Posted: 1/23/2015 7:11:42 PM EDT
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http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepolitics/walker-budget-to-bar-drug-users-from-getting-food-stamps-b99431090z1-289450411.html?page=1
Seems odd that the drug users are to get free counseling and job training, and the non-drug users kept on the .gov dole, no job training. |
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If this passes it will end up being a huge waste of money. IIRC, a few other states have similar bills, and have spent hundreds of thousands of dollars to catch but a few abusers.
http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2013/08/27/2532851/utah-spent-30000-catch-12-drug-users-welfare/ http://www.salon.com/2013/08/29/gop%E2%80%99s_inane_money_eating_sham_drug_tests_for_welfare_a_huge_failure/ |
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If this passes it will end up being a huge waste of money. IIRC, a few other states have similar bills, and have spent hundreds of thousands of dollars to catch but a few abusers. http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2013/08/27/2532851/utah-spent-30000-catch-12-drug-users-welfare/ http://www.salon.com/2013/08/29/gop%E2%80%99s_inane_money_eating_sham_drug_tests_for_welfare_a_huge_failure/ A 13er linking to a Soros funded "news" site, and Salon? 
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If this passes it will end up being a huge waste of money. IIRC, a few other states have similar bills, and have spent hundreds of thousands of dollars to catch but a few abusers. http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2013/08/27/2532851/utah-spent-30000-catch-12-drug-users-welfare/ http://www.salon.com/2013/08/29/gop%E2%80%99s_inane_money_eating_sham_drug_tests_for_welfare_a_huge_failure/ clearly you know nothing of the FSA culture if you think only "but a few" are substance abusers. |
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Quoted: A 13er linking to a Soros funded "news" site, and Salon? Quoted: Quoted: If this passes it will end up being a huge waste of money. IIRC, a few other states have similar bills, and have spent hundreds of thousands of dollars to catch but a few abusers. http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2013/08/27/2532851/utah-spent-30000-catch-12-drug-users-welfare/ http://www.salon.com/2013/08/29/gop%E2%80%99s_inane_money_eating_sham_drug_tests_for_welfare_a_huge_failure/ A 13er linking to a Soros funded "news" site, and Salon? |
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I'm a fan of the idea.
I don't think the results will be as "positive" as we would expect, not because the perception of substance abuse in the ranks of this group of individuals is rampant, but because the numbers will be skewed down somehow or folks will find a way to get around it. I also do think this will end up being a colossal waste of money. The only way for us to save money on this subject is to stop giving people free money. |
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If this passes it will end up being a huge waste of money. IIRC, a few other states have similar bills, and have spent hundreds of thousands of dollars to catch but a few abusers. http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2013/08/27/2532851/utah-spent-30000-catch-12-drug-users-welfare/ http://www.salon.com/2013/08/29/gop%E2%80%99s_inane_money_eating_sham_drug_tests_for_welfare_a_huge_failure/ Food stamps are just the tip of the iceberg for money wasted on social programs. I'm willing to pay a little extra for the drug tests. It's almost like we are saying "I'm on to your game". I just wish someone would look at the disability claims a little closer. Generations of men have become professional porch sitters collecting checks due to bum knees and drug habits. |
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This sounds like a great idea but what is going to happen when the mom of 5 tests positive? Are we really not going to give food to the 5 kids? Folks, this isn't a proposal to blanket the pool of welfare recipients with drug tests. This is a proposal to test certain individuals who receive food assistance or medical assistance. It sounds as if the testing would only be done upon entering an assistance program and then if the applicant tested positive the state would simply provide substance abuse aid. Not prohibit persons testing positive for illegal substances from receiving state aid... we could only hope for such a law 
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This sounds like a great idea but what is going to happen when the mom of 5 tests positive? Are we really not going to give food to the 5 kids? Are we doing those kids any favor by funding their 'mother's' continued addiction? When I am giving out my personal charity I scrutinize whether or not my contribution is having the effect I desire. If I were personally supporting them, and found the mother to be using the funds for drugs, I would withdraw my support instantly. Why should that state be more loose with my money than I am? Why would I employ them in that capacity? If I need a professional money-giver-awayer my wife is first in line. |
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A 13er linking to a Soros funded "news" site, and Salon? Quoted:
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If this passes it will end up being a huge waste of money. IIRC, a few other states have similar bills, and have spent hundreds of thousands of dollars to catch but a few abusers. http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2013/08/27/2532851/utah-spent-30000-catch-12-drug-users-welfare/ http://www.salon.com/2013/08/29/gop%E2%80%99s_inane_money_eating_sham_drug_tests_for_welfare_a_huge_failure/ A 13er linking to a Soros funded "news" site, and Salon? Some more links: http://www.vice.com/read/most-welfare-recipients-dont-use-drugs-so-why-do-states-keep-drug-testing-them-1229 http://m.ksl.com/index/story/sid/26559995 http://m.newsok.com/oklahomas-drug-screening-of-welfare-applicants-proves-costly/article/3877828 http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/mobile/56829731-68/applicants-cornia-drug-http.html.csp Forgive me for grabbing a few results off the first page of Google in my earlier post. I was trying to point out that this proposal is just throwing good money after bad, all the while expanding government. The best way to solve the welfare problem is strict reform, and aggressive prosecution of fraud. Some of you guys are wound a little tight. Relax, and stop worrying over things that you have no control over. 
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clearly you know nothing of the FSA culture if you think only "but a few" are substance abusers. Quoted:
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If this passes it will end up being a huge waste of money. IIRC, a few other states have similar bills, and have spent hundreds of thousands of dollars to catch but a few abusers. http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2013/08/27/2532851/utah-spent-30000-catch-12-drug-users-welfare/ http://www.salon.com/2013/08/29/gop%E2%80%99s_inane_money_eating_sham_drug_tests_for_welfare_a_huge_failure/ clearly you know nothing of the FSA culture if you think only "but a few" are substance abusers. The quote was "to catch but a few abusers." I was an EMT for several years so I am quite familiar with the narcotics use of certain demographics. I imagine that many will still find a way to game the system. |
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clearly you know nothing of the FSA culture if you think only "but a few" are substance abusers. Quoted:
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If this passes it will end up being a huge waste of money. IIRC, a few other states have similar bills, and have spent hundreds of thousands of dollars to catch but a few abusers. http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2013/08/27/2532851/utah-spent-30000-catch-12-drug-users-welfare/ http://www.salon.com/2013/08/29/gop%E2%80%99s_inane_money_eating_sham_drug_tests_for_welfare_a_huge_failure/ clearly you know nothing of the FSA culture if you think only "but a few" are substance abusers. The problem is that when "welfare reform" went through in the 1990's, both locally in WI under "W2" (Wisconsin Works) and federally, the FSA started the slow long-term shift to "disability", and ghetto clinic pill-mill docs pass out benzos, xanax etc. and all sorts of other abuse-able Rx medications for anxiety disorders, chronic pain, or whatever other bullshit malady they used to get the disability/SSI status in the first place. And we pay for them. The majority of narcotics the FSA gets come from Walmart, Target, and Walgreens. And the recipients of the Rx sedatives or opiates or amphetamines either just use them recreationaly, or sell them as an extra income stream. So most of the drugs the FSA is already taking are prescribed, the tests will of course detect them, and they'll be legal. ETA: I forgot to add, I think a fair amount of those in power in the .gov, law enforcement, the DEA, the FDA, and various bureaucracies and social agencies are well-aware of this, and aren't even opposed to it in principle. The theory being that it's better to keep as many of them medicated and passive as possible, lest they go all Ferguson. |
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This sounds like a great idea but what is going to happen when the mom of 5 tests positive? Are we really not going to give food to the 5 kids? Why should 5 kids be living with their drug addicted parent? Choosing drugs over feeding your children... well, that's child neglect. But then again, we taxpayers need to keep taking it on the chin "for the children." |