Posted: 8/16/2010 6:45:29 PM EDT
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Just wondering if dealers can charge whatever they want for background check. I picked up a handgun today and was charged $30 for the background check. I din't pay attention at the tim, just gave my credit card and assumed that they were charging me the standard $25. |
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I guess they can charge you whatever they want, but most of us just charge what we have to pay. $25 is what we owe the state everytime we run one. Curious where you were at? Maybe they charge $5 to fill out the paperwork? Something sounds fishy to me though. +1 FISHY 
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Think the $25.00 fee and a few bucks more is out of line?
Try $80.00 per gun for an FFL Transfer! I had a student ship some guns here before he moved here from another state. He didn't want to travel with the guns cross country (motel stops in anti-gun states and such). The transfer was pre-arranged during one of the guy's trips here to Vegas, and the cost was $400.00++ to receive the five guns and do the transfers. I guess I'm in the wrong part of the business. ETA: The gun shop shall remain nameless. |
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i've seen the feed to recive guns vary greatly... from $20 for whatever fits on one 4473 up to much more than that including a "percentage of the value of the gun". bu
and i've heard of some class three dealers charging a healthy storage fee... per day for each tay your paperwork takes to go thru ATF. another class three dealer has fees based on the value of the machinegun being transferred. |
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Quoted: Hmmm, that's kind of what I thought...fishy. I've done several transfers at the store in question and it always cost me $50. This one cost me $60. Is it out of line for me to say the store name here? Thats your call, but wouldn't it only make sense before someone else gets overcharged? |
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Quoted: Think the $25.00 fee and a few bucks more is out of line? Try $80.00 per gun for an FFL Transfer! I had a student ship some guns here before he moved here from another state. He didn't want to travel with the guns cross country (motel stops in anti-gun states and such). The transfer was pre-arranged during one of the guy's trips here to Vegas, and the cost was $400.00++ to receive the five guns and do the transfers. I guess I'm in the wrong part of the business. ETA: The gun shop shall remain nameless. Not to hijack, but wouldn't this "transfer" fall under this: From the ATF Firearms FAQ (http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/unlicensed-persons.html#shipping-firearms-additional): Q: May a nonlicensee ship firearms interstate for his or her use in hunting or other lawful activity? Yes. A person may ship a firearm to himself or herself in care of another person in the State where he or she intends to hunt or engage in any other lawful activity. The package should be addressed to the owner. Persons other than the owner should not open the package and take possession of the firearm.
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Quoted: I am curious, did they in fact tell you the NICS was $30 or did they just raise their transfer fees? I just want to be informed for future purchases. I looked at the receipt when I got home and it was itemized $30 for the NICS, $30 for the transfer (which is also $5 higher than it used to be at the particular store). In the end it's only $10 extra, but squeezing customers for a few bucks of what is essentially pure profit (the transfer fee) and charging more than the already insidious NICS fee costs them to perform seems a little off to me. Joe |
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Hmmm, that's kind of what I thought...fishy.
I've done several transfers at the store in question and it always cost me $50. This one cost me $60. Is it out of line for me to say the store name here? Betcha someone here could guess! I'm guessing a store that everyone loves as they have not chimed in yet. |
| Personally, I don't get why the state needs to charge $25 for the check. It really only takes 5 minutes to run, unless the person has something, but then it's only a bit of research. There is a reason Metro doesn't charge for registration - the background check is easy peasy. |
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Quoted: Personally, I don't get why the state needs to charge $25 for the check. It really only takes 5 minutes to run, unless the person has something, but then it's only a bit of research. There is a reason Metro doesn't charge for registration - the background check is easy peasy. Most states don't, because most states don't get involved. The Feds would let us go staright online to do them if NV didn't get involved. |
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Personally, I don't get why the state needs to charge $25 for the check. It really only takes 5 minutes to run, unless the person has something, but then it's only a bit of research. There is a reason Metro doesn't charge for registration - the background check is easy peasy. Most states don't, because most states don't get involved. The Feds would let us go staright online to do them if NV didn't get involved. Exactly The check is free from the feds. Our state decided they wanted a piece of the pie and charge us for the free service. BULLSHIT |
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Quoted: J that would be awesome as we have been in pistol mode for most of the summer heat. F and I have been working my Sig and his H&K .45's, and that would be a nice third way to enjoy the caliber. Heading to the San Juan's for 27th Anniversary, see you then D Well hell, I'll load up a bunch of .45 this week and we'll have to get out next week sometime. I'd really like to give the new gun and the 1911's a workout. |
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Personally, I don't get why the state needs to charge $25 for the check. It really only takes 5 minutes to run, unless the person has something, but then it's only a bit of research. There is a reason Metro doesn't charge for registration - the background check is easy peasy. Most states don't, because most states don't get involved. The Feds would let us go staright online to do them if NV didn't get involved. Exactly The check is free from the feds. Our state decided they wanted a piece of the pie and charge us for the free service. BULLSHIT –––––––––––––––––––––––––––– The sad truth is that the NICS fee is now being misused to fund DPS salaries. Seems DPS is no longer funded from the state general fund, so that certain politicians can claim to have cut state cost. What they really did was to redirect the expense of funding DPS to retail gun buyers. Yet so many of them still work to reduce retail gun sales! I guess all we have to do to shut down DPS is cease buying any guns for couple of weeks? Woo Hoo, no new guns but we get our old "basic speed law" back? 
This is crap, the NICS check should be free, done via the Fed., open for longer hours and on more days. DPS should be funded via the state general fund, just like other LE and regulatory agencies. Ticket revenue should be specifically disallowed as a funding for any LE agency, else they WILL set up speed traps and other BS tickets to up their salaries. Great for them in the short term, very bad in the long run as the public will quickly lose any respect they still had for them. |
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Personally, I don't get why the state needs to charge $25 for the check. It really only takes 5 minutes to run, unless the person has something, but then it's only a bit of research. There is a reason Metro doesn't charge for registration - the background check is easy peasy. Most states don't, because most states don't get involved. The Feds would let us go staright online to do them if NV didn't get involved. Exactly The check is free from the feds. Our state decided they wanted a piece of the pie and charge us for the free service. BULLSHIT –––––––––––––––––––––––––––– The sad truth is that the NICS fee is now being misused to fund DPS salaries. Seems DPS is no longer funded from the state general fund, so that certain politicians can claim to have cut state cost. What they really did was to redirect the expense of funding DPS to retail gun buyers. Yet so many of them still work to reduce retail gun sales! I guess all we have to do to shut down DPS is cease buying any guns for couple of weeks? Woo Hoo, no new guns but we get our old "basic speed law" back?
This is crap, the NICS check should be free, done via the Fed., open for longer hours and on more days. DPS should be funded via the state general fund, just like other LE and regulatory agencies. Ticket revenue should be specifically disallowed as a funding for any LE agency, else they WILL set up speed traps and other BS tickets to up their salaries. Great for them in the short term, very bad in the long run as the public will quickly lose any respect they still had for them. It's a forced tax. Plain and simple. |
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Personally, I don't get why the state needs to charge $25 for the check. It really only takes 5 minutes to run, unless the person has something, but then it's only a bit of research. There is a reason Metro doesn't charge for registration - the background check is easy peasy. Most states don't, because most states don't get involved. The Feds would let us go staright online to do them if NV didn't get involved. Exactly The check is free from the feds. Our state decided they wanted a piece of the pie and charge us for the free service. BULLSHIT –––––––––––––––––––––––––––– The sad truth is that the NICS fee is now being misused to fund DPS salaries. Seems DPS is no longer funded from the state general fund, so that certain politicians can claim to have cut state cost. What they really did was to redirect the expense of funding DPS to retail gun buyers. Yet so many of them still work to reduce retail gun sales! I guess all we have to do to shut down DPS is cease buying any guns for couple of weeks? Woo Hoo, no new guns but we get our old "basic speed law" back?
This is crap, the NICS check should be free, done via the Fed., open for longer hours and on more days. DPS should be funded via the state general fund, just like other LE and regulatory agencies. Ticket revenue should be specifically disallowed as a funding for any LE agency, else they WILL set up speed traps and other BS tickets to up their salaries. Great for them in the short term, very bad in the long run as the public will quickly lose any respect they still had for them. It's a forced tax. Plain and simple. By their nature, aren't all taxes forced? |
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Personally, I don't get why the state needs to charge $25 for the check. It really only takes 5 minutes to run, unless the person has something, but then it's only a bit of research. There is a reason Metro doesn't charge for registration - the background check is easy peasy. Most states don't, because most states don't get involved. The Feds would let us go staright online to do them if NV didn't get involved. Exactly The check is free from the feds. Our state decided they wanted a piece of the pie and charge us for the free service. BULLSHIT –––––––––––––––––––––––––––– The sad truth is that the NICS fee is now being misused to fund DPS salaries. Seems DPS is no longer funded from the state general fund, so that certain politicians can claim to have cut state cost. What they really did was to redirect the expense of funding DPS to retail gun buyers. Yet so many of them still work to reduce retail gun sales! I guess all we have to do to shut down DPS is cease buying any guns for couple of weeks? Woo Hoo, no new guns but we get our old "basic speed law" back?
This is crap, the NICS check should be free, done via the Fed., open for longer hours and on more days. DPS should be funded via the state general fund, just like other LE and regulatory agencies. Ticket revenue should be specifically disallowed as a funding for any LE agency, else they WILL set up speed traps and other BS tickets to up their salaries. Great for them in the short term, very bad in the long run as the public will quickly lose any respect they still had for them. It's a forced tax. Plain and simple. By their nature, aren't all taxes forced? Yes they are. In the case of the NICS fee, it is free to them and charged to us. They don'y have to charge us, but they do. |
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Do NOT forget, Nevada Sheriff & Chiefs ASSociation has their fingers on this too!
They get to set our CCW standards as well. They ARE control freaks, they are NOT our allies for RKBA issues. They demand MORE data than the Fed., so that more shooters may be "Denied". I am certain this is part of why we have NV POS instead of the free Fed. NICS. Apparently at some level of management it is required that LEO's swear fealty to PC and Paranoia over the constitution they swore to uphold as rookies. (Rant off) |
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I looked at the receipt when I got home and it was itemized $30 for the NICS, $30 for the transfer (which is also $5 higher than it used to be at the particular store). In the end it's only $10 extra, but squeezing customers for a few bucks of what is essentially pure profit (the transfer fee) and charging more than the already insidious NICS fee costs them to perform seems a little off to me. Joe Pure profit? So your saying there is no time involved, payroll for personnel processing, overhead for the storefront where the transfer takes place? |
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I looked at the receipt when I got home and it was itemized $30 for the NICS, $30 for the transfer (which is also $5 higher than it used to be at the particular store). In the end it's only $10 extra, but squeezing customers for a few bucks of what is essentially pure profit (the transfer fee) and charging more than the already insidious NICS fee costs them to perform seems a little off to me. Joe Pure profit? So your saying there is no time involved, payroll for personnel processing, overhead for the storefront where the transfer takes place? GB is correct. A licensed FFL has to go through a lot of unseen hoops to do a transfer (or an on-site store sale for that matter). Once the Transferee is gone with his/her new toy, the dealer must keep records until they either go out of business, or die. And yes, that doesn't include GB's aforementioned matters related to the transfer/sale. Some dealers are very reasonable, and some charge way more than others. I guess it boils down to what the Transferee is willing to pay, and what the Dealer feels they must charge. It's the name of the game. If you want to play... do your homework. Just sayin'. |
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Quoted: Quoted: I looked at the receipt when I got home and it was itemized $30 for the NICS, $30 for the transfer (which is also $5 higher than it used to be at the particular store). In the end it's only $10 extra, but squeezing customers for a few bucks of what is essentially pure profit (the transfer fee) and charging more than the already insidious NICS fee costs them to perform seems a little off to me. Joe Pure profit? So your saying there is no time involved, payroll for personnel processing, overhead for the storefront where the transfer takes place? Let's be honest here. It takes approximately 5 minutes to do a transfer. Payroll, rent, overhead, record keeping, etc... are costs of having a retail gun store whether you are doing transfers or not. The only costs specifically attributable to transfers is the time is takes an employee to grab the gun, record the SN, check the paperwork, and make a phone call. Yes, I maintain that there is ESSENTIALLY no cost to it. I'm not arguing that stores should do it free, just that it is indeed almost pure profit. |
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I looked at the receipt when I got home and it was itemized $30 for the NICS, $30 for the transfer (which is also $5 higher than it used to be at the particular store). In the end it's only $10 extra, but squeezing customers for a few bucks of what is essentially pure profit (the transfer fee) and charging more than the already insidious NICS fee costs them to perform seems a little off to me. Joe Pure profit? So your saying there is no time involved, payroll for personnel processing, overhead for the storefront where the transfer takes place? Let's be honest here. It takes approximately 5 minutes to do a transfer. Payroll, rent, overhead, record keeping, etc... are costs of having a retail gun store whether you are doing transfers or not. The only costs specifically attributable to transfers is the time is takes an employee to grab the gun, record the SN, check the paperwork, and make a phone call. Yes, I maintain that there is ESSENTIALLY no cost to it. I'm not arguing that stores should do it free, just that it is indeed almost pure profit. Until there is a BATF trace, or stolen firearm, audit, etc. Dont forget we have to keep the records as long as the shop is open. It may not be rocket science but it can sometimes be far more than 5 minutes worth of paperwork |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I looked at the receipt when I got home and it was itemized $30 for the NICS, $30 for the transfer (which is also $5 higher than it used to be at the particular store). In the end it's only $10 extra, but squeezing customers for a few bucks of what is essentially pure profit (the transfer fee) and charging more than the already insidious NICS fee costs them to perform seems a little off to me. Joe Pure profit? So your saying there is no time involved, payroll for personnel processing, overhead for the storefront where the transfer takes place? Let's be honest here. It takes approximately 5 minutes to do a transfer. Payroll, rent, overhead, record keeping, etc... are costs of having a retail gun store whether you are doing transfers or not. The only costs specifically attributable to transfers is the time is takes an employee to grab the gun, record the SN, check the paperwork, and make a phone call. Yes, I maintain that there is ESSENTIALLY no cost to it. I'm not arguing that stores should do it free, just that it is indeed almost pure profit. Until there is a BATF trace, or stolen firearm, audit, etc. Dont forget we have to keep the records as long as the shop is open. It may not be rocket science but it can sometimes be far more than 5 minutes worth of paperwork I understand, but you're required to keep all of your records whether yo do transfers or not. The transfers add what a 1 inch notebook worth of paperwork per year? Additionally, how often do you face BATF traces, stolen firearms, audits, etc...? I get that there are some expenses, however, there are nearly no expenses that are unique for transfers. Almost every expense is one you incur in your normal course of business as a retail gun dealer whether or not you do transfers. Just to be clear, I understand that dealers do not have to do transfers, and I appreciate the dealers that do do them, and I have no problem paying a reasonable price for the service. My point is only that there is minimal unique cost associated with the service. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I looked at the receipt when I got home and it was itemized $30 for the NICS, $30 for the transfer (which is also $5 higher than it used to be at the particular store). In the end it's only $10 extra, but squeezing customers for a few bucks of what is essentially pure profit (the transfer fee) and charging more than the already insidious NICS fee costs them to perform seems a little off to me. Joe Pure profit? So your saying there is no time involved, payroll for personnel processing, overhead for the storefront where the transfer takes place? Let's be honest here. It takes approximately 5 minutes to do a transfer. Payroll, rent, overhead, record keeping, etc... are costs of having a retail gun store whether you are doing transfers or not. The only costs specifically attributable to transfers is the time is takes an employee to grab the gun, record the SN, check the paperwork, and make a phone call. Yes, I maintain that there is ESSENTIALLY no cost to it. I'm not arguing that stores should do it free, just that it is indeed almost pure profit. If you want to be honest, we'll be honest. It take a lot more than 5 minutes to do a transfer. And if these costs aren't "unique to transfers" like you said, I'm not sure what we're doing these things for. Accept package, open box, unpack gun, log it in. Ooooops can't log it in cause the guy that sent it from Kentucky didn't put an FFL or a copy of their license in with the gun. Find a phone number for the guy in Kentucky, call 4 times to get a hold of him, wait 3 days for him to figure out how to use a fax machine or scanner and send me the required info to log it in. Then log it in. (5 minutes just to log it in)...we're up to about 15-20 minutes already. Now....who de we call to tell their gun is here? This can go two ways....no info in the box, and the seller doesn't have it handy, so another 10 minutes of phone tag before we can find out who the gun goes to.......OR the guy who calls the shop everyday for 10 days asking if his gun is there....another 10 minutes if we go this route....either way, we're up to close to 30 minutes. Thats before the "pure profit transfer" you speak of even starts. Now we have to walk someone through filling out a 4473. that takes you to 35 min. Then the 5 minutes we spend to fill out the inside 2 pages we have to fill out. (40 min) then pay someone to sit on the phone with NV DPS on hold for 15 minutes before we can call it in. (55min) then if its a pistol you have another 5 minutes to fill out registration and blue card. So for an hour worth of work, I would call it anything but $20 of 'pure profit'.... OHHHH, did I mention overhead?? Thats right you did... it doesn't matter for transfers cause I pay that anyway with all the guns I'm not selling because people are transfering them in to save the sales tax. Got it! Sorry for the rant, but I don't want people thinking the $20/$25 we charge for transfer fees is just some BS number we make up to hand them a gun with no work involved. |
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I looked at the receipt when I got home and it was itemized $30 for the NICS, $30 for the transfer (which is also $5 higher than it used to be at the particular store). In the end it's only $10 extra, but squeezing customers for a few bucks of what is essentially pure profit (the transfer fee) and charging more than the already insidious NICS fee costs them to perform seems a little off to me. Joe Pure profit? So your saying there is no time involved, payroll for personnel processing, overhead for the storefront where the transfer takes place? Let's be honest here. It takes approximately 5 minutes to do a transfer. Payroll, rent, overhead, record keeping, etc... are costs of having a retail gun store whether you are doing transfers or not. The only costs specifically attributable to transfers is the time is takes an employee to grab the gun, record the SN, check the paperwork, and make a phone call. Yes, I maintain that there is ESSENTIALLY no cost to it. I'm not arguing that stores should do it free, just that it is indeed almost pure profit. If you want to be honest, we'll be honest. It take a lot more than 5 minutes to do a transfer. Accept package, open box, unpack gun, log it in. Ooooops can't log it in cause the guy that sent it from Kentucky didn't put an FFL or a copy of their license in with the gun. Find a phone number for the guy in Kentucky, call 4 times to get a hold of him, wait 3 days for him to figure out how to use a fax machine or scanner and send me the required info to log it in. Then log it in. (5 minutes just to log it in)...we're up to about 15-20 minutes already. Now....who de we call to tell their gun is here? This can go two ways....no info in the box, and the seller doesn't have it handy, so another 10 minutes of phone tag before we can find out who the gun goes to.......OR the guy who calls the shop everyday for 10 days asking if his gun is there....another 10 minutes if we go this route....either way, we're up to close to 30 minutes. Thats before the "pure profit transfer" you speak of even starts. Now we have to walk someone through filling out a 4473. that takes you to 35 min. Then the 5 minutes we spend to fill out the inside 2 pages we have to fill out. (40 min) then pay someone to sit on the phone with NV DPS on hold for 15 minutes before we can call it in. (55min) then if its a pistol you have another 5 minutes to fill out registration and blue card. So for an hour worth of work, I would call it anything but $20 of 'pure profit'.... OHHHH, did I mention overhead?? Thats right you did... it doesn't matter for transfers cause I pay that anyway with all the guns I'm not selling because people are transfering them in to save the sales tax. Got it! Sorry for the rant, but I don't want people thinking the $20/$25 we charge for transfer fees is just some BS number we make up to hand them a gun with no work involved. Guido....so what you are really saying is.... don't buy a gun from Kentucky ? 
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You wouldn't believe the shit we see coming in off gunbroker.....bbls sticking out of packages, guns wrapped in plastic bags without a box, no paperwork, can't read the labels, wrong phone numbers, etc, etc.... We do it as a service to our customers, not for the sport of it as much as it sounds so fun!
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I would believe it, I used to work for a large shipping company, I loaded trucks for a few years, one of my trucks went to, I think it was 400 Fremont Stewart. Barrel sticking out of a box from across the country, box barley tougher than a kleenex box, and from a dealer or another department, I always thought 
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