Posted: 12/28/2007 10:34:57 PM EDT
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I want to get a good AR but I hear it's cheaper to build it yourself. Since I can't purchase one outright, I figure if I buy a few parts here and there, it'll be easier and I will not accumulate debtheaperWhere can I purchase the parts cheap? What setup should I get? I'm looking to build a good rifle, not a cheap one that will not work? It'll just be awhile before I can use it. I've never owned a rifle before so any info would be great. |
| Building one yourself is much cheaper. Unfortunately it requires some investment in tools and, more importantly, time. Most lowers can be assembled with tools around the house. I do suggest roll pin punches however. The upper requires specialized tools such as an armorers wrench and vice blocks. Still it maybe cheaper to buy these tools, and own them, than to buy factory. Maybe if you ask nice, one of us who has the tools will let you borrow them. On what to build, your imagination, budget, and skys the limit. You decide that for yourself. I looked thorugh the pic threads to see what I wanted and then assembled one from what I saw and wanted. |
Maybe if you ask nice, one of us who has the tools will let you borrow them. On what to build, your imagination, budget, and skys the limit. You decide that for yourself. I looked thorugh the pic threads to see what I wanted and then assembled one from what I saw and wanted. What part of Nevada do you live in 
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Watch out for the little extra like shipping expenses if you go to a number of different sources for parts. A few parts from source A, a few from B, some from C, D, E, etc, and you wind up paying quite a bit in separate shipping charges. For a basic configuration, sometimes the cheapest way to put one together is to purchase assembled lowers and uppers separately. Then just mate them together and you are done. It's like a car, cheaper to buy it assembled than the pieces for it. Buying the lower separate from the upper reduces costs due to the excise tax being less overall since the value doesn't include the upper. |
| From my limited experience, if you hunt around, you can definitely build it cheaper than buying it whole. A decision to be made is whether you want to build from scratch or buy assembled parts and have more of a limited build. I've done both recently, and the cost really depends upon what parts you want, how much research you are willing to do to find the parts at the cheapest place, etc. |
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Just you remember, you get what you pay for. By cheap. buy twice cry twice. First you need to decide what your needs are with this AR-15? Home defense, duty gun, varmint rifle, plinker, etc then go from there. Get a quality lower with a LMT parts kit, and stock of your choice and you will be GTG. There a million uppers to choose from. Its hard to go wrong with a LMT upper for the price. |
This is the route I took for my first AR. DPMS lower from a local shop and then a Del-Ton rifle kit. I haven't had a single problem or complaint. If you don't want to invest money into the tools required to build your own upper this is what I would recommend. |
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They only problem with LMT and Colt is they don't build what I want for my next defense rifle. CMMG offers the rifle and options I want. You can go with them also. I haven't heard anything bad about their rifles. Building an AR isn't rocket science but there are substandard shit being peddled out there. Recently there have been issues with Stag and I've heard Model 1 lacks in QC also. If I were you I would just go ahead and budget $1k for a good AR. If you can get by for less then you have money for mags and ammo. I wouldn't worry about optics. |
Start with this lower: http://www.colemantyler.com/proddetail.php?prod=LRSTRIPPEDCTMEGA Start with this lower and as money allows match it with a Mega M4 type upper......you will be off to a very good start. Not sure how to make that address hot, maybe someone can help, or type it in the address line. Keep us posted.....these things are always fun to watch. NEVADASUN |
. I've never owned a rifle before so any info would be great.
I have built rifles over time and ultimately it can be a more expensive endeavor than buying one outright. However, I very seldomly have an extra 2k at one time to lay down for a new rifle built the way I want. The advantage to building one yourself is you can purchase the parts as you have the 'ching and get exactly what you want and build it YOUR way. Come in and see me at The Gun Store and we'll talk rifles. You can check out my stuff and I promise I won't try to sell you anything. I'll just tell you what has worked for me and why and you can take it for what it's worth. You can't go wrong with LMT stuff. I highly recommend one of their uppers. Upon taking one apart recently with Leon and Victor Novak, I learned alot about what to look for in a quality upper. You would be surprised at the small details that make an LMT work so well. |
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I built my first AR in 4 hours with no experiance. The last one i built took about 90 minutes or less. The upper was already assembled and headspaced. Total cost was about 600 and it will put 3 bullets through the same hole. Yes, it was benched. The cost of a kit will be very close to the cost of an upper unless you get really fancy. Kits run 480-550 depending, the lower reciever will cost about 100 or so. |
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Does that mean you have it set up for 3 rds burst? |
No, it just means it's accurate. It's consistent each time it's fired and the bullets have the same point of impact. It also requires the shooter to be consistent also. |
In my experience EVERY company has quality control issues, Colt, LMT, Porsche, Ferrari, Toyota, Mattel... I would buy a LMT over most other choices. They certainly have less issues than other manufacturers. Though all AR's look the same on the outside it is the stuff you don't see that separates the good ones from the herd. Has LMT had some issues? Yep. Their super wiz bang bolt is sort of a turd and I can't quite get myself to trust the 10.5" barrel thing. That being said I have friends that have both of those items and they work great. Before I throw any company under the bus I always consider the knowledge of the operator and their ability to truly decifer what the ACTUAL problem is. Statements like "SBR's suck and don't run!" make me ask one what type of ammo you are feeding it and who built it and so on....... Please don't take this as a plug for LMT. I have no loyalty to any brand just stuff that works. However, there are a few things that the guys at CRANE do the hot rod their rifles before the SEAL's get a chance to abuse them. I thought I knew a bit about what makes a good AR tick until I spoke with someone who has ties to CRANE. All things are not created equal and getting these items in the civvy world can be difficult. Enough on that.... Back to your initial question. There are quite a few good rifles on the market these days. If you choose to build yours over time LMT provides a great platform for which to do so. Noveske is offering lowers that are high quality and reasonably priced. Good luck! |
What lower is Noveske making? Is this a new addition? I have a LMT lower and a Noveske lower and the LMT is a better quality. I am speaking of lowers only, the Noveske uppers are gtg. |
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If you really want to build your own rifle start by getting some reading material that addresses the subject. An armorer's manual is a good start, most gun stores have them in stock. The build it yourself forum on this site is an excellent place to get info. As with most things try to read the directions first, after all it is a firearm with rifle pressure ammo. Brownells and Specialized Armory Warehouse and Bushmaster sell armorers tool sets for reasonable. I don't know if the parts kits are a good idea,find the right configuration that suits and buy those parts. There are a lot of folks here that can answer your questions. Good luck. |
Nothing new, just their forged lower. They offer them from time to time. I think I saw them for sale just recently on their website. Scot45's Noveske looked pretty good to me. I'm not really that picky I guess  .
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Minchia - once someone gets a Noveske they get so damn cynical of the rest. I was referring to a completed lower from LMT and I can't compare a finished lower from Noveske because I purchased a stripped one. I can tell you that the LPK that came in the LMT along with the whole fit and finish is IMHO better overall. If you want to have a look at it, to form your own opinion, be my guest. |
I was just bustin your balls  - Its never been real clear to me who NRW uses for its LPK's and I know that they have changed lower receiver manufactures in the past (for better QC). Do you have a complete Noveske rifle or did you build it? Was it the one I shot with the pig? |
I'm looking for one, I'll be glad to take it off your hands. It can me my Christmas gift since I didn't get one. |
Look up the National Firearms Act of 1934, The Gun Control Act of 1968, and The Gun Owners Protection Act of 1986. The NFA requires all select fire weapons to be registered with the BATFE and they stopped taking registrations in 1986 due to the GOPA. That makes all legally transferable automatic weapons 22 years old or older. Over time demand became much more that supply and prices skyrocketed. For a legally transferable M16 you are looking at spending $8,000-$16,000. There is also a $200 tax stamp that you must pay the government to get approval. If you have the money and can pass the background check to do it go right ahead once you move to a state that allows it. There is an NFA section here on Arfcom where you can read more about the process. Or if you like visit a Class 3 dealer and they can square you away on the process. They are called Class 3 because a Class 3 SOT license is required to sell them. |
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damn I didn't know that they were that expensive 8,000 to 13,000 grand. I can't afford it so the one you can build are they semi-auto or what. and guys this is not a trap. I'm new to this and have been reading alot in this forum but some thing I can't find the answer. |
You've been in CA too long.... way tooooo long. |
yeah since I was a kid, now 36 old |
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It really would be but I still see people bragging about getting them for that from time to time so I figured I would keep the starting figure low before someone stepped in with a "yeah well my buddy got one for $xxxx" |