that the GCA allows dealers to sell or dispose of a long gun to a resident of another state provided, (1) the purchaser was not otherwise prohibited from receiving or possessing a firearm under the GCA, and ( 2) the sale, delivery and receipt fully comply with the legal conditions of sale in the buyer’s and seller’s States. The condition of sale relating to compliance with the applicable laws of both States cited above continues to cause confusion among dealers, particularly among those dealers who conduct business in a State whose laws presently contain language that allows “contiguous state” sales. Historically, prior to the 1986 amendments to the GCA, many States enacted provisions in their laws that allowed their residents to acquire a long gun in a contiguous State. For the most part, these State law provisions were modeled after the contiguous state provisions of the GCA. However, even though the GCA was amended in 1986 to allow the sale of long guns to residents of any State pursuant to the conditions cited above, many States have not yet amended their laws to reflect similar language. ATF takes the position that if the laws of a given State allow its residents to acquire a long gun in a contiguous State, those laws also allow its residents to acquire a long gun in any other State where the laws of that State permit such transactions, unless the language contained in that State’s law expressly prohibits it residents from acquiring a firearm outside that State. Questions regarding particular State law provisions should be referred to your local ATF office. 2004 Newsletter |
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ATF takes the position that if the laws of a given State allow its residents to acquire a long gun in a contiguous State, those laws also allow its residents to acquire a long gun in any other State where the laws of that State permit such transactions, unless the language contained in that State’s law expressly prohibits it residents from acquiring a firearm outside that State Since our law doesn't seem to say that you CANNOT buy a long gun in a state not mentioned here, there may be a loophole. |
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My one and only NICS denial was from doing this very thing. I live in Illinois, have a valid FOID and was having a rifle built in Missouri. (MCA Holden, MO) I traveled 6+ hours to go see the builder, test shoot and do the transaction. He does the NICS thing and I get a denial. I couldn't believe it. I called the 800 # on the NICS form, but they wouldn't tell me why I was denied. So I travel another 6+ hours back home empty handed. This was on a Saturday. My local dealer is closed on Mondays, so Tuesday I go see him and tell him this story. I filled out another 4473 and was approved. I called the builder in Missouri, he ships the rifle to my dealer and now it's in my safe. I have since called the NICS 800# and they still won't tell me why I was denied in Missouri. Strange, but true. |
ATF doesn't have the authority to enforce state law. I'm interested in how state law can be enforced outside of our borders, but the Attorney General has done it. If not, you wouldn't need to send your FOID out to get them to ship ammo to you. |
Some need it, some don't, there isn't much Illinois can do if they don't want to require it. I don't send my FOID to get companies to send me ammo. |
Can you tell me which ones, and when? I'm sure that there are some companies that will try ro comply with the Illinois law. There are some that wont sell to Illinois because it's a pain. Others, however, either don't know or don't care. Those are the ones I'll give my business to. |
AIM Surplus for one, as to when, I don't know, but I had to drive a LONG way to pick up my ammo as a result. |
Could be wrong, I don't believe they've been fined, more threatened with law suits. All the big name guys have been. Cabella's, Bass Pro, SG, Cheaper n Crap. The little guys haven't been threatened yet. Please don't post their business names here. Not too long ago, Midway shipped ammo to IL, they stopped recently, I think someone is watching these boards.  As they say... there is nothing private on the internet. Google "drobs" |
Yep. As far as I know, no action has been taken against anyone other than threats. If anyone can find proof that Illinois has successfully enforced this law outside of Illinois, I'd love to see it. I think Illinois knows that it's going to be difficult to enforce state law outside of it's borders, especially when no law federal law has been broken. They're gonna talk real big and threaten, but they're not actually going to do anything. All the more reason to get out of this state. How arrogant is it to pass a state law and expect the rest of the country to follow it? |
Isn't the state law written in such a way as to require you to provide a copy of your FOID to an out of state dealer? I find it funny that under the current state law, because my mailing address is my mom's house, and the same address is on my FOID, I cannot have ammo shipped to my apartment, however, I have a 03 FFL, and I can have a dozen rifles on my doorstep tomorrow if I want. |
Yes, that's exactly what the state law says, I'm not arguing that. However, what the fuck is Illinois going to do if a vendor from another state doesn't ask me for my foid before selling me ammo. He hasn't broken federal law, so the ATF won't care. He hasn't broken state law as far me having the ammo because I'm legal to own it here. All he did was break the STATE law that says he has to see my FOID. What's Illinois going to do about that? Nothing. What CAN Illinois do about that? Very little, except threaten and cry. Illinois would probably do away with C&R stuff if they could. I'd bet most in the state government don't even know about it. Can you imagine the uproar from Daley and Blago? "Deadly SKS assault rifles being delivered to Illinois residents by the dozens!" Imagining their reactions makes me smaile a little 
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