Posted: 1/10/2004 8:35:21 AM EDT
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Thought this might help before Armalighter and Tequilabob stick their feet any further in their mouths. Passed Nov. 23 1999 Ordinance No. 190061 Bans 56 "assault rifles" and 5 "assault pistols" I'm an FFL holder in DuPage county, and one of my customers is an attorney in the CCSA's office, and copied the ordinance for me. Of the banned weapons, possession by a Cook County resident is against the law.You have three choices in the matter. The choices are to PERMANENTLY make it non-functional, remove it from the county borders, or surrender it to the CC Sheriff for disposal. You can find the ordinance at: www.statesattorney.org/aweb/presrule.htm |
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I'm not sure what the first reference is to but reading that BS just made me cringe that I live in that sh!thole for 20+ years. Are there even any FFL holders left in Crook County? If so, how do they do any business selling firearms with a freakin' $50 fee tacked on plus all the BS paperwork and the $1000 license fee? That is just insane. Once again, it just proves my point regarding IL's need for a rock-solid firearms pre-emption law. This crap won't end until there's one passed. |
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MPLArms, I came across this post and I see that you mentioned my name, spelled Armalighter, but I guess that must be me, and you mentioned something about putting my foot in my mouth? You provide this link, www.statesattorney.org/aweb/presrule.htm, that doesn't show anything concerning what weapons I can or cannot own in Cook county. This link shows the rules and regulations dated 1999 that a FFL holder must obtain from his customer in order to sell the customer a firearm. So, since this was your first post, do you and your customer/attorney care to enlighten us with these 56 assault rifles and 5 assault pistols that we can't have in all of Cook county? Because it will be interesting since I have purchased, shoot, and live legally with all my firearms, including what are called semi-auto "assualt" weapons in Cook county for years now. I trust that you aren't speaking of fully-automatic weapons, correct? Because we already know those aren't allowed in this state unless you are a licensed dealer. I don't recall ever saying that private ownership of full-automatic weapons are legal in this state. And if you are talking about the couple of cities such as Chicago and Wilmette that have more extreme handguns law and gun shop laws, then that may apply to some people, but not everyone in Cook county. So please tell me what semi-auto guns of mine that I cannot own, that aren't already currently under Federal regulations, and must give up while I live in Cook county. That may be fun to read. |
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Guys, A couple years back a member of the grassroots group I belong to went in search of the "Cook County AWB" text. He discovered that it's nowhere on the web, and eventually went downtown to the County Bldg, where he located the full text and photocopied it. The copies were later scanned and made into pdfs. I have them at home and I'll email a copy to MPL and Armalighter if you wish. Send me your addy's to "[email protected]" and I'll send you the pdfs. From there you can post them as you please. The List does contain a laundry list of AW's which looks like it was copied directly from the Federal AWB. There's been some debate as to whether the list applies all AW's or to prebans only. To my knowledge, the Cook County AWB has never been enforced. Short of going door-to-door, there i no way to enforce it, unless a person is "caught" with a verbotten firearm during a traffic stop, etc. I own a couple post bans off the list of 56. All purchased from gunshops in Cook County. Some shops in DuPage or Will County (Megasports in Plainfield for example) won't let a Cook County resident event HANDLE an AW/EBR. Other realize the oridinence for what it is; an unenforcable "feel good" POS law. CKMorley |
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What this appears to be is that this "law" isn't really enforced, obviously, because it wouldn't take too much detective work to track down a purchaser of a "banned" weapon he bought from a FFL through valid background checks who states on his paperwork what city, state and county he lives in. It appears that you have these single local politicians, LEOs and even FFL holders that dig down deep looking for these laws that would be normally ignored and bring them forward bringing more anti-gun B.S. to the state than there should be. I have personally experienced total B.S. laws that were never laws in the first place from FFLs including not able to take a non-FOID card holder shooting even if I had a FOID card and legally owned the gun. Being told that I must have a FOID card to buy magazines and scopes. And my favorite, an FFL tells me I have to pay extra for a transfer if I transfered an AR15 because it is considered a "tactical rifle" and requires more paperwork. |
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Armaliter, I agree with you about FFL holders being ignorant of the law and sometimes going to extremes and being a little over zealous in abiding by it. Having said that, and being an FFL holder (not in IL thankfully) I can say that we are judged by a completely different set of rules than everyone else is. Additionally, the folks in LE that enforce those rules at the various levels are often equally ignorant of them. Add to that the fact that todays paper tiger is tomorrow's next "if it's on the books it's going to get enforced" tirade. I think you can see where I'm going. Lesson number 1 is know the law. Lesson number 2 is if you are going to break the law, know what laws you're breaking and the consequences for breaking them (not that I advocate doing that). Lesson number 3 is be prepared to feel the wrath of the powers that be if and when they choose to drop the other shoe on enforcing the laws you may or may not be breaking, regardless of how unjust they are. It's alot like speeding. Everybody knows that speed limits are set artificially low in almost all cases and that enforcement has more to do with revenue than anything else. Most people drive enough over the limit to usually not get hassled; others drive alot over the limit. At the end, it sucks and is unfair if we get dinged for doing 20 over in a 65 but that's why it's important to know what's what. I don't think the original post was intended as anything other than giving a "heads up" as to what's on paper in Crook county. People can say what they want about being "judged by 12 than carried by 6" but as one my best friends (who's an attorney) points out, "you never want to wind up in a court room if at all possible and if you do the first thing you want to do is find a way out...there's no justice in a courtroom". Me thinks that some of our more "over zealous" FFL holders who are exceeding the technical requirements of the law are just trying to avoid the court room. My .02 cents and it's about what it's worth. |
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As far as anyone not allowing a non-FOID holder to use a weapon at a range, he is only following the law. If you hold and use a weapon at a range, you are in "possession" of it. If you do not have a valid FOID at that time, both you and the range owner can be charged. Whether you shoot once in your life, or everyday, you have to have a valid FOID at that time. Don't blame the FFL because of your ignorance. He may just be saving your ass. Do you know who the other people at that range are? Kind of like the van with the tinted windows at EVERY gun show. Think twice before you put yourself or him in harms way. |
Show me, copy, link, where the rules of the FOID card and show me exactly where it defines that a "user" or person who is "holding" a firearm in Illinois is the same as an "owner" of a firearm. If everyone in Illinois had to have a FOID card to just possess, hold or shoot a firearm, then nobody could get shooting lessons unless they had a FOID card and kids couldn't go shoot at the range with a parent who have a FOID card. I suppose each Cub Scout and Boy Scout in IL. need a FOID card to shoot those .22 rifles at camp? You have made 2 posts so far on this board and all you have done is shown is that you want to define the gun laws in this state to be worse than they already are. You ATF or something? jeeez |
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Arm... Please remove your head from whatever orifice it is in.. And read this... Unless specifically exempted by statute, any Illinois resident who acquires or possesses firearm or firearm ammunition within the State must have in their possession a valid Firearm Owner's Identification (FOID) card issued in his or her name. Taken from...http://www.isp.state.il.us/foid/firearmsfaq.cfm Argue that ..... |
Read the Firearm Owners Identification Card Act.
You can't go to a range by yourself and shoot without a FOID card, but I can take a friend to the range and introduce them to the sport with out them having a foid card. I think in chicago most places just err on the side of caution. The list of exemptions is huge but applys mostly to nonresidents. |
wow... 3 posts and you are already speaking like the typical liberal ARFCOM poster.
Whoa! Look at those cool words, "Unless specifically exempted by statute" I feel so ashamed to have been one of the gun owners in the Chicago suburbs who end up at places who exempt that statute. Now excuse me while I clean up that orifice I supposedly have my head in and clean it of the freedom that I can get away with, 'cuz I wants to be just like you and scare every shooter who doesn't have a FOID card in his/her name or owns a scary AK rifle in Cook county. It is amazing that not all FFLs and cities in IL suck up to Daley and his agenda. Isn't it? Have a good day. |
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Like I said, don't expect people on either side to know just what the rules/laws are. Even the ATF only considers posession to mean when it's not under "direct control" of it's owner. If I have something registered under the National Firearms Act (like, oh, say an MG or suppressor, etc...) they sure as hell CAN shoot it while I'm in their presence but cannot take it out to a range by themselves. As long as you maintain an element of "physical control", i.e. presence in the immediate area, the isn't anyway you're going down on a possesion rap. And anybody that says so is just ill informed. |