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8/18/2013 10:04:20 AM EDT
Now that I have had a night to sleep on it I think I lost a huge channel cat but when the adrenaline was going I was convinced it was a Musky.  Maybe 20-30 pounds.  I think that is because I wanted it to be a Musky and I have never caught one so hooking a huge one would be cool.  I was also cranked up because in 1+ hour I had caught 7 smallies between 3 and 4lbs, most closer to 4 than 3 and I was flat out on a roll.  I had also lost a smallish Musky and caught a couple 3-5lb Pike.

I was using what I call a redneck fly, a fluke rig with a double tail Yamamoto grub.  Basically heavy test line with a single hook, some bucktail and a small spinner, then jam  the plastic grub on the hook.  It is heavy enough to cast with some accuracy but light enough to float in and out of wood and work in shallow water.  It is not snagging as much as when I use a wire leader.

So I make one more cast in a spot that is really deep for the stretch I am fishing, 6-7 feet deep.  It was shady and slow moving water as well.  I cast out let it sink, reel in and bam, I am snagged big time on a log.  I work my way over to it, I am in a small 9' kayak. The log takes off.  This fish had just inhaled the lure while sitting on the bottom and then sat there.  It made multiple runs, burning up my drag, I only have 8 or 10lb test on that reel but no problem, the fluke rig is heavy.  The fish never really surfaced, never jumped and now after a few minutes of fighting in circles and up and down stream on 4 or 5 runs it is on a straight run up stream pulling me with it.  I thought about dropping my drag anchor but hell I am in control now, I will play this out. I am new to kayak fishing and have no experience with big fish in one.  I was so impressed by the strength of the fish I did a brain fart and forgot about a sunken tree top.  Typical Wisconsin, the wind hand changed direction and was also pushing me upstream.  Now suddenly I realize the fish is heading for the blown down.  The fish and I are on opposite sides of a log, wind continues to push me upstream and I am trying to play it and yup line snaps after about a minute of that shit in the tree.

There are big cats in this stretch of the river.  The fish just inhaled the bait while on bottom.  It never surfaced or even came close to making a jump which seems odd for only being in 6-7 feet.  I have never played a huge catfish but this one acted just like the smaller ones I have caught on light tackle, hug the bottom, run and pull like a monster.  Do Musky ever behave this way.

I also think if I hook a Musky in the kayak I am dropping anchor then at some point I am getting out of the kayak to deal with the fish.  I am not ready for what comes next with a big fish in a kayak.
8/18/2013 4:56:26 PM EDT
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Now that I have had a night to sleep on it I think I lost a huge channel cat but when the adrenaline was going I was convinced it was a Musky.  Maybe 20-30 pounds.  I think that is because I wanted it to be a Musky and I have never caught one so hooking a huge one would be cool.  I was also cranked up because in 1+ hour I had caught 7 smallies between 3 and 4lbs, most closer to 4 than 3 and I was flat out on a roll.  I had also lost a smallish Musky and caught a couple 3-5lb Pike.

I was using what I call a redneck fly, a fluke rig with a double tail Yamamoto grub.  Basically heavy test line with a single hook, some bucktail and a small spinner, then jam  the plastic grub on the hook.  It is heavy enough to cast with some accuracy but light enough to float in and out of wood and work in shallow water.  It is not snagging as much as when I use a wire leader.

So I make one more cast in a spot that is really deep for the stretch I am fishing, 6-7 feet deep.  It was shady and slow moving water as well.  I cast out let it sink, reel in and bam, I am snagged big time on a log.  I work my way over to it, I am in a small 9' kayak. The log takes off.  This fish had just inhaled the lure while sitting on the bottom and then sat there.  It made multiple runs, burning up my drag, I only have 8 or 10lb test on that reel but no problem, the fluke rig is heavy.  The fish never really surfaced, never jumped and now after a few minutes of fighting in circles and up and down stream on 4 or 5 runs it is on a straight run up stream pulling me with it.  I thought about dropping my drag anchor but hell I am in control now, I will play this out. I am new to kayak fishing and have no experience with big fish in one.  I was so impressed by the strength of the fish I did a brain fart and forgot about a sunken tree top.  Typical Wisconsin, the wind hand changed direction and was also pushing me upstream.  Now suddenly I realize the fish is heading for the blown down.  The fish and I are on opposite sides of a log, wind continues to push me upstream and I am trying to play it and yup line snaps after about a minute of that shit in the tree.

There are big cats in this stretch of the river.  The fish just inhaled the bait while on bottom.  It never surfaced or even came close to making a jump which seems odd for only being in 6-7 feet.  I have never played a huge catfish but this one acted just like the smaller ones I have caught on light tackle, hug the bottom, run and pull like a monster.  Do Musky ever behave this way.

I also think if I hook a Musky in the kayak I am dropping anchor then at some point I am getting out of the kayak to deal with the fish.  I am not ready for what comes next with a big fish in a kayak.
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Because it hit while you were reeling it back in, could be a Musky. But OTOH, a Musky will usually (not always) hit the surface at some poiint in a fight, cats won't.... unless you're in a real deep lake you should see the Musky. Too bad you didn't get a glimpse of a tail fin or something. You can judge the size of a Musky by the distance between tail & dorsal fin. The distance between the tip of the dorsal and tip of upper tail fin is approx 1/4 of total length of the fish. If that distance is about as long as your shoe, you got a monster fish! Northern pike have same fin size characteristics, but their tail fin is usually more rounded on the tips, while a Musky's is more pointed.
8/19/2013 5:18:01 AM EDT
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Thanks for the info on estimating the size.  I didn't even see a flash of color or anything and I was wearing polarized glasses.  Considering how strong channel cats are and the fish heading right for a snag I am convinced now it was not a Musky.

I am done with the small poles in this river for the rest of the year.  It is all about big fish now but of the few Musky I have seen they usually miss the damn lure.  That is one reason I decided to go to a slower moving plastic bait.  The spinner baits catch nice Smallies but the 3 or 4 follows I have had from Musky always end in a miss.  I am also not programmed to do figure 8's at the end of the cast, I just bring it in and the misses are usually close to the boat and I am not sure I want a Musky strike right by the kayak.  The one thing about kayak fishing that is different from canoes is when you boat that fish it tends to be right in your lap.  So I am using a net, wear cut off leather gloves and take my time because even a 2lb bass can put a hook right in your nuts.

8/19/2013 7:25:18 AM EDT
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The way you describe it, that was definitely a big cat.  That would have been a lot of fun to catch in a yak.   Just went salmon fishing this past weekend on Lake Michigan and caught a nice Salmon.  Thats the only problem with big fish and yaks, landing them!  I couldnt even imagine trying to land a big cat.  I guess I would just grab its by the lower lip and try to hold on!
8/20/2013 3:47:50 PM EDT
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I went and talked to the guys at Elk River Custom rods in Phillips to get some advice.  I don't want to drag out the heaviest tackle I own to fish 1-3' of water but I want a rematch.  I had bought a casting rod from them that was originally 6'6" and then repaired to 6'.  I paid $20 instead of $180!  I just put 14lb Fireline on a bait casting reel that is going on that rod for use with plastics.  Then I am taking along one of my bigger spinning rods that I will use for live bait under a bobber.

When I hooked that cat it was the first time in 40 years of fishing that I actually looked at the reel while fighting the fish and said to myself I am screwed.

These guys also do plenty of kayak and canoe fishing and said that I should get out of the kayak to handle a big musky or cat.