Posted: 8/13/2012 2:33:06 PM EDT
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So...to whom do I file the complain for not getting my absentee ballot? I filled out the required form, checked the box asking for all ballots for the remainder of the year to be sent, voted in the last election via absentee (right leaning), and woudln't you know it, they never sent me my ballot. And my polling place is posted No CCW (pole barn town hall, not a school or building otherwise off limits to CCW).
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Hovde's a carpetbagger, Neuman's a sleazeball, Fitzgerald likey won't win, (way behind in polls) and IMO, is the least likely to be able to compete with, and soundly thump, Baldwin in the general... and that is the most important for me. That leaves Tommy. It's been said that Tommy's "too old". Yeah, well... so am I, and us old farts stick together.  Besides... he's a shirt-tale relative, through marriage.
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Quoted: Hovde's a carpetbagger, Neuman's a sleazeball, Fitzgerald likey won't win, (way behind in polls) and IMO, is the least likely to be able to compete with, and soundly thump, Baldwin in the general... and that is the most important for me. That leaves Tommy. It's been said that Tommy's "too old". Yeah, well... so am I, and us old farts stick together. Besides... he's a shirt-tale relative, through marriage.Expand on this. I have been trying to do research on these people and haven't found anything to pull one ahead of another other than Thompsons winning record. |
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Hovde's a carpetbagger, Neuman's a sleazeball, Fitzgerald likey won't win, (way behind in polls) and IMO, is the least likely to be able to compete with, and soundly thump, Baldwin in the general... and that is the most important for me. That leaves Tommy. It's been said that Tommy's "too old". Yeah, well... so am I, and us old farts stick together. Besides... he's a shirt-tale relative, through marriage.Expand on this. I have been trying to do research on these people and haven't found anything to pull one ahead of another other than Thompsons winning record. My opinions, and worth what you're paying for them. 
Hovde has lived in D.C. for the past 20+ years. He's never even voted in WI, nor registered to, here. He moved back to WI solely to run for office. Just like Hillary Clinton moved to NY to run for Senate there. I thought it was wrong for her to do that, so I'm not a hypocrit and think it's wrong for Hovde also. Also, he donated to Jim Doyle's campaign... that's the real deal breaker for me, absolutely no excuses accepted. If a Doyle supporter's hair were on fire, I would not piss on his head to put the fire out, I'd let 'em burn.... I certainly would NOT vote for one.
Ask Flamethrower about Neuman. He's got a relative that worked for one of Neuman's previous campaigns. Fitzgerald has very little campaign cash, and is miles behind the other 3 in every poll. He also polls poorly against Baldwin. I like him and what he's done to back Walker, but he's kind of a wasted vote IMO. I want Baldwin to lose at all costs, and Tommy's got the best chance to beat her, IMO. He's got a good record, and the name recognition. He's like an icon of WI politics. Sure he's old... so are lots of voters, myself included.
I didn't make up my mind until yesterday, but I eliminated Hovde and Neuman weeks ago. My choice was between Tommy and Fitz. I was hoping Fitz could rally in some polls, but he's been going the other way. Therefore, I believe Fitz might not be able to beat Baldwin ... OTOH, I think Tommy will kick her butt soundly. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Hovde's a carpetbagger, Neuman's a sleazeball, Fitzgerald likey won't win, (way behind in polls) and IMO, is the least likely to be able to compete with, and soundly thump, Baldwin in the general... and that is the most important for me. That leaves Tommy. It's been said that Tommy's "too old". Yeah, well... so am I, and us old farts stick together. Besides... he's a shirt-tale relative, through marriage.Expand on this. I have been trying to do research on these people and haven't found anything to pull one ahead of another other than Thompsons winning record. My opinions, and worth what you're paying for them. Hovde has lived in D.C. for the past 20+ years. He's never even voted in WI, nor registered to, here. He moved back to WI solely to run for office. Just like Hillary Clinton moved to NY to run for Senate there. I thought it was wrong for her to do that, so I'm not a hypocrit and think it's wrong for Hovde also. Also, he donated to Jim Doyle's campaign... that's the real deal breaker for me, absolutely no excuses accepted. If a Doyle supporter's hair were on fire, I would not piss on his head to put the fire out, I'd let 'em burn.... I certainly would NOT vote for one. Ask Flamethrower about Neuman. He's got a relative that worked for one of Neuman's previous campaigns. Fitzgerald has very little campaign cash, and is miles behind the other 3 in every poll. He also polls poorly against Baldwin. I like him and what he's done to back Walker, but he's kind of a wasted vote IMO. I want Baldwin to lose at all costs, and Tommy's got the best chance to beat her, IMO. He's got a good record, and the name recognition. He's like an icon of WI politics. Sure he's old... so are lots of voters, myself included. I didn't make up my mind until yesterday, but I eliminated Hovde and Neuman weeks ago. My choice was between Tommy and Fitz. I was hoping Fitz could rally in some polls, but he's been going the other way. Therefore, I believe Fitz might not be able to beat Baldwin ... OTOH, I think Tommy will kick her butt soundly. When I checked Real Clear Politics polling, he was the only (R) candidate that was polling ahead of Baldwin. The others were all trailing her. We can't afford for her to have a 6 year senate term. It would be devastating. |
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Hovde. Anti-farm subsidy, private businessman. I can't stand Thompson. He strikes me as the type of guy who simply wants another government position because it suits his lifestyle. I doubt Hovde is perfect, but he's my choice out of these 4. I see Hovde signs in some of the same yards that had recall Walker signs |
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I've talked to quite a few people the last few days and I keep hearing "I like Fitzgerald the best but the polls say he doesn't have a chance". If they all voted for him the polls would be wrong.
Fk the polls. Fitzgerald stood up on the issues that are important to me, I'm standing with him. If he wins the primary, he'll have plenty of money to beat Baldwin. (BTW: Just returned from my morning walk with a .45 on my hip. Fitz helped make that possible.) FWIW Rich |
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Voted for Fitzgerald. He's the one with the most "skin in the game", went through hell the past year over Act 10, and has given up his seat in the WI Assembly to run. Hovde, skin in the game in the form of money... well I respect it, but he can always make more money. Against Baldwin, kind of a gamble. We'd have to count on post-recall momentum, and anti-Obama sentiment to carry him through.
Second choice: Hovde. Kind of a gamble, carpetbagger angle to it all, I agree, but hopefully he's "Ron Johnson II" in actual politics. Can money bomb against Baldwin. Third choice: Thompson. Mildly RINO'ish, kind of a "big conservative govt."-thinker like Gingrich. I also worry his "can hit the ground running in the Senate" would work against us as much as for us. RINO's in the Senate, and "moderate" Dem's that he's friendly with could pressure him to compromise. However, he does have a good record with School Choice/Vouchers, and kicking off Welfare reform. And he'd have lots of rural WI good will, and among the older voters, Reagan-Democrat union voters who wouldn't vote for Fitzgerald, and swing voters who remember him as Governor. Fourth choice: Neumann. Solid conservative, save for his sucking "green money" from the fed.gov teat. However, just too dishonest/dirty from his campaign style. All the lies about Walker during the Governor's primary, and now he's doing the same, but just deceitfully moved it to arms length, by having Club for Growth do his dirty work for him. Would really like to see him not win for that alone. However, would vote for him against Baldwin of course. |
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Any one except for Thompson for me. He was horrible as a Republican Gov, He is a wolf is sheeps cloths in my eyes. Yes, people seem to forget this. They also seem not to remember that he is not pro ccw either. The man is going to be almost 79 at the end of the term if he wins. For those saying he is the only one who can win against Baldwin is fooling themselves, and I say bullshit! I voted Hovde. Call him what you like. He knows how to manage money and build a business. We need someone who can help the economy, and not a geriatric guy who likes to shine a government seat with his ass as he spends our money on health care and ethanol mandates. Edit: missing words. Doh! |
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Hovde. Carpetbagger or not-at least he's from WI, not like Billary in NY. I like a private sector guy rather than a career politician. Granted, he was in DC for a long time, but he wasn't a pol. I liked Neumann when he was a Congressman but something seems to have changed with him since then. Tommy is just not suitable for this day and age. He's going to want to "work with the other side" if gets to DC just because he will be shocked at how vicious things have become since he was there last time. Plus. like someone else said, he seems to me to be running because it suits his lifestyle. Thanks Tommy, but not this time. Neumann seems to be kinda like the (R) version of Barrett. Fitz seems like he would be a good choice but he just isn't going to win this primary, so that kinda makes Hovde my default.
Any one of them will be better than Baldwin or Kohl. CM |
Hovde, I have nothing but respect for Fitzgerald but I think Hovde is the man for this job,especially after watching this.
No apologies,no bullshit,no pandering.Conservatives have been taking the kid gloves off and Americans are responding.I just hope it's not too late. |
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Hovde's a carpetbagger,..... Why is this automatically a bad thing? A good man has to be elected in order to make a difference in politics. I call that initiative if he moves to where the opportunity is. If more welfare recipients would be willing to relocate where the jobs are, there would be less individuals on welfare....
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Grothman carries a lot of fucking weight with me, so Hovde.
Fitz and Thompson are cat-wranglers, and I'd rather see NOTHING get done than "compromise*." Neuman wants to be a power broker. I got that when he ran against Walker, and I have no reason to change that asessment. Hovde has been a competent businessman, and has a good head on his shoulders. Even if he ends up just making a lot of noise and not getting anything accomplished, then fine, that's better than faux "progress." *This is called "selling out," "kicking the can down the road," or even "fuck the children, let's spend some of their nascent productivity." |
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Fitz put in the good fight for us. He helped give us everything we have today. Returning the favor. Yup, I agree. That's why I changed my mind today and voted for Fitzgerald about an hour ago. I don't think he has a chance of winning, but my conscience made the choice, not my rationality. Hovde seems to be the favorite here. Sorry, but he's not for me. There is just no way in hell I could ever vote for anybody who supported Jim Doyle, I'd rather stay home and not participate. If he's so conservative, why did he contribute to a sleazeball asshat far-left libtard like Doyle? Playing both sides? Probably... I can't trust a guy like that, it looks to me too much like he doesn't stand firm on any principles and is just looking out for himself. If he wins, I still can't vote for him against Baldwin, I'll write-in Fitzgerald. I will stand firm on my principles, and they say I cannot support anybody who supported the politicion I've despised the most, Diamond Jim Doyle. |
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Fitz put in the good fight for us. He helped give us everything we have today. Returning the favor. Yup, I agree. That's why I changed my mind today and voted for Fitzgerald about an hour ago. I don't think he has a chance of winning, but my conscience made the choice, not my rationality. Hovde seems to be the favorite here. Sorry, but he's not for me. There is just no way in hell I could ever vote for anybody who supported Jim Doyle, I'd rather stay home and not participate. If he's so conservative, why did he contribute to a sleazeball asshat far-left libtard like Doyle? Playing both sides? Probably... I can't trust a guy like that, it looks to me too much like he doesn't stand firm on any principles and is just looking out for himself. If he wins, I still can't vote for him against Baldwin, I'll write-in Fitzgerald. I will stand firm on my principles, and they say I cannot support anybody who supported the politicion I've despised the most, Diamond Jim Doyle. How did he exactly support Doyle? |
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Fitz put in the good fight for us. He helped give us everything we have today. Returning the favor. Yup, I agree. That's why I changed my mind today and voted for Fitzgerald about an hour ago. I don't think he has a chance of winning, but my conscience made the choice, not my rationality. Hovde seems to be the favorite here. Sorry, but he's not for me. There is just no way in hell I could ever vote for anybody who supported Jim Doyle, I'd rather stay home and not participate. If he's so conservative, why did he contribute to a sleazeball asshat far-left libtard like Doyle? Playing both sides? Probably... I can't trust a guy like that, it looks to me too much like he doesn't stand firm on any principles and is just looking out for himself. If he wins, I still can't vote for him against Baldwin, I'll write-in Fitzgerald. I will stand firm on my principles, and they say I cannot support anybody who supported the politicion I've despised the most, Diamond Jim Doyle. How did he exactly support Doyle? He donated to Doyle's campaign funds. $500 checks. In my book, that show's support. 
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Fitz put in the good fight for us. He helped give us everything we have today. Returning the favor. Yup, I agree. That's why I changed my mind today and voted for Fitzgerald about an hour ago. I don't think he has a chance of winning, but my conscience made the choice, not my rationality. Hovde seems to be the favorite here. Sorry, but he's not for me. There is just no way in hell I could ever vote for anybody who supported Jim Doyle, I'd rather stay home and not participate. If he's so conservative, why did he contribute to a sleazeball asshat far-left libtard like Doyle? Playing both sides? Probably... I can't trust a guy like that, it looks to me too much like he doesn't stand firm on any principles and is just looking out for himself. If he wins, I still can't vote for him against Baldwin, I'll write-in Fitzgerald. I will stand firm on my principles, and they say I cannot support anybody who supported the politicion I've despised the most, Diamond Jim Doyle. How did he exactly support Doyle? He donated to Doyle's campaign funds. $500 checks. In my book, that show's support.
It was my understanding that it was a single $500 check given when Doyal was strong arming the realty market in Madison. Not that he should have given in. In the same token I got the impression it was one of his lower level lackys that arbitrarily cut the check. Not denying it may have been construed as a donation, just not support in the proper sense. I am hoping you didn't just get this info from Tommy's really bad completly twisted radio adds, that made wild assumptions without using facts. |
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Voter #84. Submitted both a report of voter intimidation, and a election official complaint.  What happened? Nothing all that eventful. I had requested absentee ballots for the entire calendar year per GAB-121. I received one for the recall election, but not one for this election. As for the voter intimidation, my polling place is posted NO CCW. It is not a place prohibited by state law. Every single county office that was up for election, is currently held by a democrat (Clerk, DA, etc) . Isn't it somewhat intimidating, and/or "disenfranchising" to know that a certain political party is pushing it's own personal agenda at a polling place? I don't really expect anything to come of it, but it's worth making note of, no? It would be alot easier to approach the town/county directly if it were a mixed party. But it's not.....it's all democrats. Lots of "rural liberals" in these parts. ETA: Not trying to "play the victim"....but not sure what other avenues there are. In this neck of the woods, the cards are kinda stacked...as suprising as that may be. |
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Voter #84. Submitted both a report of voter intimidation, and a election official complaint. What happened? Nothing all that eventful. I had requested absentee ballots for the entire calendar year per GAB-121. I received one for the recall election, but not one for this election. As for the voter intimidation, my polling place is posted NO CCW. It is not a place prohibited by state law. Every single county office that was up for election, is currently held by a democrat (Clerk, DA, etc) . Isn't it somewhat intimidating, and/or "disenfranchising" to know that a certain political party is pushing it's own personal agenda at a polling place? I don't really expect anything to come of it, but it's worth making note of, no? It would be alot easier to approach the town/county directly if it were a mixed party. But it's not.....it's all democrats. Lots of "rural liberals" in these parts. ETA: Not trying to "play the victim"....but not sure what other avenues there are. In this neck of the woods, the cards are kinda stacked...as suprising as that may be. I agree sir. Thinking of you today I did look and there are no "no ccw/weapons" signs at our town hall. |
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I agree sir. Thinking of you today I did look and there are no "no ccw/weapons" signs at our town hall. You were thinking of me??? 
lol...gonna have to swing down to Mayville in a few weeks to pick up some stuff from my grandparent's place (going up for sale). I'll let you know as soon as I know, and if you're free, I can stop by to pick up those blanks. Maybe have a threading project for ya. |
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Hovde's a carpetbagger,..... Why is this automatically a bad thing? A good man has to be elected in order to make a difference in politics. I call that initiative if he moves to where the opportunity is. If more welfare recipients would be willing to relocate where the jobs are, there would be less individuals on welfare.... You're comparing being elected to represent a whole State full of people in a national government with welfare people moving to find work? Initiative? Wow. I usually agree with your posts and opinions, but not this time!! What position is he seeking? U.S. Senator from the State of Wisconsin. There are 100 Senators selected from 300 million U.S. citizens, 2 from each State. Kind of a "special" job, don't ya think? And what exactly does that job entail? Representing the people of WI... I'll say that again... the PEOPLE of Wisconsin ... in all things pertaining to how the federal government runs this country that we are a part of. He's not there for the good of the country, he's there for the good of the People of Wisconsin, nothing more, nothing less. That's how a representative type government is supposed to be run, and IMO, not sticking to that basic principle of representing the interests of the people who elected you, and NOBODY else's, is why we're so fucked up in D.C. right now. Now explain to me how someone who doesn't live here, but has lived 1,000 miles away for the past 20 years (where he was born is irrelevant) can represent my interests.  How does he know what the people of WI want or need in D.C. if he hasn't lived with us and know us? More importantly, how can we trust him if al;l we know about him is his slick TV commercials? Who here has ever heard of Eric Hovde before you saw him on a campaign commercial on TV? Just because he's a supposed conservative, smart, articulate, etc, you think he can represent us? Hell, Obama's smart and articulate. I've never met a con-man who wasn't.
That's why I believe being a "carpetbagger" is a bad thing. He may be the best man for the job of representing people he doesn't really know, and they don't know him. We might find out, might not. But I think we can find a "best man" amongst those of us who actually live here... someone who knows us, and we know him. |
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I agree sir. Thinking of you today I did look and there are no "no ccw/weapons" signs at our town hall. You were thinking of me???
lol...gonna have to swing down to Mayville in a few weeks to pick up some stuff from my grandparent's place (going up for sale). I'll let you know as soon as I know, and if you're free, I can stop by to pick up those blanks. Maybe have a threading project for ya. Cool let me know |
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Fitz put in the good fight for us. He helped give us everything we have today. Returning the favor. Yup, I agree. That's why I changed my mind today and voted for Fitzgerald about an hour ago. I don't think he has a chance of winning, but my conscience made the choice, not my rationality. Hovde seems to be the favorite here. Sorry, but he's not for me. There is just no way in hell I could ever vote for anybody who supported Jim Doyle, I'd rather stay home and not participate. If he's so conservative, why did he contribute to a sleazeball asshat far-left libtard like Doyle? Playing both sides? Probably... I can't trust a guy like that, it looks to me too much like he doesn't stand firm on any principles and is just looking out for himself. If he wins, I still can't vote for him against Baldwin, I'll write-in Fitzgerald. I will stand firm on my principles, and they say I cannot support anybody who supported the politicion I've despised the most, Diamond Jim Doyle. How did he exactly support Doyle? He donated to Doyle's campaign funds. $500 checks. In my book, that show's support.
It was my understanding that it was a single $500 check given when Doyal was strong arming the realty market in Madison. Not that he should have given in. In the same token I got the impression it was one of his lower level lackys that arbitrarily cut the check. Not denying it may have been construed as a donation, just not support in the proper sense. I am hoping you didn't just get this info from Tommy's really bad completly twisted radio adds, that made wild assumptions without using facts. If a lower level lackey can cut campaign donation checks without apporoval, what will he allow his senatorial aides to do if he gets elected? Do I want someone representing me who can be "strong-armed" by a shitbag like Doyle? Like Gary Sherman, John Steinbrink, & Terry Van Akeran were on the CCW veto votes? Don't think so. As for getting this from a campaign commercial, nope. I read it in my local newspaper, read it here, read it on another forum. Checked it out. He's on Doyle's donor list. The whys and wherefors how he donated to Doyle don't matter to me. I don't listen to local radio, I have Sirius in my work van, so I've not heard a single radio commercial from any candidate (that's why I listen to Sirius, to avoid that crap).. I don't watch much local TV neither (networks have nothing but "reality" show garbage anyway). I have Direct TV, and I watch mostly AMC, History, A&E, Discovery, NFL network, Military, and the 2 outdoor channels. I sometimes watch local news, if I'm looking for a particular story, about a local event (car accident, fire, etc) but if a political commercial comes on, I've got the fastest remote in the north ... and I'm gone to another channel. I've not seen a single campaign commercial by any candidate from beginning to end... I'm gone to any channel that doesn't have one on. After the recall "blitz", I'm fed up with (mostly negative) TV political adds.
Look, I'm not saying he's a bad guy... nor a good guy. Facts are, I have no fucking clue what kind of guy he is!!!  And that's my problem with him! All I know about him for sure is he's lived elsewhere for 20 years, and is listed as a campaign donor to Jim Doyle on the internet website's listing of donors. Given that's all I know about his politics and his principles, my vote's too important to me to trust him with it based on campaign adds & promises on TV talk shows... adds that I myself haven't seen much of because they're all just "mudslinging" crap and I refuse to watch them. Nobody ever talks about themselves, what they've accomplished, etc... it's all about how atrocius the other guy(s) is(are). Fuck that crap. Most of it's lies and/or distortions or misrepresentations of facts. They think we're all stupid, and the sad part is, some people (too damn many) are stupid enough to believe it all. It's helping to destroy this country.
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Looks like Thompson's running away with it. Meh.
At least he'll pull in enough elderly, middle, undecided, union, farm democrats etc. and knee-jerk name recognition voters that it's likely he'll stomp Baldwin. No matter which one wins, any of them turning WI into a two GOP senator state will be a MASSIVE kick in the nuts to the DNC with nationwide impact. Taking a BIG grain of salt with the nationwide polling, and the libtarded-MSM's ability to delude themselves, I think this fall may will be worse for them than 1994, 2000, or 2004... Just something for the hard-core "take my ball and go home" types to consider. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Voter #84. Submitted both a report of voter intimidation, and a election official complaint. Voter #474. And I am REALLY glad to see you got out to vote!!! You rock! And Flamer, I did not vote for Tommy. Gunner, you and Hawzwoody changed my mind. So after I left the Hovde (almost was a) Party, I stopped in at Tommy's a few minutes up the road, as he was in the middle of his victory speech... I had to grab something just for you and here it is, duct tape still attached and all. I'm sure it was present on numerous news segments. I will keep it safe for you. Maybe. At least until one of the kids uses that chair and crushes it. Or near the garbage. In all seriousness, all hands on deck for Tommy as we need him to win. Nose plugged or otherwise. I do admit Tommy throws a better party. In hindsight, I should have grabbed what was in front of the podium/sign. Tommy had the all the hot republican women present.   |
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rfb45colt, if someone who is not from Wisconsin doesn't understand the desires of the people of Wisconsin, is it your belief that the corallary is that people from Wisconsin do understand those desires, and if so, how do you explain liberalism in Wisconsin? If, say, Fred Thompson came up here tomorrow, you don't think he would be a great Senator for our state? How about any other state's conservative senator? Your logic is strained, to say the least. Or did you mean that "Tommy" will understand how to bring subsidies, government contracts, and other "free federal money" back to Wisconsin to feed his poll numbers just like Baldwin would, but with different target demographics? At least Hovde (or Fitzgerald, for that matter) wouldn't have been in a position to do shit like that for his first term, "Tommy" will have more pull in D.C. for a first-termer.
As far as "Tommy" goes; I might vote for Baldwin just as a "fuck you" to those who think eating a shit sandwich every few years is our sacred duty or some such nonsense. If there was ever a time Repbulicans DIDN'T need a "he's the best bet to win and get an (R) in the seat, regardless of his history, philosophy, and politics, and how much of a sellout wheeler-dealer he is," it's RFN. So congrats go out to the idiots who didn't put Fitz or Hovde in that seat. Pass the salt, and don't mind the sponginess. |
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rfb45colt, if someone who is not from Wisconsin doesn't understand the desires of the people of Wisconsin, is it your belief that the corallary is that people from Wisconsin do understand those desires, and if so, how do you explain liberalism in Wisconsin? If, say, Fred Thompson came up here tomorrow, you don't think he would be a great Senator for our state? How about any other state's conservative senator? Your logic is strained, to say the least. Or did you mean that "Tommy" will understand how to bring subsidies, government contracts, and other "free federal money" back to Wisconsin to feed his poll numbers just like Baldwin would, but with different target demographics? At least Hovde (or Fitzgerald, for that matter) wouldn't have been in a position to do shit like that for his first term, "Tommy" will have more pull in D.C. for a first-termer. If Fred Thompson came here to run for Senator, at least he'd have a record we could check out to see where he actually stood on issues by how he voted on them, not just his campaign rhetoric. It's not about getting "pork" for WI. I have nothing against someone "new" to politics running. Ron Johnson did so, and I heartily backed him. The differance was Ron Johnson lived HERE, worked HERE, owned a business HERE. Like I said, Hovde might be the perfect guy... but then again he might not. Actions speak louder than words. The only actions I've seen from Hovde was a donation to Doyle, and a move "back home" to run for office (* edit to add... it'll be interesting to see, now that he's lost, if he stays here or goes right back to D..C..). If Hovde wants to be our U.S. Senator, it's my belief he should first run for a local office in WI, like Assembly or State Senator, and I hope he does that. If he's "for real" we could use him. But first, he has to prove to me he is "for real". Then he'd have an official voting record on issues we could look at. Just my opinion, and it cannot be swayed. You may feel differantly, I respect that. Don't agree, but respect it nonetheless.
What I wouldn't respect is a "fuck you Tommy" vote for Baldwin. Cut off your nose to spite your face. If you don't like Tommy, don't vote for him. Either leave your ballot blank, or write-in for Hovde, or Fitz, or Flamethrower. That I'd respect.
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rfb45colt, if someone who is not from Wisconsin doesn't understand the desires of the people of Wisconsin, is it your belief that the corallary is that people from Wisconsin do understand those desires, and if so, how do you explain liberalism in Wisconsin? If, say, Fred Thompson came up here tomorrow, you don't think he would be a great Senator for our state? How about any other state's conservative senator? Your logic is strained, to say the least. Or did you mean that "Tommy" will understand how to bring subsidies, government contracts, and other "free federal money" back to Wisconsin to feed his poll numbers just like Baldwin would, but with different target demographics? At least Hovde (or Fitzgerald, for that matter) wouldn't have been in a position to do shit like that for his first term, "Tommy" will have more pull in D.C. for a first-termer. As far as "Tommy" goes; I might vote for Baldwin just as a "fuck you" to those who think eating a shit sandwich every few years is our sacred duty or some such nonsense. If there was ever a time Repbulicans DIDN'T need a "he's the best bet to win and get an (R) in the seat, regardless of his history, philosophy, and politics, and how much of a sellout wheeler-dealer he is," it's RFN. So congrats go out to the idiots who didn't put Fitz or Hovde in that seat. Pass the salt, and don't mind the sponginess. As someone who ultimately ended up voting for Hovde, I still take issue with what you posted. Voting for Baldwin would be cutting off the nose to spite the face. We can and SHOULD still hold TT's feet to the fire on issues of importance to us. |
I usually get two votes. I'll explain that... I'm not a Democrat with multiple identities (the rest of them being dead people) come election time. 
My wife has no interest whatsoever in politics. Her belief is "they're all crooks". But we both feel the same way on every issue of importance (probably why we've been together for 43 years, married for 40). She leaves all the research on who to vote for to me. She's very "pro-life", very pro-RKBA, and very conservative in her views. She always asks me who to vote for, ever since 92 when she voted for Clinton (and I had a shit-fit when I found out). In some elections, she actually carries a "cheat sheet" into the voting booth, when she can't just mark the space labeled "R".
Two days ago, she asked "who are we voting for tomorrow?" and I told her Tommy. I forgot to tell her I changed my mind and voted for Fitz. We didn't go to vote together, she went right from work, so did I. She voted for Tommy. This morning she said "we voted for the winner". I had no clue who won until she told me. She was up first this morning , and had the radio in the kitchen on and it was on the local news. I don't watch local TV, neither does she, so we didn't see it on the news last night. I'm not upset at all. I figured he'd win, and I still believe he'll stomp Baldwin, and that's the most important issue, to beat the Dem.
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Voter #84. Submitted both a report of voter intimidation, and a election official complaint. Voter #474. And I am REALLY glad to see you got out to vote!!! You rock!
And Flamer, I did not vote for Tommy. Gunner, you and Hawzwoody changed my mind.
So after I left the Hovde (almost was a) Party, I stopped in at Tommy's a few minutes up the road, as he was in the middle of his victory speech... I had to grab something just for you and here it is, duct tape still attached and all. I'm sure it was present on numerous news segments.
I will keep it safe for you. Maybe. At least until one of the kids uses that chair and crushes it. Or near the garbage. In all seriousness, all hands on deck for Tommy as we need him to win. Nose plugged or otherwise. I do admit Tommy throws a better party. In hindsight, I should have grabbed what was in front of the podium/sign. Tommy had the all the hot republican women present.
http://i46.tinypic.com/ieghp2.jpg Well, I voted the way I did for a reason. Did I think my vote meant a ton against Tommy? No. I figured Tommy would win it, and he did. am I sad he won? Nope. Not at all. Am I behind him 100% against the carpet muncher? Damn straight!
And yes, Hawz, Id love that sign!!! Put it with my Governors Citation with a pic of me and Tommy on it!!! 
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Voter #84. Submitted both a report of voter intimidation, and a election official complaint. Voter #474. And I am REALLY glad to see you got out to vote!!! You rock!
And Flamer, I did not vote for Tommy. Gunner, you and Hawzwoody changed my mind.
So after I left the Hovde (almost was a) Party, I stopped in at Tommy's a few minutes up the road, as he was in the middle of his victory speech... I had to grab something just for you and here it is, duct tape still attached and all. I'm sure it was present on numerous news segments.
I will keep it safe for you. Maybe. At least until one of the kids uses that chair and crushes it. Or near the garbage. In all seriousness, all hands on deck for Tommy as we need him to win. Nose plugged or otherwise. I do admit Tommy throws a better party. In hindsight, I should have grabbed what was in front of the podium/sign. Tommy had the all the hot republican women present.
http://i46.tinypic.com/ieghp2.jpg Are you the same guy who made a very funny-yet slightly controversial video a couple of yrs ago at a US Military base training future officers are you? |
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It's been said that Tommy opposed CCW in WI. Maybe that's true, but I don't recall him ever vetoing a CCW law, and if one was put on his desk, we'll never know what he would've done. When he was Guv, shall-issue states were a distinct minority, not the majority they are now.... times change. What's important now, as far as RKBA is concerned, if he's in the Senate and a nationwide reciprocity bill hits the floor, will he vote for it? I'm betting he would. I do recall him signing the range protection law and the pre-emption law (ya think Doyle would've signed those?).. and the State constitution's RKBA, Article 25, was enacted while he was Guv (was beyond his "official" control but he backed it). When Clinton bullied through the AWB in 1992, Tommy was Guv. Some states jumped on that bandwagon and tried to initiate their own AWB. Didn't happen here. I also know he stopped the migration of FIB welfare recipients across the state line.
Tommy and I share a common bond... we both hate Jim Doyle equally.
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Just to quote myself: I do admit Tommy throws a better party. In hindsight, I should have grabbed what was in front of the podium/sign. Tommy had the all the hot republican women present. Though I'm not so sure it would have worked out so well for me to bring her home to the theater seating.   |