Posted: 2/7/2012 7:11:31 PM EDT
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After carrying legally for a couple weeks now, I'm thinking that size does matter. My p-11 Kel-Tec weighs to much(22 0z.) fully loaded for carrying in my coat pocket and if I don't have a light pair of those black jersey gloves the p-11 sticks out like a sore thumb. The old are you happy to see me comes to mind.
I think that weight matters also, and my p-11 with 11 rounds of ammo is noticeable to me and you know it is there. Somekind of cross draw holster on a belt fanny pack would work well but for the most part everyone knows what you have in the pack. I'm leaning toward purchasing a Taurus TCP in 380 even though I don't care much for the .380. With one of the "bulldog type cellphone cases" the pistol at 12 ounces loaded and enough room to get my index finger in the trigger guard would be a good choice for my CC pistol. In other words for concealed carry, one has to carry, not leave it sit on the nightstand. The Ruger LC9 would be a candidate but I'm lefthanded and the manual safety unless left off would be a deterrent for me along with trigger guard finger room. Though the Taurus, Kel-Tec and the Ruger all have their share of bad reviews, I think that these brands could all be made one way or the other to be reliable CC guns. Again the emphasis is on being able to carry and using a lightweight pistol to make sure you have the pistol with you. Right now the only pistol I'm going to look into is the 11 0z. Titanium or 12 oz. standard Taurus TCP. YMMV |
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Good notes on size. Agreed. I've been carrying daily since the 7th of November. Here are the things I've noticed. My Glock 17 is bulky, and heavier on my hip. Prints more and is just large. I prefer to carry my 19. Bought a G26 about a month ago and after carrying the 17 and the 19 it isn't even noticeable on my hip at all. I find myself wondering if I'm even wearing it. I still change it up, depending on where I am going. Holsters matters. I now own over a dozen holsters. My favorites? Comp-Tac products shine above all others in my book. Once I picked out a decent holster MADE FOR my Glocks, it made all the difference in the world. I never "loosely" carry my pistols in a pocket. Too bulky, too much of a chance for an ND. The C-Tac or the M-Tac are great holsters. The M is thinner and sits on my phat body better. Muffin tops unite! M-Tac for the win. The C is better for re-holstering. IMHO. bottom line? A good holster WILL make all the difference in the world on how heavy a pistol you can comfortably carry, safely. YMMV.  |
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To add to a good holster, never forget the belt. Get a good belt. Currently Cabela's has a double layered leather belt for around $20.00 and that is what I am using to hold me over. I will probably get an Ares Ranger belt and a very good leather belt. It has been rumored that I carry a 1911 4" LW, about 12 oz lighter then a 5" steel 1911. I have used a Galco KingTuk, Crossbreed Supertuck and a Milt Sparks VMII. So far the CBST wins. |
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I think if you find a good iwb holster for the p11, you'll stop noticing it as much. I've been carrying a CZ75b compact in a Crossbreed Supertuck, and it really spreads the weight out nicely. I've started carrying a fs 1911 on occasion, too, in a Galco King Tuck and it's thinner than the CZ, so it is easier to wear, but the longer grip makes it harder to avoid printing. I had to give up on the good old Levi's belt and everything rides nicely on an Ares Ranger Belt.
I tested out the Glock 26 and just couldn't get used to it. I did like the S&W M&P 9c, so there's a chance I've finally found a compact I can live with and isn't all metal. I figure by year end I'll have at least $1000 into my ccw stuff, and that's what hurts the most. Everything I owned previously was good for the range or the woods, but not really for edc. |
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Hmmm.... Well, it has been a learning experience! I carry a full size 1911 in a Galco V-Hawk and, except for having to rearrange where everything goes on my belt, after a while, I don't really notice it. The drawback is that in its' present trim, it's not tuckable. So I wear it when I don't plan on taking off my jacket - or if I KNOW I'm in a gun friendly environment if I DO take off my jacket! The V-Hawk came with the tuckable plastic 'C' clips but they're designed for 1.25" belt. I bought the 1.5" clips, to fit my belt, but they are a REAL PITA. With those clips - as opposed to the basic leather wrap around straps - it's harder than hell to get the thing positioned 'just so'! Today, I went to get my haircut and, although the place isn't posted, it's all women stylists in the place and I don't know what kind of reaction they would have if I took my jacket off.  So I tried my XDm 3.8 Compact in a Galco KingTuk. That went very well and, once again, after a little while I didn't even notice it. HOWEVER!!!! There are 2 problems with this combination. The MAIN problem is my pants DEFINITELY need to be a size wider with this combo! First, I put my pants on (zipped, buttoned, and with belt cinched up) and got the holster positioned on the belt where I wanted it. Then I loosened everything up so I could put the gun in the holster and tuck my shirt in....    Worked up a sweat trying to get my pants buttoned up again! I had to pull the gun out, button everything up, put the gun back in, and tuck everything in. Second problem goes hand in hand with the first. I need a wife beater, or something similar, under my shirt to keep the leather backing off my skin. That will add some more material, making everything that much tighter. It wasn't bad today (27 degrees) but, in summer it wouldn't work 'cuz I sweat a LOT and it would stick....Just for general information purposes, those tuckable clips for the Galco holsters are VERY tight - at least on my belt. I have a Wilderness style belt (actually a Cabela's special) and the velcro layer is just thick enough that it makes it near impossible to reposition the holster, on the belt (and body), short of partially unclipping them. Yeah, I COULD turn the belt around, but I've been putting a belt on the same way for 30+ years now and it's hard to break old habits!  I'm looking forward to seeing what that new Springfield XD-S ( http://xdspistol.com ) looks like. Dimensionally, it's smaller than my 3.8 Compact, so it should conceal even easier!  |
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Are you carrying it in your pocket w/o a holster? If so, you are an accident waiting to happen, like that dingus cop who had a ND at the mall, cause he stuck his gun in his pocket or waistband w/o a holster.
Even with a pocket, a holster will help a LOT. Wear it on your hip, shoulder, ankle, you won't notice it as much, as it will be better supported and won't "pull" so much. |
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I carry a double stack 45 glock 30. Weighs roughly 35oz loaded. I usually forget its there. Its all about the holster/belt. Got a Crossbreed Supertuck and a Crossbreed gun belt. Its a great combo. I will admit with whats said above, I needed to go up a pants size in order to carry IWB. |
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I carry a double stack 45 glock 30. Weighs roughly 35oz loaded. I usually forget its there. Its all about the holster/belt. Got a Crossbreed Supertuck and a Crossbreed gun belt. Its a great combo. I will admit with whats said above, I needed to go up a pants size in order to carry IWB. I too carry a G30 + extra mag all day every day, no issues. I carry my G21 when i'm wearing some sort of over jacket....I don't know what that weighs loaded, but it's a lot. I don't have any problems carrying that for 10+ hours. Not trying to act like a bad-ass, lord knows i'm not, but i was surprised at how easy it was to conceal even a full sized pistol with a good belt/holster combo. Wilderness Instructor gun belt and a Theis IWB holster most times i forget it's there. I just can't understand how people can't carry what's already considered a pocket pistol... |
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Today, I went to get my haircut and, although the place isn't posted, it's all women stylists in the place and I don't know what kind of reaction they would have if I took my jacket off. |
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Quoted: To add to a good holster, never forget the belt. Get a good belt. Currently Cabela's has a double layered leather belt for around $20.00 and that is what I am using to hold me over. I will probably get an Ares Ranger belt and a very good leather belt. It has been rumored that I carry a 1911 4" LW, about 12 oz lighter then a 5" steel 1911. I have used a Galco KingTuk, Crossbreed Supertuck and a Milt Sparks VMII. So far the CBST wins. +1 on the belt. Got an Instructor Belt from Streichers, and one given to me. Heck, I think I've bought three belts in the last month. A well supported, stiff belt makes all the difference in the world. |
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What about a pf9 or kahr pm9? both are the same form factor as the lc9 but without the safety? The kahr pm9 or even their 380 is glock-reliable and respond great to the popular 25-cent trigger job I'll have to check out the Kahr, thanks for the reccomendation. The pf9 is a no go as my index finger will not fit between the trigger and the front part of the trigger guard. Right now my p-11 has a little more room and works ok for me but not real great. In spring when I crawl back into the dump truck again I'll have to get something that allows me to sit comfortably but still be hidden. I usually carry a leatherman and a cellphone holster so the Bulldog case would probably go unnoticed. |
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Are you carrying it in your pocket w/o a holster? If so, you are an accident waiting to happen, like that dingus cop who had a ND at the mall, cause he stuck his gun in his pocket or waistband w/o a holster. Even with a pocket, a holster will help a LOT. Wear it on your hip, shoulder, ankle, you won't notice it as much, as it will be better supported and won't "pull" so much. Yuup, trying to get away from pocket carry, The p-11 is the only pocket pistol I would consider doing so with though as the long hard trigger pull is enough of a "struggle" to get it to go off when you want it to. Of course this can lead to inaccuracy. Your point is well taken and I agree, I have to do something else. I'm considering a Desanti's ankle rig. Anyone tried one? |
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Are you carrying it in your pocket w/o a holster? If so, you are an accident waiting to happen, like that dingus cop who had a ND at the mall, cause he stuck his gun in his pocket or waistband w/o a holster. Even with a pocket, a holster will help a LOT. Wear it on your hip, shoulder, ankle, you won't notice it as much, as it will be better supported and won't "pull" so much. Yuup, trying to get away from pocket carry, The p-11 is the only pocket pistol I would consider doing so with though as the long hard trigger pull is enough of a "struggle" to get it to go off when you want it to. Of course this can lead to inaccuracy. Your point is well taken and I agree, I have to do something else. I'm considering a Desanti's ankle rig. Anyone tried one? MY opinion on ankle holsters (and worth every cent you paid for it) I personally don't like ankle holsters because it is very hard to draw while moving (say towards cover). If I am kneeling down in front of someone to get my primary gun out there are issues. Once again just my opinion. |
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If anyone can design a gun that shoots .45ACP, in a full size frame, that weighs like a J-frame airweight, that when shot will absorb all the recoil so that it would be like shooting .22lr, and will disappear under any dress - they'd be making ALOT of $$$.
But until then, I agree with all the above posters. The holster and belt combo makes a world of a difference in both concealability and comfort. The method of carry (IWB/OWB/ankle carry/etc.) will really depend more on personal preference and personal body characteristics. I've been CCW'ing for the last 5 or so years and what I've noticed is that I usually trade off being able to conceal a gun and comfort with firepower, both in terms of numbers of rounds and ammo selection. The more comfortable and better concealed a gun, the less rounds and smaller bullets. I've come to the conclusion that everyone just needs more time carrying whatever gun they prefer before they feel comfortable with it. It took me a while to feel comfortable carrying my full size 1911 and Glock 17. |
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I just got my license and have yet to carry. I have a Kahr CM9 with a molded PJ Holster with FBI cant, but I can't figure out the best way to wear it. At 3 o'clock, it's obvious - I'm simply wider on that side. At 5 o'clock, it somewhat prints while standing, but certainly prints while bending over. Appendix carry is the most concealable, but it's very uncomfortable to sit down. Any of these would be bad in the winter with a coat, but I'm not sure what to do in the summer time.
As for the Kahr CM9, I love it, but I wouldn't consider it Glock-reliable. I'm finally out of the break-in period, so we'll see, but during the first 300 rounds I had a lot of issues with the slide catching on the end of the guide rod causing it to fail to go into battery. Not very reassuring. |
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I just got my license and have yet to carry. I have a Kahr CM9 with a molded PJ Holster with FBI cant, but I can't figure out the best way to wear it. At 3 o'clock, it's obvious - I'm simply wider on that side. At 5 o'clock, it somewhat prints while standing, but certainly prints while bending over. Appendix carry is the most concealable, but it's very uncomfortable to sit down. Any of these would be bad in the winter with a coat, but I'm not sure what to do in the summer time. As for the Kahr CM9, I love it, but I wouldn't consider it Glock-reliable. I'm finally out of the break-in period, so we'll see, but during the first 300 rounds I had a lot of issues with the slide catching on the end of the guide rod causing it to fail to go into battery. Not very reassuring. Get wider Tshirts. But honestly, i can print like crazy...no one ever notices... Hell, one night at while league bowling i backed up into a woman accidentally and she grabbed my side...right on my gun. Didn't say a word...i don't even think she realized she touched it. I don't pay too much attention to printing. 1 it's not illegal, 2, 99.9% of people don't notice anyway, the .01% of people that do notice, are gun people and don't care. |
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It's not a game of hide-and-seek. Just because no one tells you they saw your gun doesn't mean they didn't. True...but if nothing happens whats the difference? I'd rather carry a capable weapon and have a very small percentage of people notice, than carry an anemic weapon with limited capacity and have no one ever know... JMO. |
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I just got my license and have yet to carry. I have a Kahr CM9 with a molded PJ Holster with FBI cant, but I can't figure out the best way to wear it. At 3 o'clock, it's obvious - I'm simply wider on that side. At 5 o'clock, it somewhat prints while standing, but certainly prints while bending over. Appendix carry is the most concealable, but it's very uncomfortable to sit down. Any of these would be bad in the winter with a coat, but I'm not sure what to do in the summer time. As for the Kahr CM9, I love it, but I wouldn't consider it Glock-reliable. I'm finally out of the break-in period, so we'll see, but during the first 300 rounds I had a lot of issues with the slide catching on the end of the guide rod causing it to fail to go into battery. Not very reassuring. I used to carry a CW9 with a holster similar to the PJ at the 5 oclock position and had the same concerns- while bending over. When I switched to a hybrid holster that had 2 clips, and a 30degree cant (such as the cleveland holster) it actually helped with that a bit. having the two clips kept tension on the gun a bit more and if i bent over enough the gun would follow the body more instead of hanging away. The additional cant also buried more of the gun under the belt line to rise the pivot point/lower the mass. I now carry around 4 oclock as well for maximum concealability & comfort. |
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I sold my Kel-Tec P11 when I bought a Kahr CM9. There was simply no comparison in the quality of the two. I've been carrying the CM9 everyday, all day, since I got my CHL on 12/10. I'm using a paddle holster that I made myself with kydex material I bought from knivekits.com. I've got about $8 invested in the holster, not including the paddle (which I took off an old Uncle Mikes I had at the bottom of my holster box). I'm left handed, and finding left handed holsters is a pain (especially for both Kel-Tecs & Kahrs) so I got into making my own.
The belt I wear everyday is about 3 yrs old, and it's (still) a very stiff 1-3/4" wide, western style, 2-ply leather gun belt that I bought from Sportsman Guide for about $30. It's actually designed to carry a full-sized single action revolver or 1911 in a field holster, and that's what I bought it for, along with a holster for a Ruger Blackhawk for open carry in the woods. It works fantastic as an everyday, hold-your-pants-up belt too. I've been wearing it every single day for 3+ years. http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/handcrafted-leather-holster.aspx?a=310915 I tried the "instructors" type belt that I borrowed from a friend (don't know the make), but gave up on it after just 2 days. I do not like the buckling system, and could not seem to get it tight enough. As for the Kahrs.... the CM9 will do everything a PM9 will do, for about $300 less. They even use the same magazines. I've seen CM9s for less than $400 NIB since I bought mine (I paid $425). It's 14oz w/ empty magazine, and I don't even notice the weight anymore. I carry it just behind my left hip, and carry work tools - Leatherman Supertool and a Coast LED Lenser flashlight, along with a key ring holder - on the right side... and I believe the weight is about equal. Since December when I got my CHL, I've been wearing untucked flannel or chamois work shirts under a M-65 field jacket, and the gun on my hip is invisible. When warm weather comes, I'll likely go with a Crossbreed type IWB (that I also made myself), under an untucked t-shirt or short sleeve work shirt. (I don't need to worry about any "dress code" ).
Before getting my WI CHL, I carried occasionally in MN on a MN CHL. I carried a G19 in a Crossbreed Supertuck, and I must say the Crossbreed Supertuck is a fantastic holster. But I just could not get used to an IWB holster with a gun as big as a G19. I tried it the other day, and it was OK... took about an hour before I forgot it was there. I also put on a few pounds since hunting seasons ended, and my pants are little too tight.  But it takes only about 30 seconds to forgot about the Kahr in the OWB holster.
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I just got my license and have yet to carry. I have a Kahr CM9 with a molded PJ Holster with FBI cant, but I can't figure out the best way to wear it. At 3 o'clock, it's obvious - I'm simply wider on that side. At 5 o'clock, it somewhat prints while standing, but certainly prints while bending over. Appendix carry is the most concealable, but it's very uncomfortable to sit down. Any of these would be bad in the winter with a coat, but I'm not sure what to do in the summer time. As for the Kahr CM9, I love it, but I wouldn't consider it Glock-reliable. I'm finally out of the break-in period, so we'll see, but during the first 300 rounds I had a lot of issues with the slide catching on the end of the guide rod causing it to fail to go into battery. Not very reassuring. Get wider Tshirts. But honestly, i can print like crazy...no one ever notices... Hell, one night at while league bowling i backed up into a woman accidentally and she grabbed my side...right on my gun. Didn't say a word...i don't even think she realized she touched it. I don't pay too much attention to printing. 1 it's not illegal, 2, 99.9% of people don't notice anyway, the .01% of people that do notice, are gun people and don't care.  No woman has ever touched my gun and not noticed it! I print, I carry a 4" XD40, but nobody has ever noticed.. and like you're saying I think anyone that would notice is probably one of us.
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If anyone can design a gun that shoots .45ACP, in a full size frame, that weighs like a J-frame airweight, that when shot will absorb all the recoil so that it would be like shooting .22lr, and will disappear under any dress - they'd be making ALOT of $$$. Kahr CW45 http://www.galleryofguns.com/genie/default.aspx?item=CW4543 Glock 36 http://www.galleryofguns.com/genie/default.aspx?item=36502-7 Both weigh about 20ozs (J-frame airweights are 15oz, but they're 5 shot .38s, not 7 shot .45s), and have big enough grip to get all your fingers on them like a full sized frame, and are easy to conceal. There will never be a .45 that recoils like a .22 without being as heavy as a brick... defies the laws of physics. 
Another .45 that fits is the Kahr PM45, at only 17ozs.... but at a MSRP of $855, it's too pricey for me. But when the CM45 comes out later this year, with a MSRP around $520, I'll be 1st in line at the local gun shop to get one. That's about as close as you'll ever get to the gun you described.
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I'm considering a Desanti's ankle rig. Anyone tried one? MY opinion on ankle holsters (and worth every cent you paid for it) I personally don't like ankle holsters because it is very hard to draw while moving (say towards cover). If I am kneeling down in front of someone to get my primary gun out there are issues. Once again just my opinion. I have a Bianchi that I tried once, and realized it's a no-go. I wear boots. lol....figured it might fit over, or on top, but nope. too bulky. So it sits on the pile of stuff. With shoes it would probably work well. |
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Quoted: They might say 'are you happy to see me or is that a gun in your pocket?' Don't discount women appreciating someone carrying. I do all the time and unless you know me, you'd never know. Quoted: Today, I went to get my haircut and, although the place isn't posted, it's all women stylists in the place and I don't know what kind of reaction they would have if I took my jacket off. Well it was something I pondered on for awhile - and asked my wife (who carries a Glock 26 AIWB) and we decided that discretion was called for here... Having said that, the LAST time I was there, I left the 1911 locked in the box, in the car, and nobody said anything about the holster - if they even noticed it.Over Thanksgiving we visited my Aunt and Uncle. I had the 1911 in the V-Hawk and took my jacket off. According to my wife, my aunt asked her "is that a gun? A REAL gun?" with eyes as big as saucers! My uncle, apparently, never noticed and nobody said anything to me. |
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CW45 is only $335 shipped right now too - having a hard time resisting. From? Jet Guns - http://www.slickguns.com/product/kahr-cw45-45-acp-364-stainless-polymer-frame-373-free-shipping Slickguns.com is the devil ETA: that price is the same for the CW9/40 as well |
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Today marks 3 Months of carrying with a permit for me. I have carried every single day. Some days it is only my LCP in my front pocket (in a holster of course) other days it is a G26 or 19 depending on my activitys for the day. That is all, carry on. Same here!!! Except it's always IWB and either a G21 or a G30 for me. |
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Interesting responses. I went from a Smith & Wesson M&P 9C to a full size 1911.... I found that the thinner profile of the 1911 made it easier to wear than the compact 9mm...... Interesting. That's the exact opposite of what I'm contemplating. The Galco King Tuck has worked well for my 1911, I just figure that come summer, it'll be harder to deal with. |
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Quoted: Quoted: My 3.5 inch 1911 has been very easy to conceal so far and comfortable with my Cleveland IWB. How do you like his holsters? I saw him and was thinking of having him make me one for my PF9, and a few mag carriers but I have yet to see a review. It's my first holster, so I do not have a lot to compare it to. But, it has been extremely comfortable. First day out with it and I forgot it was there half way through bowling. He does not locktite the clips because he makes a couple hole punches for you to adjust the holster to your fitting, but he told me if you loose something, let him know and he should be able to send you a spare screw. I went with the horse hide, and I like it a lot. In my opinion: I'd buy from him again. |
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Interesting responses. I went from a Smith & Wesson M&P 9C to a full size 1911.... I found that the thinner profile of the 1911 made it easier to wear than the compact 9mm...... To make the 1911 seem even slimmer, try some of the thin Aluma Grips. I put them on my Springfield Armory 1911 Ultra Compact, and the differance is very noticable. (you'll have to replace the grip bushings too). |
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My 3.5 inch 1911 has been very easy to conceal so far and comfortable with my Cleveland IWB. How do you like his holsters? I saw him and was thinking of having him make me one for my PF9, and a few mag carriers but I have yet to see a review. It's my first holster, so I do not have a lot to compare it to. But, it has been extremely comfortable. First day out with it and I forgot it was there half way through bowling. He does not locktite the clips because he makes a couple hole punches for you to adjust the holster to your fitting, but he told me if you loose something, let him know and he should be able to send you a spare screw. I went with the horse hide, and I like it a lot. In my opinion: I'd buy from him again. You can buy spare screws from Menards for 59 cents. I don't know if they're the exact same as used by Cleveland, but they are the same 2-part "male-female" aluminum belt clip screws used by Crossbreed. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: My 3.5 inch 1911 has been very easy to conceal so far and comfortable with my Cleveland IWB. How do you like his holsters? I saw him and was thinking of having him make me one for my PF9, and a few mag carriers but I have yet to see a review. It's my first holster, so I do not have a lot to compare it to. But, it has been extremely comfortable. First day out with it and I forgot it was there half way through bowling. He does not locktite the clips because he makes a couple hole punches for you to adjust the holster to your fitting, but he told me if you loose something, let him know and he should be able to send you a spare screw. I went with the horse hide, and I like it a lot. In my opinion: I'd buy from him again. You can buy spare screws from Menards for 59 cents. I don't know if they're the exact same as used by Cleveland, but they are the same 2-part "male-female" aluminum belt clip screws used by Crossbreed. They are close, but he offered to send a couple if I lost them, but he would first give me a verbal hand-slap and ask me where I put my locktite |
| 2nd nature to this guy now. I carry full size guns(Hk USP with 16 round expert mags, and Sig Sauer 2022) so I am not really concerned with printing or it being visible. Just remembering to take it off at work is becoming a chore, but like the fact that something is always available and ready. |
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While picking up my new lever gun today I checked out a Taurus TCP today at one of the gunshops in Oconto Falls and like the TCPpistol and the handy bulldog case that comes with it. No it is not a 45, but it is a carry pistol I think I can carry everyday. I like the roomy trigger guard and the lightweight of the whole device (pistol and bulldog case). I am going to do some more research online for some reviews and try to sift thru the reviews. I have a SR9 to sell and maybe another full size S&W 9 and then I'm contemplating getting a couple of these carry pistols for the family. Seems I shoot my fullsize less and less and my present carry pistol a Kel-Tec p11 more and more. That way I'll keep what I shoot all the time and open up some room in the safe
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Anyone have any experience carrying the M&P 9 compact? I was eying it up today at the store. Seems like a good size for carry. Shoot one before you buy one. They are good pistols, but, depending on how your hand is shaped, it MAY give you problems. I have fairly small hands, and don't have any issues shooting the gun, but, have one hell of a time getting the mag out because it catches the side of my hand. A friend of mine, has fairly large hands, and when he was shooting his, part of his weak hand would hit the mag release. He took a Dremel to the button and took care of that problem. |